Schwarzenegger says it's time to study legalizing pot

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Vic
You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe that wanting to repeal a failed, unnecessary, invasive, and expensive law is the same as supporting and/or partaking in illegal activity.

There's logical fallacies, and then there's just plain ol' dishonest dipshittery.

edit: the drug warriors and the gun grabbers are proof positive that govt-worshipping authoritarians can be either right or left, respectively.

Regardless of if you think being able to smoke it should be legal or not, do you think driving while high is a good thing?

It's probably no worse than driving drunk.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: ebaycj
Check the constituiton, state law does trump federal law.

Um, no. If both the state and the feds have authority to regulate an area of law, federal law almost always trumps state law.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I do find it interesting that Anandtech chooses to lock threads and potentially ban people who admit to piracy, dbut o absolutely nothing to people or threads which actively promote and admit to illegal drug use.

Thank you for proving you can be a total idiot on a wide range of subjects. =)

Well lets see, we have at least one user actively admitting drinking and driving and being high and driving. I hope he doesn't kill someone in my family. But if that makes me an idiot, I guess I'm guilty as charged. Hopefully if he does kill someone its someone else who thinks this is OK.

This is what ATPN has come to.. being against drinking and driving and being high while driving now makes you an idiot. Apparently Anandtech will choose to look the other way.

Again... Your an idiot, so much so that I now need to explain the obvious.

1st - read your post, then read mine.

Where did I say being against drinking and driving and being high while driving now makes you an idiot.

You are an idiot, because you seem to think its anandtech's job to intevene. You are upset that a website forum does "absolutely nothing to people or threads which actively promote and admit to illegal drug use"

What is it that you expect the forum to do? I may be too liberal for you, but how is any of that Anandtech's business?

 

[JACKDRUID]

MJ is actually healthier than smoking... at least its all natural.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I do find it interesting that Anandtech chooses to lock threads and potentially ban people who admit to piracy, but do absolutely nothing to people or threads which actively promote and admit to illegal drug use.

Thank you for proving you can be a total idiot on a wide range of subjects. =)

Well lets see, we have at least one user actively admitting drinking and driving and being high and driving. I hope he doesn't kill someone in my family. But if that makes me an idiot, I guess I'm guilty as charged. Hopefully if he does kill someone its someone else who thinks this is OK.

This is what ATPN has come to.. being against drinking and driving and being high while driving now makes you an idiot. Apparently Anandtech will choose to look the other way.

Unfortunately there have been a lot of harsh responses to you. I actually totally agree with you. There's a difference between Fear No Evil and some other trolls though. He's just pointing things out and not attacking people and trying to derail the thread. But I think it's pretty obvious that with certain things that are more "accepted" such as pot and downloading music, AT will look the other way. It's just like the discussion about radar guns. The primary purpose of those is none other than to evade police and half the people are on there talking about speeding at 90+. Uh yeah. I personally find it a bit disturbing that we have different standards for enforcement with such things.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I do find it interesting that Anandtech chooses to lock threads and potentially ban people who admit to piracy, but do absolutely nothing to people or threads which actively promote and admit to illegal drug use.

Thank you for proving you can be a total idiot on a wide range of subjects. =)

Well lets see, we have at least one user actively admitting drinking and driving and being high and driving. I hope he doesn't kill someone in my family. But if that makes me an idiot, I guess I'm guilty as charged. Hopefully if he does kill someone its someone else who thinks this is OK.

This is what ATPN has come to.. being against drinking and driving and being high while driving now makes you an idiot. Apparently Anandtech will choose to look the other way.

Unfortunately there have been a lot of harsh responses to you. I actually totally agree with you. There's a difference between Fear No Evil and some other trolls though. He's just pointing things out and not attacking people and trying to derail the thread. But I think it's pretty obvious that with certain things that are more "accepted" such as pot and downloading music, AT will look the other way. It's just like the discussion about radar guns. The primary purpose of those is none other than to evade police and half the people are on there talking about speeding at 90+. Uh yeah. I personally find it a bit disturbing that we have different standards for enforcement with such things.

Even without knowing their internal deliberations I think I can hazard a guess as to why AT behaves the way it does. Facilitating digital piracy can get you sued into oblivion, Napster style. If AT allows people to trade information on how to pirate things, they open themselves up to legal liability, so they don't allow people to talk about it on here.

It would be extremely hard to make a case for AT facilitating drug use or making people drive drunk because they talk about it, and so it's not an issue. This is totally a case of 'cover your ass'.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Vic
You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe that wanting to repeal a failed, unnecessary, invasive, and expensive law is the same as supporting and/or partaking in illegal activity.

There's logical fallacies, and then there's just plain ol' dishonest dipshittery.

edit: the drug warriors and the gun grabbers are proof positive that govt-worshipping authoritarians can be either right or left, respectively.

Regardless of if you think being able to smoke it should be legal or not, do you think driving while high is a good thing?

Er, is drinking and driving legal?

 

[James Bond]

Originally posted by: Overgloc
Tax what? Any Pot head or Idiot know how to grow their own Weed, What is there to TAX?

1. Plant Weed
2. Dry Weed
3. Smoke Weed
4. profit!

Oh yeah! Just like how almost everyone I know rolls their own cigarett-- oh, wait.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Some of you guys really need to grow up and realize there is more to life than smoking weed. I don't think it really should be criminal, but honestly I don't think it helps society much either. Go read a book or something.

Yeah, and theres more to life than blabbering on some forum, so whats your point? Just because I want it legalized doesnt mean I want to be high 24/7.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

why are people fixated on looking for reasons to legalize?

id really like to see a single compelling reason for it to have been made illegal in the first place!

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
The other argument that it's a gateway drug is bullshit too. People with addictive personalities that need the crutch of a heavier drug will get there with or without pot.

Uh hu. I guess you know better than all of the social workers who deal with this every day. Why bother spending millions of dollars on ACTUAL RESEARCH when we could have just talked to you?! Holy crap! What other magical powers do you have?

Basing your opinion off of the anecdotal evidence given by social workers sounds like a terribly flawed way to make a decision. Why would you base your conclusion off the X percent of marijuana users who encounter enough trouble in their lives to visit a social worker and ignore the Y percent of marijuana users who never set foot inside a social worker's office? Talk about coming to the conclusion you want to reach.

And basing an oppinion off of the anecdotal evidence of people who already use it is better? It's funny how when it comes to pot, science goes out the window. We need to ignore all of the research done on the subject because you and your buddies toked up and never moved on to harder drugs. Hey! It's cold out today so global warming must be a hoax! I eat junk food all day long and I'm not obese so there must be no connection between junk food and obesity!

Study after study has shown the link. 100% of the people who smoke don't turn to harder drugs, but a significant number do. The link exists.

What science? Reefer Madness?

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Some of you guys really need to grow up and realize there is more to life than smoking weed. I don't think it really should be criminal, but honestly I don't think it helps society much either. Go read a book or something.

And maybe you need to realize this is about the principle more than it's about pot. For the record, I've never smoked pot and have no real desire to do so, but I'm favor of legalizing it because outlawing it is a failed social policy, clearly. More importantly though, I hate the idea of the gov't telling me what to do for no reason other than "it's not good for you!". I live a pretty strict life (comparatively speaking), and I have all sorts of great ideas for making society 'better' - for example, let's ban all fried foods (too much fat!), alcohol (I rarely drink; I'll never miss it!), and elevators (unless you're handicapped or going up more than 10 flights, stop being lazy and take the stairs!). Do you really want people like me telling you how to live your life?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Vic
You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe that wanting to repeal a failed, unnecessary, invasive, and expensive law is the same as supporting and/or partaking in illegal activity.

There's logical fallacies, and then there's just plain ol' dishonest dipshittery.

edit: the drug warriors and the gun grabbers are proof positive that govt-worshipping authoritarians can be either right or left, respectively.

Regardless of if you think being able to smoke it should be legal or not, do you think driving while high is a good thing?

Which has what to do with legalization exactly? There are millions of activities that should be avoided while driving. Do you need a law for each one or aren't current laws against impaired driving sufficient? If that's your argument then there are a lot of things that should be illegal. Like everything.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Study after study has shown the link. 100% of the people who smoke don't turn to harder drugs, but a significant number do. The link exists.

Alcohol is probably more of a gateway drug than marijuana.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Some of you guys really need to grow up and realize there is more to life than smoking weed. I don't think it really should be criminal, but honestly I don't think it helps society much either. Go read a book or something.

And maybe you need to realize this is about the principle more than it's about pot. For the record, I've never smoked pot and have no real desire to do so, but I'm favor of legalizing it because outlawing it is a failed social policy, clearly. More importantly though, I hate the idea of the gov't telling me what to do for no reason other than "it's not good for you!". I live a pretty strict life (comparatively speaking), and I have all sorts of great ideas for making society 'better' - for example, let's ban all fried foods (too much fat!), alcohol (I rarely drink; I'll never miss it!), and elevators (unless you're handicapped or going up more than 10 flights, stop being lazy and take the stairs!). Do you really want people like me telling you how to live your life?

There is more to life than smoking pot, but after working 60+ hours a week, nothing says awesome like a fat blunt (most certainly not my copy of Watchmen)

Of course, pot + music + watchmen (the book, mind you) = awesome.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Ns1

There is more to life than smoking pot, but after working 60+ hours a week, nothing says awesome like a fat blunt (most certainly not my copy of Watchmen)

Of course, pot + music + watchmen (the book, mind you) = awesome.

That's what's great about this country (or used to be great) - you can live your life your way, and I can live my life my way, and as long as we're not harming each other, it's all good.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Mursilis
That's what's great about this country (or used to be great) - you can live your life your way, and I can live my life my way, and as long as we're not harming each other, it's all good.

Mursilis for elite :thumbsup: :laugh:

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I do find it interesting that Anandtech chooses to lock threads and potentially ban people who admit to piracy, but do absolutely nothing to people or threads which actively promote and admit to illegal drug use.

This is going to blow your mind but while piracy is illegal, using illegal drugs (and promoting illegal drug use) are not.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Ns1

There is more to life than smoking pot, but after working 60+ hours a week, nothing says awesome like a fat blunt (most certainly not my copy of Watchmen)

Of course, pot + music + watchmen (the book, mind you) = awesome.

That's what's great about this country (or used to be great) - you can live your life your way, and I can live my life my way, and as long as we're not harming each other, it's all good.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Vic
You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe that wanting to repeal a failed, unnecessary, invasive, and expensive law is the same as supporting and/or partaking in illegal activity.

There's logical fallacies, and then there's just plain ol' dishonest dipshittery.

edit: the drug warriors and the gun grabbers are proof positive that govt-worshipping authoritarians can be either right or left, respectively.

Regardless of if you think being able to smoke it should be legal or not, do you think driving while high is a good thing?

It's probably no worse than driving drunk.

Some studies have shown stoned drivers were safer than sober drivers. They're stoned, they're driving slower.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
MJ is actually healthier than smoking... at least its all natural.

In a study of marijuana use and lung cancer, researchers found that not only did marijuana not cause lung cancer, it may have a protective effect. Tobacco smokers may be better off smoking some pot too- for their health.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Vic
You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe that wanting to repeal a failed, unnecessary, invasive, and expensive law is the same as supporting and/or partaking in illegal activity.

There's logical fallacies, and then there's just plain ol' dishonest dipshittery.

edit: the drug warriors and the gun grabbers are proof positive that govt-worshipping authoritarians can be either right or left, respectively.

Regardless of if you think being able to smoke it should be legal or not, do you think driving while high is a good thing?

It's probably no worse than driving drunk.

Actually, it's MUCH *less* worse than driving drunk. Alcohol impairs judgment, marijuana does not. Drunks think they drive better while drunk. Potheads OTOH know they don't. There have been countless studies on this, included highly regarded ones by the US DOT in the 80s and the British govt just a few years ago.

Regardless, FNE is using one of the stupidest arguments in the drug warriors' agenda, implying that legalization will somehow repeal the DUI laws as well. And he already pulled the absolute stupidest one in this very thread, when he implied that everyone in favor of repealing the marijuana prohibition must be a pothead. As though no rational person would or should be interested in repealing a failed, expensive, and invasive big govt law.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I do find it interesting that Anandtech chooses to lock threads and potentially ban people who admit to piracy, but do absolutely nothing to people or threads which actively promote and admit to illegal drug use.

This is going to blow your mind but while piracy is illegal, using illegal drugs (and promoting illegal drug use) are not.

For some reason, I can only visualize a pea exploding.

 

[kage69]

Yeah I saw Pumping Iron, can't say I'm shocked at Arnie being open to debate on the subject

Best post of the thread goes to Vic for:

You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe that wanting to repeal a failed, unnecessary, invasive, and expensive law is the same as supporting and/or partaking in illegal activity. There's logical fallacies, and then there's just plain ol' dishonest dipshittery. edit: the drug warriors and the gun grabbers are proof positive that govt-worshipping authoritarians can be either right or left, respectively.

:beer: :thumbsup:



Drunk drivers kill themselves and others. Stoned drivers miss their exits.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: kage69
Yeah I saw Pumping Iron, can't say I'm shocked at Arnie being open to debate on the subject

Best post of the thread goes to Vic for:

You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe that wanting to repeal a failed, unnecessary, invasive, and expensive law is the same as supporting and/or partaking in illegal activity. There's logical fallacies, and then there's just plain ol' dishonest dipshittery. edit: the drug warriors and the gun grabbers are proof positive that govt-worshipping authoritarians can be either right or left, respectively.

:beer: :thumbsup:



Drunk drivers kill themselves and others. Stoned drivers miss their exits.

Yea, driving stoned and driving drunk aren't even in the same category.

I'd rather be driving up and down a crowded highway with everyone stoned out of their mind, then a crowded highway with all sober people and one person totally drunk.