Schwarzenegger wants voters to decide suicide law.

[techs]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060124/us_nm/schwarzenegger_dc_1
Voters, not elected officials, should decide whether to make California the second state after Oregon to allow doctor-assisted suicide, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said on Tuesday.


I like the idea.
Certain social issues, perhaps, should be decided by plebiscite. Of course, the wording would be crucial.
I wonder what would happend if we did the same thing with abortion?

 

[Uhtrinity]

It seems that this, along with gay marriage, and abortion should be social matters, not constitutional ones (abortion got tied in with privacy). So why not.

 

[Meuge]

We wouldn't need to. We can save taxpayers the expense of an extra referendum and assume that the result would be roughly the same.

 

[Todd33]

I'm getting real tired of initiatives. Why do we elect representatives if we have to vote for everything directly?

"It's irrelevant what I think about this because I would never want to force my opinion on something like that," Schwarzenegger told the lunch where the carefully scripted Republican governor allows unusually expansive questioning.

LOL, WTF is his office for if not to lead?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
It seems that this, along with gay marriage, and abortion should be social matters, not constitutional ones (abortion got tied in with privacy). So why not.

QFT

 

[themusgrat]

Becuase we elect people for that. In any case, I am interested to see the results. Who knows, California is real wierd. Liberal as Cuba, but then again, they elected good ol Arnie. Just kidding. They just like to hear him talk, like me. :laugh:

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Todd33
I'm getting real tired of initiatives. Why do we elect representatives if we have to vote for everything directly?

"It's irrelevant what I think about this because I would never want to force my opinion on something like that," Schwarzenegger told the lunch where the carefully scripted Republican governor allows unusually expansive questioning.

LOL, WTF is his office for if not to lead?

Elected representatives, as shown in the past 100 years, are mostly corrupted crooks that sell votes to special interests.

Ahnuld is right.

 

[UptheMiddle]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: Todd33
I'm getting real tired of initiatives. Why do we elect representatives if we have to vote for everything directly?

"It's irrelevant what I think about this because I would never want to force my opinion on something like that," Schwarzenegger told the lunch where the carefully scripted Republican governor allows unusually expansive questioning.

LOL, WTF is his office for if not to lead?

Elected representatives, as shown in the past 100 years, are mostly corrupted crooks that sell votes to special interests.

Ahnuld is right.

Most definitely!! Politicians typically serve their own interests first. This global free trade crap should be put to vote (tariff), too.....as should our ridiculously complex tax system (flat, but high sales tax).

 

[kylebisme]

Mob rule isn't the answer. The majorty has no right to oppress he minority, and it is distrubing to see a governor even suggest such a thing.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Todd33
I'm getting real tired of initiatives. Why do we elect representatives if we have to vote for everything directly?

That was always my feeling when I lived in CA. It seems ridiculous to raise every issue for a public vote.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Todd33
I'm getting real tired of initiatives. Why do we elect representatives if we have to vote for everything directly?

That was always my feeling when I lived in CA. It seems ridiculous to raise every issue for a public vote.

It would not seem so if you knew the money behind the ballot inititives, arnold being one of the biggest figures who hasbeen putting them out for years. (I worked for him on a few over the years distributing ballot signing initives in colleges, streetcorners etc)

It's like a little mafia, Oregon is bad too. Totally shady.

pay by signature, I got out before he became governer, it was at the point where he was hiring roaming mobs of homeless kids to basiclly aggressively panhandle for sigs.

Next thing you know he was gov. overnight. he stinks.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Mob rule isn't the answer. The majorty has no right to oppress he minority, and it is distrubing to see a governor even suggest such a thing.

Why is that way of thinking such a surprise? Just look at the GOP peanut gallery here with it's "You didn't vote for Bush so you can just STFU" attitude.

 

[kylebisme]

It isn't a surprise, but disturbing all the same.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
It seems that this, along with gay marriage, and abortion should be social matters, not constitutional ones (abortion got tied in with privacy). So why not.

Wouldn't abortion end up back as a state's rights issue if RvW was overturned anyway/

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060124/us_nm/schwarzenegger_dc_1
Voters, not elected officials, should decide whether to make California the second state after Oregon to allow doctor-assisted suicide, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said on Tuesday.


I like the idea.
Certain social issues, perhaps, should be decided by plebiscite. Of course, the wording would be crucial.
I wonder what would happend if we did the same thing with abortion?

Abortion would be banned in a large handful of states. But the abortion industry isn't interested in letting the will of the people prevail.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Society should be allowed to determine the course of what it deems moral and ethical...it appears that in the cases of such controversial issues, Arnold is appealing to the will of the people...isn't this what our elected officials are supposed to do...you know...listen to their constituents.

If Arnold was a dyed in wool Republican, he would be taking his order directly from the religious right, and that would be final.

it was at the point where he was hiring roaming mobs of homeless kids to basiclly aggressively panhandle for sigs.

So you don't think that homeless kids are entitled to be a part of the political process...or is it only noble and just when Democrats do it, or disguise it under a little program called welfare.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Society should be allowed to determine the course of what it deems moral and ethical...it appears that in the cases of such controversial issues...

So you mean like if most of the town doesn't like a black family moving in they should be free to chace them out?

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
It seems that this, along with gay marriage, and abortion should be social matters, not constitutional ones (abortion got tied in with privacy). So why not.

QFT

this is what i'm thinking too. this is also only if the populace would actually turn out and vote.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: themusgrat
Becuase we elect people for that. In any case, I am interested to see the results. Who knows, California is real wierd. Liberal as Cuba, but then again, they elected good ol Arnie. Just kidding. They just like to hear him talk, like me. :laugh:

'Liberal as Cuba'?

Do you know what liberalism is?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
It seems that this, along with gay marriage, and abortion should be social matters, not constitutional ones (abortion got tied in with privacy). So why not.

QFT

this is what i'm thinking too. this is also only if the populace would actually turn out and vote.

The populace doesn't have the right to force it's social standards onto indviduals. That is a constitutional matter, one of certain unalienable rights.

 

[judasmachine]

well you and i prolly agree on this particular issue, but you have a huge point. one of the main themes of the constitution is to provide for rule by the majority but also to protect from a kind of tyranny of the majority.

 

[kylebisme]

Yep, majority rule is only noble when it is tempered by respect for minority rights.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Yep, majority rule is only noble when it is tempered by respect for minority rights.

Bingo! Schwarzenegger is retarded. He has no real governing principles. He just wants to be popular AND be re-elected.

The state and federal governments have stacks of laws exerting control over an individuals behavior. Arguably, that sux but there's at least some semblance of control over their behavior b/c they can be voted out of office and/or unConstitutional laws repealed . . . assuming the courts get out of the right wing's rectum.

What kind of check is placed on the idiocy and biases of the majority? Further, if a law has absolutely NO impact on them . . . why should they have a say at all? If you ain't planning to kill yourself . . . what's the problem?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Yep, majority rule is only noble when it is tempered by respect for minority rights.

What kind of check is placed on the idiocy and biases of the majority? Further, if a law has absolutely NO impact on them . . . why should they have a say at all? If you ain't planning to kill yourself . . . what's the problem?

The elderly don't pay taxes yet they still vote on how our tax dollars are spent.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060124/us_nm/schwarzenegger_dc_1
Voters, not elected officials, should decide whether to make California the second state after Oregon to allow doctor-assisted suicide, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said on Tuesday.


I like the idea.
Certain social issues, perhaps, should be decided by plebiscite. Of course, the wording would be crucial.
I wonder what would happend if we did the same thing with abortion?

Abortion would be banned in a large handful of states. But the abortion industry isn't interested in letting the will of the people prevail.

Except the will of the people is aborition should be legal..so it already does prevail.