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too bad this is not permanently and across the board of the nation. A lot of government jobs have creeped up in wage vs little return for it. If you are getting a pension still after 20 years then even minimum wage is not so bad as a long term outlook.

too many free lunches out there.
 
Originally posted by: alkemyst
too bad this is not permanently and across the board of the nation. A lot of government jobs have creeped up in wage vs little return for it. If you are getting a pension still after 20 years then even minimum wage is not so bad as a long term outlook.

too many free lunches out there.
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Cutting jobs and reducing wages which end up forcing people to look for more work is not a good solution when it comes to reducing government expenses. There are far too many other expenses that the government takes part in which have nothing to do with labor and benefits. That's the fat that needs to be cut. They need to increase efficiency so that the services they provide are cheaper. Putting more people on the street does not help us much especially in an economy where tens of thousands of jobs are already being cut every month.
 
I wonder which agencies are exempt from this order, it is hard to find a list of agencies not under his direct authority.
 
Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Originally posted by: v1001
Bout time someone had the balls to do something.
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Agreed. While I lived in CA (80's and early 90's), they were VERY good at spending more than they brought in, then upping taxes......then not having enough sense to keep within their means, and spending more than they brought in AGAIN!! Add to that the "temporary" taxes I saw introduced, which I'd be willing to bet have NOT gone away yet (close to 20 years later), and it's just been year after year (and politician after politician) that has been fiscally irresponsible. IMHO, to the point of criminal neglect of their constituents!

It's high time that someone in CA takes the reins and says enough is enough. Hopefully the next thing they'll do is tell their special interest groups to stuff it, we're listening to the PEOPLE from now on!
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:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Originally posted by: v1001
Bout time someone had the balls to do something.
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Agreed. While I lived in CA (80's and early 90's), they were VERY good at spending more than they brought in, then upping taxes......then not having enough sense to keep within their means, and spending more than they brought in AGAIN!! Add to that the "temporary" taxes I saw introduced, which I'd be willing to bet have NOT gone away yet (close to 20 years later), and it's just been year after year (and politician after politician) that has been fiscally irresponsible. IMHO, to the point of criminal neglect of their constituents!

It's high time that someone in CA takes the reins and says enough is enough. Hopefully the next thing they'll do is tell their special interest groups to stuff it, we're listening to the PEOPLE from now on!
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high time someone says enough is enough to whom?

arnold is punishing a lot of people that are not making that much money and need every penny, when this issue is more the fault of the upper management and legislators - instead he is punishing a bunch of lower and middle class workers.

of course some neanderthals cheer at this because they are terrible for this country. im sick of cavemen.
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No, he is being fiscally repsonsible and forcing the legislature to balance the budget. Otherwise what happens when the state runs out of money to pay the salaries off all the state workers?

Its been done before here in Tennessee. We have hit a point where there was no balanced budget signed off and the governer ordered all state employees to stay home. This forced the legislature to stop dicking around and get a balanced budget signed.
 
Until we put serious restrictions on Free Trade like China and India does, we will keep going downhill. no one can save us, the governor is just the bearer or the bas news... dont shoot him.
We need to say F*** Y** environment and remove all the laws and emission restriction and start manufacturing in US after all the products we consume is manufactured in China with no emission standards... Shoot all the Hypocrites in Washington and CA
 
Originally posted by: rudder
Its been done before here in Tennessee. We have hit a point where there was no balanced budget signed off and the governer ordered all state employees to stay home. This forced the legislature to stop dicking around and get a balanced budget signed.
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This is exactly what Ah-Nold should have done in this case. The majority of state employees would collect far more on Unemployment than they will at $6.55/hour.


I still think the state employees need to start rolling "sick-outs" to severely impact the state's ability to do business.

It's been almost 10 years since I was a union BA that represented some of these workers, but IIRC, they have to be off work for more than 3 days consecutively before they need a doctor's note for the absence...1/2 of the office calls in sick Monday & Tuesday, while the other half calls in sick on Thursday & Friday.
Everyone gets a 4 day weekend, and everyone works on Wednesday.
 
Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Originally posted by: v1001
Bout time someone had the balls to do something.
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Agreed. While I lived in CA (80's and early 90's), they were VERY good at spending more than they brought in, then upping taxes......then not having enough sense to keep within their means, and spending more than they brought in AGAIN!! Add to that the "temporary" taxes I saw introduced, which I'd be willing to bet have NOT gone away yet (close to 20 years later), and it's just been year after year (and politician after politician) that has been fiscally irresponsible. IMHO, to the point of criminal neglect of their constituents!

It's high time that someone in CA takes the reins and says enough is enough. Hopefully the next thing they'll do is tell their special interest groups to stuff it, we're listening to the PEOPLE from now on!
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high time someone says enough is enough to whom?

arnold is punishing a lot of people that are not making that much money and need every penny, when this issue is more the fault of the upper management and legislators - instead he is punishing a bunch of lower and middle class workers.

of course some neanderthals cheer at this because they are terrible for this country. im sick of cavemen.
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That's how things work. Shit rolls down hill. The asshole is always at the top shitting on everyone else.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
All the state employees so affected should just walk out...use sick leave, vacation pay, strike, whatever.
MOST of them are covered by union agreements/M.O.U.'s and this is a direct violation of said agreements. Ah-Nold is violating their contracts.
Let these workers shut down state operations for a week or two and see how fast Ah-Nold reverses course on this.

It's just bully-posturing to force the legislature to come up with a budget HE likes by hurting the working people who have nothing to do with any of the bullshit.

While no one likes more taxes, the legslature can only cut so much. It's time to raise the taxes on the wealthy, start charging them the same sales taxes on their expensive boats and such that they buy out of state to avoid paying the same sales tax rate I pay for new cars, time to eliminate some of the "gimmee's" that the wealthy demand (and get) from their Republican lap-dogs.
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He could just send all but the essential workers home like the federal government does when there is no budget. Then they get no pay. At least this way they get their full pay, they just don't get it immediately.
 
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: BoomerD
All the state employees so affected should just walk out...use sick leave, vacation pay, strike, whatever.
MOST of them are covered by union agreements/M.O.U.'s and this is a direct violation of said agreements. Ah-Nold is violating their contracts.
Let these workers shut down state operations for a week or two and see how fast Ah-Nold reverses course on this.

It's just bully-posturing to force the legislature to come up with a budget HE likes by hurting the working people who have nothing to do with any of the bullshit.

While no one likes more taxes, the legslature can only cut so much. It's time to raise the taxes on the wealthy, start charging them the same sales taxes on their expensive boats and such that they buy out of state to avoid paying the same sales tax rate I pay for new cars, time to eliminate some of the "gimmee's" that the wealthy demand (and get) from their Republican lap-dogs.
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You must not understand the relationship between the govt and unions. Its not the same as private sector and unions. The govt holds ALL the cards, they merely act like they let the unions play at the table.

Arnold already has LEGAL authority to do what hes doing. State workers who walk out, would face termination. Besides most wont walk out because mose state jobs are extremely cushy. Most arent going to risk their job and future, over something that will likely be fixed before they get paid again.
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but the useless union still collects full dues... priceless...
 
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
What I want to know is why are we in a financial crisis to begin with? It's it the Governor's job to keep the state out of a financial crisis?
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Because despite the advertising, he's just like the one he replaced.
Oh, and he's alame duck also, so he has no real power anymore.
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He has exactly the same power he always had. He just doesn't have to worry about reelection.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: rudder
Its been done before here in Tennessee. We have hit a point where there was no balanced budget signed off and the governer ordered all state employees to stay home. This forced the legislature to stop dicking around and get a balanced budget signed.
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This is exactly what Ah-Nold should have done in this case. The majority of state employees would collect far more on Unemployment than they will at $6.55/hour.


I still think the state employees need to start rolling "sick-outs" to severely impact the state's ability to do business.

It's been almost 10 years since I was a union BA that represented some of these workers, but IIRC, they have to be off work for more than 3 days consecutively before they need a doctor's note for the absence...1/2 of the office calls in sick Monday & Tuesday, while the other half calls in sick on Thursday & Friday.
Everyone gets a 4 day weekend, and everyone works on Wednesday.
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Only problem being sick-outs only work when you are valuable and indispensable. 99% of all state workers could easily be replaced with a moments notice....the DMV, meter maids, paper pushers, ticket writers...
 
If Arnold was sincere about wanting a budget asap, he would have invoked an emergency session of the Legislature.

"Under the provisions of Proposition 58, approved by Californians in March 2004, the Governor has the authority to declare a fiscal emergency if he determines that the state faces substantial revenue shortfalls or expenditure increases. The Governor is then required to call a special session of the Legislature and to propose legislation to address the fiscal emergency. If the Legislature fails to approve and send legislation to the Governor to address the fiscal emergency within 45 days, it would be prohibited from acting on any other bills or adjourning in joint recess until such legislation is passed."

But he didnt do this and the Legislature went on vacation. Arnold waited until after they had gone on vacation and then makes a decision that is guaranteed to get large amounts of press coverage and stir up peoples emotions. The Executive Order he signed is politically safe for him. After all, lots of people have contempt for state employee's (as has been clearly established by some of the comments on this board).

The Dem's have a proposal out there to fill in the 15 billion dollar gap. The Rep's refuse to agree with it. They say to make cuts in programs, but will not propose which programs and how much to cut. So if the Rep's really want to make cuts so badly, why haven't they put forward a detailed proposal?

Arnold is grand-standing and using the state employee's as pawns.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7
If they're useless jobs, good. Cut excess spending.
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What really needs to happen is YOU need to realize that for your convenience, your elected officials vote for stuff to make you happy and worry about paying for it later. It just like going to Best Buy with a CC and no job.

Now the bill is due.

The only thing that will help in this situation is to come to terms with the FACTS that life is not and should not be either safe or fair, and all the neato things you people wish to impose on everyone to make it seem so, cost more than just money.

We now live in a time where people have this entrenched attitude that they are entitled to things, when looking at history, it is quite clear that this is not the case at all.
 
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: rudder
Its been done before here in Tennessee. We have hit a point where there was no balanced budget signed off and the governer ordered all state employees to stay home. This forced the legislature to stop dicking around and get a balanced budget signed.
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This is exactly what Ah-Nold should have done in this case. The majority of state employees would collect far more on Unemployment than they will at $6.55/hour.


I still think the state employees need to start rolling "sick-outs" to severely impact the state's ability to do business.

It's been almost 10 years since I was a union BA that represented some of these workers, but IIRC, they have to be off work for more than 3 days consecutively before they need a doctor's note for the absence...1/2 of the office calls in sick Monday & Tuesday, while the other half calls in sick on Thursday & Friday.
Everyone gets a 4 day weekend, and everyone works on Wednesday.
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Only problem being sick-outs only work when you are valuable and indispensable. 99% of all state workers could easily be replaced with a moments notice....the DMV, meter maids, paper pushers, ticket writers...
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that's woefully inaccurate and unfair.

There are plenty of qualified, knowledgeable, and experienced public sector workers that are quite valuable.

Wayy too much state worker bashing in this thread.
 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: rudder
Its been done before here in Tennessee. We have hit a point where there was no balanced budget signed off and the governer ordered all state employees to stay home. This forced the legislature to stop dicking around and get a balanced budget signed.
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This is exactly what Ah-Nold should have done in this case. The majority of state employees would collect far more on Unemployment than they will at $6.55/hour.


I still think the state employees need to start rolling "sick-outs" to severely impact the state's ability to do business.

It's been almost 10 years since I was a union BA that represented some of these workers, but IIRC, they have to be off work for more than 3 days consecutively before they need a doctor's note for the absence...1/2 of the office calls in sick Monday & Tuesday, while the other half calls in sick on Thursday & Friday.
Everyone gets a 4 day weekend, and everyone works on Wednesday.
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Only problem being sick-outs only work when you are valuable and indispensable. 99% of all state workers could easily be replaced with a moments notice....the DMV, meter maids, paper pushers, ticket writers...
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that's woefully inaccurate and unfair.

There are plenty of qualified, knowledgeable, and experienced public sector workers that are quite valuable.

Wayy too much state worker bashing in this thread.
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u r right he meant 98%....
 
Originally posted by: AmerDoux
If Arnold was sincere about wanting a budget asap, he would have invoked an emergency session of the Legislature.

"Under the provisions of Proposition 58, approved by Californians in March 2004, the Governor has the authority to declare a fiscal emergency if he determines that the state faces substantial revenue shortfalls or expenditure increases. The Governor is then required to call a special session of the Legislature and to propose legislation to address the fiscal emergency. If the Legislature fails to approve and send legislation to the Governor to address the fiscal emergency within 45 days, it would be prohibited from acting on any other bills or adjourning in joint recess until such legislation is passed."

But he didnt do this and the Legislature went on vacation. Arnold waited until after they had gone on vacation and then makes a decision that is guaranteed to get large amounts of press coverage and stir up peoples emotions. The Executive Order he signed is politically safe for him. After all, lots of people have contempt for state employee's (as has been clearly established by some of the comments on this board).

The Dem's have a proposal out there to fill in the 15 billion dollar gap. The Rep's refuse to agree with it. They say to make cuts in programs, but will not propose which programs and how much to cut. So if the Rep's really want to make cuts so badly, why haven't they put forward a detailed proposal?

Arnold is grand-standing and using the state employee's as pawns.
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the Dems want to raise taxes and that is presently DOA to the Republicans.

The Rep want to cut programs - that is presently DOA for the Dems.

Until both sides are willing to accept some of each, nothing will happen.

So it becomes a political ball game, with the Governor against the Legislature (Rep & Dem). The state employess are the ball. It will take public pressure to force both sides to come to the table willing to comprimise.

Had Arnold kept the Legislature in session, the pressure to reach a deal would not have been as great. Now, the public sees that the Legislature is not working even though there was a critical need; the public is seeing the results of such inaction and the public will apply pressure to the Legislature to GET BACK and do their jobs.

 
Originally posted by: Jeff7
If they're useless jobs, good. Cut excess spending.
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..the schwarz should do what he campaigned on: get rid of CARB and their legions of offices and employees.

 
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: AmerDoux
If Arnold was sincere about wanting a budget asap, he would have invoked an emergency session of the Legislature.

"Under the provisions of Proposition 58, approved by Californians in March 2004, the Governor has the authority to declare a fiscal emergency if he determines that the state faces substantial revenue shortfalls or expenditure increases. The Governor is then required to call a special session of the Legislature and to propose legislation to address the fiscal emergency. If the Legislature fails to approve and send legislation to the Governor to address the fiscal emergency within 45 days, it would be prohibited from acting on any other bills or adjourning in joint recess until such legislation is passed."

But he didnt do this and the Legislature went on vacation. Arnold waited until after they had gone on vacation and then makes a decision that is guaranteed to get large amounts of press coverage and stir up peoples emotions. The Executive Order he signed is politically safe for him. After all, lots of people have contempt for state employee's (as has been clearly established by some of the comments on this board).

The Dem's have a proposal out there to fill in the 15 billion dollar gap. The Rep's refuse to agree with it. They say to make cuts in programs, but will not propose which programs and how much to cut. So if the Rep's really want to make cuts so badly, why haven't they put forward a detailed proposal?

Arnold is grand-standing and using the state employee's as pawns.
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the Dems want to raise taxes and that is presently DOA to the Republicans.

The Rep want to cut programs - that is presently DOA for the Dems.

Until both sides are willing to accept some of each, nothing will happen.

So it becomes a political ball game, with the Governor against the Legislature (Rep & Dem). The state employess are the ball. It will take public pressure to force both sides to come to the table willing to comprimise.

Had Arnold kept the Legislature in session, the pressure to reach a deal would not have been as great. Now, the public sees that the Legislature is not working even though there was a critical need; the public is seeing the results of such inaction and the public will apply pressure to the Legislature to GET BACK and do their jobs.
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I completely agree with you on what I bolded above. A middle ground needs to be found. The Republicans want to cut programs. Well, then the Republicans need to put forward a proposal that outlines which programs and how much. They wont do it. How can the Dems negotiate if the Republicans refuse to put forth their proposal?

I do not agree that this move against state employees is what was required to force the Legislature to work. Emergency sessions have been called before and the Legislature has had to miss their vacations until a deal was hashed out. That was incentive enough for them to work out the problems.

Many people are dismissing this because they say the employees who were fired can just get their jobs back. First off, the media is assuming Arnold intends to let them come back but no where has Arnold said that and it sure isnt written anywhere. Secondly, to bring those employees back (or to fill those positions with other people) procedures must be followed and those procedures take time. Positions have to be advertised for a certain period of time, all qualified applicants have to be reviewed, interviews scheduled, (sometimes a second interview must occur), references checked, and then a candidate can be chosen. Some of those jobs also require a back ground check = more time. It does not matter that the person they are re-hiring is the exact same person they fired last month. They are required to follow these steps. So while this is going on, the employee who was fired has no income and may default on loans.

Arnold had other choices. He could have written an Executive Order to dip into Bond funds or to dip into the state Lottery. He chose not to. He made a calculated decision to make cuts against state employee's. It's pretty straight forward then that he is using the state employees as pawns in his political game. You said it yourself, the state employees become the "ball" in the political game. That is morally and ethically wrong.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: rudder
Its been done before here in Tennessee. We have hit a point where there was no balanced budget signed off and the governer ordered all state employees to stay home. This forced the legislature to stop dicking around and get a balanced budget signed.
Click to expand...

This is exactly what Ah-Nold should have done in this case. The majority of state employees would collect far more on Unemployment than they will at $6.55/hour.


I still think the state employees need to start rolling "sick-outs" to severely impact the state's ability to do business.

It's been almost 10 years since I was a union BA that represented some of these workers, but IIRC, they have to be off work for more than 3 days consecutively before they need a doctor's note for the absence...1/2 of the office calls in sick Monday & Tuesday, while the other half calls in sick on Thursday & Friday.
Everyone gets a 4 day weekend, and everyone works on Wednesday.
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They aren't going to be earning minimum wage. They will be paid the difference after a budget is signed. FYI people who work in the legislative office get paid nothing now, thats is thousands of employees.
 
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