Science, Creationism, or both?

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GagHalfrunt

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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: SirStev0
To be honest... if half the time spent on arguing which is better was put towards actual research... imagine the possibilities...

Hell we might be living on the moon...

To what benefit?

You can stay here. I'll take the "worthless" moon, thanks.

Don't let the stratosphere hit you in the ass on the way out.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee

Nevertheless an agnostic IS NOT an atheist.
Some are. I am an agnostic atheist. I do not believe that God exists, and I operate under the provisional assumption that no such God exists. Therefore, I am an atheist. I do not purport this provisional assumption to be a true and justified belief (i.e. knowledege), however, so I am also an agnostic. The two are not mutually exclusive.

You have defined the line that you have drawn and it is between atheists and theists.
Theism and atheism form a perfect dichotomy. You are either one or the other.

You are grouping those that have questions whith those that claim to know.
You need not claim to know anything about the question of God's existence in order to be an atheist. You would if you were a gnostic atheist, but not all atheists are gnostic atheists.

 

Cerpin Taxt

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
As far as science, there is nothing to believe....it's simply a process. Origin theory, on the other hand is still wide open.
What origin?

To hear scientists proposing that something came out of nothing as a plasubile explanation is actually pretty funny.
What is so funny about it? All they are proposing is that the universe didn't "come from" anything, or that it lacks an origin, in other words. Isn't that exactly what theists propose of their God?

You don't actually think that the cosmologists believe there was a period when nothing existed, do you? How does that even make sense?

It seems like you're only laughing at straw men.
 

YoungGun21

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I don't have to prove god doesn't exist.... logical thoughts and reasoning does that for me.

How come when people 2000 years ago talked to god they were cool, but nowadays anybody that talks to god is called insane? If somebody on the street walked up to one of you religious people and said he had had a wonderful conversation with god 2 days ago over a cup a tea, would you believe anything he told you that god had said to him? Heck no you wouldn't, so how is trusting people from 2000 years ago any different?
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: YoungGun21
I don't have to prove god doesn't exist.... logical thoughts and reasoning does that for me.

How come when people 2000 years ago talked to god they were cool, but nowadays anybody that talks to god is called insane? If somebody on the street walked up to one of you religious people and said he had had a wonderful conversation with god 2 days ago over a cup a tea, would you believe anything he told you that god had said to him? Heck no you wouldn't, so how is trusting people from 2000 years ago any different?

Not all religious people believe revelation ended with the death of the Apostles. That being said thought, I'm not just going to up and believe anyone who says they "sat down with God for tea". By their fruits you shall know them, and whether or not they have truly spoken with God.
 

3NF

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Originally posted by: YoungGun21
I don't have to prove god doesn't exist.... logical thoughts and reasoning does that for me.

How come when people 2000 years ago talked to god they were cool, but nowadays anybody that talks to god is called insane? If somebody on the street walked up to one of you religious people and said he had had a wonderful conversation with god 2 days ago over a cup a tea, would you believe anything he told you that god had said to him? Heck no you wouldn't, so how is trusting people from 2000 years ago any different?

Rael, the founder of Raeliansm, states that he and Jesus are brothers, and have the same father and is the last of the prophets before the Judgement. Do you believe him?

 

YoungGun21

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Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: YoungGun21
I don't have to prove god doesn't exist.... logical thoughts and reasoning does that for me.

How come when people 2000 years ago talked to god they were cool, but nowadays anybody that talks to god is called insane? If somebody on the street walked up to one of you religious people and said he had had a wonderful conversation with god 2 days ago over a cup a tea, would you believe anything he told you that god had said to him? Heck no you wouldn't, so how is trusting people from 2000 years ago any different?

Rael, the founder of Raeliansm, states that he and Jesus are brothers, and have the same father and is the last of the prophets before the Judgement. Do you believe him?

Umm...

Sure?

 

sao123

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
And to think, 60% of the American Population believe in Creationism, and 60% surveyed believed in Young Earth.

That's an absolute shame. It's funny how Americans wonder how Islamic countries can revert to religious extremism after being civilized for a few hundred years, and now the US is on the verge of doing the same thing.

ah yes... because believing in God turns everyone into Jihad Joes for Jesus...

way to generalize about all religous folk.
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