school votes to change it's name from Jefferson Davis Elementary to Barack Obama Elementary

[brainhulk]

school voted to change it's name from Jefferson Davis Elementary to Barack Obama Elementary.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...amed-for-barack-obama/?utm_term=.2b769cdc16bf

Edit: I derped, changed post. Woops

 

[sandorski]

The state of emergency and renaming of the school are not directly related.

 

[trenchfoot]

For some folks, that name change is another brick that has come tumbling down from the wall that's protecting their way of life. It's another leak that has sprung in the dike they've built around themselves that was meant to hold back the unyielding rising tide of change.

Change that in their view is a threat to their values, to their traditions, to the way things were back in the glory days of which they want to keep alive as much of as possible or even go back to.

Good luck with that. I wish you well.

 

[Meghan54]

The state of emergency and renaming of the school are not directly related.

Exactly. I wonder if the OP really read the article. The relevant time line....just for the OP:

The (name change) process started a few weeks ago after one of the elementary school students had a conversation with her mom about Jefferson Davis.

The PTA and other stakeholders voted Oct. 5 to rename the school. They took their recommendation to the school board, which approved the change Tuesday.

[/QUOTE]In September, the Mississippi Board of Education asked Gov. Phil Bryant (R) to declare that the Jackson public school system is in an “extreme emergency,” and the state could soon take control of the area’s schools, according to the Associated Press.

The state board asserted that some seniors have graduated without meeting requirements, teachers are providing ineffective education and the schools are unsafe for the capital city’s 27,000 students, the AP reported. The school’s interim superintendent argued that the district has improved and should have more time to address problems.[/QUOTE]



The name change is very recent, like last few weeks, while the emergency request began in Sept., 2016. And from the way the article reads, there's not even a suggestion the two are related.

 

[brycejones]

Derp on the OP.

But it does raise a stupid point. Schools should only be named after REAL Americans, not illegals from Kenya.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Derp on the OP.

But it does raise a stupid point. Schools should only be named after REAL Americans, not illegals from Kenya.

Or racist confederate traitors.

There was a city near me that was consistently failing the state requirements. They were taken over, all new people. The current administration will lose they're jobs.

 

[brainhulk]

Yeah, I derped. Change the title.

 

[interchange]

For some folks, that name change is another brick that has come tumbling down from the wall that's protecting their way of life. It's another leak that has sprung in the dike they've built around themselves that was meant to hold back the unyielding rising tide of change.

Change that in their view is a threat to their values, to their traditions, to the way things were back in the glory days of which they want to keep alive as much of as possible or even go back to.

Good luck with that. I wish you well.

Is conservativism worthless because their remembrance of the past is a fantasy?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Is conservativism worthless because their remembrance of the past is a fantasy?

Conservatism is worthless because they fear and hate change, and remembering the past is all they can do.

 

[pmv]

They could have just opted for a compromise solution. Reach out to the other side by just changing _half_ of the name. Just swap 'Jefferson' for 'Angela'.

 

[zinfamous]

For some folks, that name change is another brick that has come tumbling down from the wall that's protecting their way of life. It's another leak that has sprung in the dike they've built around themselves that was meant to hold back the unyielding rising tide of change.

Change that in their view is a threat to their values, to their traditions, to the way things were back in the glory days of which they want to keep alive as much of as possible or even go back to.

Good luck with that. I wish you well.

good thing is, those people will soon be dead. From their ashes will grow subsequent generations of humans that will be disgusted by their ancestors, as it always will be.

 

[interchange]

Conservatism is worthless because they fear and hate change, and remembering the past is all they can do.

And what do you think of the past? Is progressivism constructed upon any less of a fantasy?

 

[Bitek]

They could have just opted for a compromise solution. Reach out to the other side by just changing _half_ of the name. Just swap 'Jefferson' for 'Angela'.

Or Obama Elementary to Obama Madrassa..

Let's keep it rill nah

 

[ch33zw1z]

And what do you think of the past? Is progressivism constructed upon any less of a fantasy?

the past is the past. we learn from it, not continue to live in it, or try.

i think the union tried to keep thr country united after the civil war, and a good deed was punished, to this day.

if you think its fantasy to try to learn from past mistakes and move forward (aka progress) then its on you to reflect on that.

 

[pmv]

And what do you think of the past? Is progressivism constructed upon any less of a fantasy?

Which past and whose past? There's more than one past.

 

[HomerJS]

Conservatism is worthless because they fear and hate change, and remembering the past is all they can do.

No they don't truth be told if they could change all the MLK High Schools to Ni**er High School they would.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No they don't truth be told if they could change all the MLK High Schools to Ni**er High School they would.

Unfortunately I think thats true in some cases.

 

[vi edit]

I live in Lexington, KY. There is an Elementary school here called "Stonewall". There was a very large hoopla over it's naming roots. Many thought it was named after Stonewall Jackson. Turns out it was named after a literal stone wall near it.

 

[IronWing]

I live in Lexington, KY. There is an Elementary school here called "Stonewall". There was a very large hoopla over it's naming roots. Many thought it was named after Stonewall Jackson. Turns out it was named after a literal stone wall near it.

I wonder which would have gotten the name changed faster, being named after Stonewall Jackson or being named after the Stonewall Inn?

 

[interchange]

the past is the past. we learn from it, not continue to live in it, or try.

i think the union tried to keep thr country united after the civil war, and a good deed was punished, to this day.

if you think its fantasy to try to learn from past mistakes and move forward (aka progress) then its on you to reflect on that.

I don't know how old I was when I learned that Santa Claus was a fantasy, but I do know that I still expected presents. And I also know that, even when I lived alone as an adult, I still decorated for Christmas. Still, I would chide myself to some degree for wanting the fantasy to be true. That gave way somewhat when I realized how much of socially exalted regular adult life depended on fantasy (movies, video games, sex, etc.). It took me much longer to appreciate that, although my view of Santa Claus was fantasy, nevertheless Santa Claus is still as real as ever.

Conservatism and progressivism are no different in this way. Their common application differs in how fantastical they are. And while I think it better to at least appreciate the boundary between fantasy and reality, that should not lead you to believe that fantasy itself is wrong. Nor should it lead you to believe the reality is wrong alongside it. I imagine that if I had lamented to my mother about how Santa's unreality exempted me from Christmas, she would have complied by no longer providing presents. What a shame that would have been. I like presents.

 

[ch33zw1z]

what part of our history do you consider fantasy?

 

[woolfe9998]

Conservatism is worthless because they fear and hate change, and remembering the past is all they can do.

No, not "remembering" the past. A narrative where the confederacy was fighting for freedom rather than for slavery is an inversion of reality. Imagining it would be a more accurate description.

 

[theeedude]

How many Adolf Hitler elementary schools are there in Germany?

 

[ch33zw1z]

No, not "remembering" the past. A narrative where the confederacy was fighting for freedom rather than for slavery is an inversion of reality. Imagining it would be a more accurate description.

fair enough, i stand corrected.

i didnt say they had a good memory

 

[trenchfoot]

Is conservativism worthless because their remembrance of the past is a fantasy?

I'd say whatever makes them happy is just fine with me, but they shouldn't force me to live in their dream world with them. I mean, there's value to be had in the realm of conservatism. Good things that have been thrown into the melting pot that is our nation since its inception. But those good things often comes with caveats that a lot of other folks don't agree with, and many of those that live for, by and with those caveats would like all of us to do the same or be viewed as a threat. Instead of "live and let live", it's become "live like me or else".

Taken to extremes there are the ones that say you don't deserve to live like me just because you look different. You need to live at a level below mine because you just might want to take what's mine to live like me. No sir, can't have that. Or, nightmares of nightmares, you just might become the ones that don't see things the way I do and have the ability to force me to change in a way I've been warned not to. ie - A black fella taking over the White House, Voting Rights Act, forced integration of schools, removing symbols of treason and slavery from gov't property, etc.

That right there is a real and major source of contention of which manifests itself in many bad ways for those folks who've become to see themselves as now being the oppressed where they were once the oppressors.

From a microcosm of one all they way out to the macrocosm of which we now live in, the expansion of our world view that's being offered to us via the emergence of the world economy and the blossoming of the tech that allows us to cheaply partake in the exchange of information and ideas among the nations of the free world, there's the inevitable changes that occur where if it's not taken advantage of from an economic and societal point of view it can and does become a threat to a way of life that is inflexible to the changes occurring around those that refuse to adapt and accept those facts of life.

Not sure I've mentioned this before, but it's not a coincidence that traditionalists/nativists are in concert with religious fundamentalists where many of those folks are all of the aforementioned.