Schwarzenegger tells motorcyclists to pipe down, signs noise bill

[Fenixgoon]

A guy I have class with smashed the gas in his Chevy today while leaving and set off a car alarm. I lol'd.

/slight OT

But honestly...who cares. I think they sound good somtimes. Maybe at certain times (late night) they shouldn't be so loud...but otherwise, dgaf.

i was behind one on my motorcycle. they're loud as fuck - and this was with earplugs in. i have no idea how those guys ride those things.

 

[Howard]

Come on....you can debate the merits of the bill in question without going off the deep end and bringing in irrelevant and just stupid arguments, can't you?

No, he's not a very smart guy from what I've read.

 

[WackyDan]

This is targeted mostly at Harley's with straight pipes. They are by far the loudest and most obnoxious offenders.

I have mixed feelings about the law. I enjoy using aftermarket pipes, because they look better and are lighter. They are also not much louder than stock if you run a baffle (which most pipe makers include)

Indeed. Even aftermarket pipes without the baffles are not too rude as long as you are not hitting the high revs.

I have an asshole neighbor with straight pipes on his Harley who feels he needs to run at high revs through the neighborhood. TOTAL F'ing asshole. Ironically, when he gets caught behind a car and putts on by it is not that bad... So nothing against loud pipes, but just against the assholes that have them and have to make sure you hear them all the time....

I'm a biker too by the way.

 

[halik]

Who needs over 300hp in a car? They should put a ban on that shit too. 250hp limit on all cars and 300 on trucks unless you can prove you need more for work purposes. I also recommend speed trap cameras on every major highway. No reason someone should be doing over the speed limit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy

In related news, I've had aftermarket exhaust on every sport bike I've ever owned and I never felt the need to take the baffles out. NOTHING LIKE SAYING LOOOOK AT MEEEEEE!!111!1 while you're riding around at 3K rpm

 

[exdeath]

I agree, in general my personal belief is we should be totally free to do pretty much anything that doesn't infringe on anyone else's safety or freedom.

With regards to motorcycles, I don't mind a nice sounding stock bike, but the ones that are ear-splittingly loud are a menace. The worst I ever heard was in front of a starbucks a few years back, I was on a lunch break with a friend and a guy hopped on what looked to be a pretty late model sportster 1200, and he wailed on the throttle and it literally shook the windows. Definitely *far* more than stock noise level. I had a ringing in my ears for the rest of the day along with a splitting headache. I really hate to tell others what to do, even less that the gov't should tell them what to do, but that's just excessive. Even a switchable exhaust setup would be preferable, something the rider could switch over to when he thinks it's appropriate, but not in the city where he can cause actual physical pain to bystanders. It's akin to someone playing a high power custom stereo at over 100 decidels, only it's on all_the_time. All of the riders I've ever known personally were far more responsible and courteous than to run that kind of setup, but the relative few that do kind of ruin the image for everyone else.

He's a dick for stomping on the throttle that close to people. My car is pretty damn loud (I set off a couple car alarms in a parking lot today just stabbing the throttle and pulsing the clutch to back it out of my spot hehe)

But I'm nearly stalling it at 15 mph in 2nd gear to keep the noise down if I come home very late at night.

All we really need is to allow cops to cite people for being dicks, then everybody else could have whatever they want and only the dicks would be singled out and punished 😀

 

[punjabiplaya]

This is like the fags who run HIDs without projector assemblies. Blinds everyone on the damn road, but the cops aren't going to do shit about it.

 

[exdeath]

Who needs over 300hp in a car? They should put a ban on that shit too. 250hp limit on all cars and 300 on trucks unless you can prove you need more for work purposes. I also recommend speed trap cameras on every major highway. No reason someone should be doing over the speed limit.

Go die in a fire communist.

Why do I have to prove anything to spend my own income? Why does it have to be work related?

Prove that your big screen TV and house is work related and necessary.

 

[Greenman]

It only affects bikes built after 2013, it will be years before this makes any difference.

 

[Kaervak]

Indeed. Even aftermarket pipes without the baffles are not too rude as long as you are not hitting the high revs.

I have an asshole neighbor with straight pipes on his Harley who feels he needs to run at high revs through the neighborhood. TOTAL F'ing asshole. Ironically, when he gets caught behind a car and putts on by it is not that bad... So nothing against loud pipes, but just against the assholes that have them and have to make sure you hear them all the time....

I'm a biker too by the way.

Yeah, loud pipes aren't bad when the rider isn't a dick. There's a harley guy a couple blocks over that every single goddamn time he goes up or down my hill he engine brakes as loud as he possibly can. So damn loud he rattles the windows in my house. Doesn't matter what time of day either, he's done it at 0700 just as I'm finally falling asleep after a night of hell in my squad. Such an asshole. There's another Harley guy across the street with a somewhat loud bike, but you'd never know it. Totally cool guy.

 

[JonathanYoung]

Try living in Downtown Oakland. Every weekend at the Mexican restaurant across the street from Oakland PD the bikes gather and play their music and rev their bikes without going anywhere. I never knew they made stereos for bikes, but boy do I know it now.

Hell, even the police bikes around here set off car alarms.

 

[phreaqe]

My apartment used to have windows that faced one of the streets and intersections in my town. I was never able to have my windows open if I wanted to watch tv or a movie because at the stop light every stupid motorcyclist had to gun it because they thought it was fun to make a lot of noise and go way to fast only to slam their brakes on for the next stop light 100 yards up. i hated it and would fully support this bill for that reason alone.

it was also very annoying at night when i was trying to sleep with the windows open and could hear them all night long. anyone who guns it from a light at 2 in the morning in a residential neighborhood on a bike like that should be shot.

 

[Turin39789]

:thumbsup:

 

[Zap]

So, does removing the baffles in the exhaust do anything useful besides make it louder?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I don't see the big issue here. All the bill does is allow CA police to enforce the Federal laws that already exist. It's already a Federal law that you cannot remove emissions control devices; I've yet to see anyone mention something in the CA bill (now law) that differs in any meaningful way from the Federal laws.

ZV

So Holder and company and all the liberals across the country will band together and say it's not the state's perogative to enforce already existing federal laws? (Arizona immigration bill)

 

[BoberFett]

So, does removing the baffles in the exhaust do anything useful besides make it louder?

Depending on how the pipes are designed and how the bike is tuned, you can get better exhaust flow. Lack of backpressure can just as easily hurt performance though too. In most cases straight pipes are probably just for sound. I personally like the sound.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

i was behind one on my motorcycle. They're loud as fuck - and this was with earplugs in. I have no idea how those guys ride those things.

what???

 

[JackBurton]

Thank god. I hate the motorcycles that drive by my apartment.

No shit! That is SOOOOO fucking annoying! You know what is funny? Those same obnoxious bike riders will bitch about someone playing their radio in their car too loud. WTF? IMO, BOTH are equally annoying, I just have more annoying bike riders in my area. Every day that I hear of a guy on a Harley (or chopper) having a fatal accident, it brings a smile to me face because that is one less asshole I have to listen to driving by with a RIDICULOUSLY loud bike. Same goes with morons with loud exhausts on their cars and obnoxiously loud stereos. I could purchase a VERY loud sub for my home theater, and crank the shit out of it (I mean ridiculously crank it up) and bother the hell out of the people living around me, but guess what, I respect other people's wishes of peace and quiet in their own homes, and also the noise ordinance in my area.

 

[Howard]

1Lack of backpressure can just as easily hurt performance though too.

Aw, jeez, not this shit again.

 

[Zenmervolt]

So Holder and company and all the liberals across the country will band together and say it's not the state's perogative to enforce already existing federal laws? (Arizona immigration bill)

This is drifting well off topic, but what the hell.

It's not an analogous situation.

The AZ bill empowers sheriffs to enforce Federal laws. The CA bill adopts substantially similar provisions to EPA regulations as state statutes. I can't see any court treating the two cases in the same way. Aside from that, the EPA regulations specifically allow states to create their own laws if they so desire.

Further discussing the AZ law, it's doubtful that the entire law will be struck down; there are actually rational portions in the text. What is likely is that the provisions for "determining residency status" and warrantless arrests will be stricken.

ZV

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

This is drifting well off topic, but what the hell.

It's not an analogous situation.

The AZ bill empowers sheriffs to enforce Federal laws. The CA bill adopts substantially similar provisions to EPA regulations as state statutes. I can't see any court treating the two cases in the same way. Aside from that, the EPA regulations specifically allow states to create their own laws if they so desire.

Further discussing the AZ law, it's doubtful that the entire law will be struck down; there are actually rational portions in the text. What is likely is that the provisions for "determining residency status" and warrantless arrests will be stricken.

ZV

This is Anandtech where every forum drifts off topic at some point 😀
The AZ bill doesn't empower local LEO to enforce Federal Laws, it empowers them to enforce State laws that mirror Federal law, just like the bill the Terminator signed. When it comes down to it. It's all about a pissing match over politics and keeping or registering more voters.

Back on topic. I glad. I hope it allows cops to shove a potato in the tail pipes of loud ass bikes.
What's worse is those bikes make a bunch of loud ass noise but they're still slower than a molasses covered turd in winter.

 

[punjabiplaya]

where's the bill for Honda civics and fart cans?

 

[Fenixgoon]

So Holder and company and all the liberals across the country will band together and say it's not the state's perogative to enforce already existing federal laws? (Arizona immigration bill)

that was my first thought when ZV said that

what???

louds pipes being annoying. i was behind a harley/chopper type that had super loud pipes while cruising - it was even louder during acceleration. it was loud to me (a nearby motorcycle rider) even though i had ear plugs in.

 

[alkemyst]

My car is loud. I upshift when cruising next to people and in neighborhoods.

Bikers pass within inches of pedestrians full bore along with through neighborhoods at 50-60mph.

That's the real part that is fucking these asshats. If they can't manage themselves, people will step up to confine them.

 

[Arkaign]

My car is loud. I upshift when cruising next to people and in neighborhoods.

Bikers pass within inches of pedestrians full bore along with through neighborhoods at 50-60mph.

That's the real part that is fucking these asshats. If they can't manage themselves, people will step up to confine them.

Thumbs up sir. Agreed.

 

[Zenmervolt]

This is Anandtech where every forum drifts off topic at some point 😀
The AZ bill doesn't empower local LEO to enforce Federal Laws, it empowers them to enforce State laws that mirror Federal law, just like the bill the Terminator signed. When it comes down to it. It's all about a pissing match over politics and keeping or registering more voters.

Fair enough. Though the EPA clean air regulations do explicitly allow states to enact and enforce their own standards, which should be more than enough for any court to distinguish the situations.

Back on topic. I glad. I hope it allows cops to shove a potato in the tail pipes of loud ass bikes.
What's worse is those bikes make a bunch of loud ass noise but they're still slower than a molasses covered turd in winter.

Hey now, I know my Harley's no speed demon, but a 4-second 0-60 isn't exactly molasses either. 😛

(OK, OK, compared to other motorcycles it might as well be dragging an anchor...)

ZV