Schwarzenegger says it's time to study legalizing pot

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: GenHoth

Originally posted by: ericlp


Obviously you could apply the same logic with cigarettes or alcohol. I've made alcohol before it only took a few weeks and it was a class and the IPA came out great but MJ takes longer then two weeks and if you had to start from seed your looking at a minimum of a 4-5 month investment and that is if you don't have bugs, rot, mold and everything perfect you got your water PH, soil and nutrients all mixed correctly and at least one of your seeds turned out to be a female. So it's not as easy as it looks and not to mention you gotta be on top of things you can't just sit around and be lazy about it you gotta spend some real Green Thumb time on it.

HOLY SHIT! YOU WOULD HAVE TO GARDEN! I don't think anyone can handle that!

Well, you don't see BK or Mcdonalds going out of business do you? c'mon, You can spend 5-10 minutes in the kitchen making a burger that taste 20X better but lazy americans will start up their cars burn up a few gallons of gas idling in drive through just to spend 3-4 times more on substandard food so they don't have to spend 5 to 10 minutes getting off their fat lazy asses to make it themselves.

And how easy is it to throw a few patties on the grill? C'mon... Get with the program!

I uh..actually think fast food burgers taste better than home made burgers most of the time.

I like the mix they use on Big Macs.

It's like junk food!

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Sorry, outright legalization is not happening. There is a struggle going on for medical use, but that is far different than allowing it for recreational use. (well, theoretically)

Sure it will, a bunch of more old people will have to die off first... but it will. As soon as the oldest people roaming the Earth are from the 1960/70's, pot will be 100% legal and someone will be making a mint off of it.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Some of you guys really need to grow up and realize there is more to life than smoking weed.

Just because you agree that yearly pap smears is a good idea, it doesn't necessarily mean you have a vagina.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: OCguy
Sorry, outright legalization is not happening. There is a struggle going on for medical use, but that is far different than allowing it for recreational use. (well, theoretically)

Sure it will, a bunch of more old people will have to die off first... but it will. As soon as the oldest people roaming the Earth are from the 1960/70's, pot will be 100% legal and someone will be making a mint off of it.

This.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I do find it interesting that Anandtech chooses to lock threads and potentially ban people who admit to piracy, but do absolutely nothing to people or threads which actively promote and admit to illegal drug use.

Actually this is a good point. I do find it offensive, simply because copying files is not theft, and should not be treated as such. But that's a different argument for another time.

In response to your other post, I think YOU "need to learn" how to stay the fuck out of peoples lives when they haven't harmed anybody.

But that's what makes you a social dinosaur, and me a social liberal. Knowing my fucking place in society.

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I do find it interesting that Anandtech chooses to lock threads and potentially ban people who admit to piracy, but do absolutely nothing to people or threads which actively promote and admit to illegal drug use.

We are having a discussion of news where the governor of Ca says it's time to study legalizing pot. Nobody here is breaking any laws, so you might want to climb down off of your moral high horse. Alcohol is legal.......Alcohol is a drug. Alcohol causes great physical damage if consumed in quantity over time, yet it's ok, because it's legal. Pot does not kill your internal organs or cause huge disasterous accidents like alcohol. It should be legal and the fact that it's not is a sham. Pot is a naturally growing herb that just happens to make one feel good. It's not a man made chemical or organ damaging solvent. I personally don't smoke it at this time in my life, as I pretty much quit the pursuit of it when my kids were born. That doesn't mean that if I'm at a party and someone passes a bong that I wouldn't partake.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: ericlp

Topic Title: Schwarzenegger says it's time to study legalizing pot

Proving that not all Republicans are morons. :thumbsup:

Remember, Arnold is a RINO.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I do find it interesting that Anandtech chooses to lock threads and potentially ban people who admit to piracy, but do absolutely nothing to people or threads which actively promote and admit to illegal drug use.

I think you should be banned for defending pirates.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Good for Arnold.

 

[smack Down]

After studing pot can captain obvious also make a study to decided if water is wet and the sky blue?

 

[whylaff]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: n yusef

Please explain why marijuana will not ever be legalized in California or the US.

Well it cant be legalized on a state-by-state basis. Although Obama has stopped DEA raids (apparently) on medical pot, you can bet they would go out full-force as far as legalization.

Oh, good ? so all this silly State?s rights stuff has been settled?

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I do find it interesting that Anandtech chooses to lock threads and potentially ban people who admit to piracy, but do absolutely nothing to people or threads which actively promote and admit to illegal drug use.

I don't know what state you live in but in hawaii, oregon, califonia and many other states ... You can legally grow and smoke weed. So, I am not breaking the law as far as the state is concerned and the feds just stated that they will not go after medical MJ users. So apparently I'm not in violation of any federal law as well. So I don't see what your problem is.

You're confusing two different things here. Even if the feds have stated they're not going to bother medical MJ users, that doesn't mean you're not breaking federal law in growing/using your own. To the best of my knowledge, the law hasn't changed; it's still a crime - just a crime they're not going to worry about right now. And I agree with others here who think MJ should be decriminalized, so I really don't care if the feds aren't going to bother with small-time growers or users.

Honest question for those who've tried it: How much does it really impair you? Can you drive? Exercise sound judgment? Perform complicated tasks? All I really know about it is what I've seen depicted in movies/TV, and of course I question the realism of that. Just curious.

 

[MovingTarget]

Although I can't stand even being around the stuff, it is about damn time. The problems that the criminalization of drugs like pot has created have far overshadowed the issues that it was supposed to solve. We see this everyday in the news. Nearly everything used to be legal for recreational use in teh US, but that was a long time ago. The debate hasn't really changed since then, except we now have many, many more decades of data about why criminalization has failed. I'm not even sure the situation surrounding how MJ and other drugs were made illegal even fully passes constitutional muster. For anyone who hasn't seen it, I highly recommend a program from the History Channel, called Hooked: Illegal drugs and how they got that way. Very insightful into that time period.

 

[Dragula22]

Originally posted by: whylaff

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: n yusef

Please explain why marijuana will not ever be legalized in California or the US.

Well it cant be legalized on a state-by-state basis. Although Obama has stopped DEA raids (apparently) on medical pot, you can bet they would go out full-force as far as legalization.

Oh, good ? so all this silly State?s rights stuff has been settled?

Exactly, the issue is not that the Feds feel for the medical marijuana patients and are therefore stopping persecution. The Fed doesn't want to circumvent State Law (which obviously allows medical marijuana) and overstep state sovereignty issues.

If the state legalizes recreational use, then the same principle should hold true.

 

[ApexCS]

Honest question for those who've tried it: How much does it really impair you? Can you drive? Exercise sound judgment? Perform complicated tasks? All I really know about it is what I've seen depicted in movies/TV, and of course I question the realism of that. Just curious.

Well I have smoked everyday for 5 years now, mostly at night. One thing I've noticed is that impairment is strain dependent for me. I really think that what is depicted in the movies is more stereotypical of classic "stoners". In my experience, cannabis does not prevent sound judgment or prevent me from performing complicated task. Hell I think playing Slayer and Metallica on guitar takes some hand eye coordination and focus, and it hasn't hindered my practice any. And yes, I think music and movies are better and so is gaming while I'm high.

I think people expect more from cannabis as far as intoxication goes. I doesn't come close to the extreme impairment cause by alcohol or people taking recreational, legal, prescription drugs.

Here's a cool video done by the speed channel on driving stoned. I warn some of you this is not the most scientific test, but it does represent my experience driving high.
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Here's a link to NORML's site where they list a study and a lot of sources. Text

 

[Farang]

It's a step forward.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: ApexCS

Honest question for those who've tried it: How much does it really impair you? Can you drive? Exercise sound judgment? Perform complicated tasks? All I really know about it is what I've seen depicted in movies/TV, and of course I question the realism of that. Just curious.

Well I have smoked everyday for 5 years now, mostly at night. One thing I've noticed is that impairment is strain dependent for me. I really think that what is depicted in the movies is more stereotypical of classic "stoners". In my experience, cannabis does not prevent sound judgment or prevent me from performing complicated task. Hell I think playing Slayer and Metallica on guitar takes some hand eye coordination and focus, and it hasn't hindered my practice any. And yes, I think music and movies are better and so is gaming while I'm high.

I think people expect more from cannabis as far as intoxication goes. I doesn't come close to the extreme impairment cause by alcohol or people taking recreational, legal, prescription drugs.

Here's a cool video done by the speed channel on driving stoned. I warn some of you this is not the most scientific test, but it does represent my experience driving high.
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Here's a link to NORML's site where they list a study and a lot of sources. Text

I do have some problems with that test. First of all, the driver admits to trying to concentrate harder knowing that he was being tested and under the influence of pot. Next, as they said.. there was no way to judge how much he had injested. If he smoked twice or three times as much would it have changed the outcome?

But most importantly - Which is the point I made earlier.. here we are, with you ADMITTING to driving under the influence of a controlled substance.. and Anandtech apparently does not care about this? I'm sorry, but being under the influence of ANY substance while driving puts MY life and my family's life at risk. I don't trust a youtube video as proof that its not happening.

This is just f--king stupid.. Argue for the legal use of pot if you want, but saying smoking while driving is acceptable is just WRONG.. hell, many places in this country you can't use a cell phone while driving yet you appear to be advocating being high while smoking as a good thing, and openly admit you DO it..

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Do the people who oppose this understand their share of tax revenues go down when others pay taxes?

I am all for other people paying for public goods; it's an effective tax cut for me...

Tennessee just raised its cigarette tax to 62 cents a pack and is expected to bring in a lot more revenue from the state. However, there will be no other taxes being decreased. It is just another tax.

Look at Cali, look at thier deficit. Do you think for second that if the state of California legalizes pot and taxes it that other taxes will be cut? That would hardly put a dent in the revenue the need to run the state.

 

[Possessed Freak]

Originally posted by: ApexCS
Well I have smoked everyday for 5 years now, mostly at night. One thing I've noticed is that impairment is strain dependent for me.
...
Here's a cool video done by the speed channel on driving stoned. I warn some of you this is not the most scientific test, but it does represent my experience driving high.
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I can't believe you admit this... Well, I can, you f'in hippy.

 

[ApexCS]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

I do have some problems with that test. First of all, the driver admits to trying to concentrate harder knowing that he was being tested and under the influence of pot. Next, as they said.. there was no way to judge how much he had injested. If he smoked twice or three times as much would it have changed the outcome?

But most importantly - Which is the point I made earlier.. here we are, with you ADMITTING to driving under the influence of a controlled substance.. and Anandtech apparently does not care about this? I'm sorry, but being under the influence of ANY substance while driving puts MY life and my family's life at risk. I don't trust a youtube video as proof that its not happening.

This is just f--king stupid.. Argue for the legal use of pot if you want, but saying smoking while driving is acceptable is just WRONG.. hell, many places in this country you can't use a cell phone while driving yet you appear to be advocating being high while smoking as a good thing, and openly admit you DO it..

I really don't care if you have problems with that test, if he admitted to concentrating harder at driving and you're faulting him for that, you have other issues and I don't think any amount of evidence, however scientific will change your mind. And it's a fucking youtube clip since it was performed by the Speed channel. It wasn't conducted by youtube and I also provided a link to numerous sources which you failed to mention. I guess it is probably too much for you to wrap you tiny mind around.

You know what else, I have driven drunk too! Holy Shit.

Anandtech doesn't care about this probably because they know no penalty no matter how severe will prevent humans from being humans.

I never said driving intoxicated is acceptable, I know it's wrong. But then again, I've never had a warning ticket much less a wreck. I also don't advocate driving high, I am not going to try and come of like most people here and pretend I don't mess up, but I usually only smoke at night with my wife when we have finished doing everything we need to around the house. I rarely have to drive while high. But I won't lie and say I've never done it.

And yes, according to your post I advocate being high while smoking. If you aren't you got ripped off...lol

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Dragula22

Originally posted by: whylaff

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: n yusef

Please explain why marijuana will not ever be legalized in California or the US.

Well it cant be legalized on a state-by-state basis. Although Obama has stopped DEA raids (apparently) on medical pot, you can bet they would go out full-force as far as legalization.

Oh, good ? so all this silly State?s rights stuff has been settled?

Exactly, the issue is not that the Feds feel for the medical marijuana patients and are therefore stopping persecution. The Fed doesn't want to circumvent State Law (which obviously allows medical marijuana) and overstep state sovereignty issues.

If the state legalizes recreational use, then the same principle should hold true.

What?

State law cannot trump federal law. This is 101 here.......yikes.

 

[Dragula22]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Stunt
Do the people who oppose this understand their share of tax revenues go down when others pay taxes?

I am all for other people paying for public goods; it's an effective tax cut for me...

Tennessee just raised its cigarette tax to 62 cents a pack and is expected to bring in a lot more revenue from the state. However, there will be no other taxes being decreased. It is just another tax.

Look at Cali, look at thier deficit. Do you think for second that if the state of California legalizes pot and taxes it that other taxes will be cut? That would hardly put a dent in the revenue the need to run the state.

True but you'd hope that if the deficit is slightly lowered the gov't would impose a lower tax hike in the future. hope...

Regardless, giving uncle sam more money at the expense of mj users seems pretty reasonable.

On the complete flip side, I bet lots of people believe keeping it ILLEGAL is not taxing to our gov't. Law enforcement, persecution, jail time, all cost A LOT of money. Let's not waste it on the old policies that have been proven useless (see the above poster who has been smoking every day for 5 yrs).

Possessed Freak,
While I agree that it's completely irresponsible to drive under the influence of anything, don't believe for a second the illusion that by maintaining illegality of drugs, you remove them from your life. That fact of the matter is, people are driving high already.

By bringing the issue out in the open, you can have open productive discussions on how to fix the situation.

 

[Drako]

Arnold's plan to increase the budget - Stoned Lottery players!

 

[Dragula22]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Dragula22

Originally posted by: whylaff

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: n yusef

Please explain why marijuana will not ever be legalized in California or the US.

Well it cant be legalized on a state-by-state basis. Although Obama has stopped DEA raids (apparently) on medical pot, you can bet they would go out full-force as far as legalization.

Oh, good ? so all this silly State?s rights stuff has been settled?

Exactly, the issue is not that the Feds feel for the medical marijuana patients and are therefore stopping persecution. The Fed doesn't want to circumvent State Law (which obviously allows medical marijuana) and overstep state sovereignty issues.

If the state legalizes recreational use, then the same principle should hold true.

What?

State law cannot trump federal law. This is 101 here.......yikes.

No shit, so why is the fed giving med mj states a pass? Because they are patients?
MJ is shedule 1, no medicinal uses. Yet, at least 10 states have passed mmj laws.

So why is the fed not busting every patient then?

The fed is allowing the state's to decide what to do instead of squandering away federal resources, in effect, indirectly admitting fault to its own policy.

If full legalization becomes legislated, I am saying there's no reason to not expect this same retarded behavior from the fed.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Dragula22

No shit, so why is the fed giving med mj states a pass? Because they are patients?
MJ is shedule 1, no medicinal uses. Yet, at least 10 states have passed mmj laws.

So why is the fed not busting every patient then?

The fed is allowing the state's to decide what to do instead of squandering away federal resources, in effect, indirectly admitting fault to its own policy.

If full legalization becomes legislated, I am saying there's no reason to not expect this same retarded behavior from the fed.

Because MMJ has much more support than recreational use.


Noone wants to be in the newspaper wheeling out a cancer patient with handcuffs on

If you for one second believe the feds would allow a state to actually legalize a Schedule I drug, you should have your voting rights suspended.