Here's a topic for your thoughts ladies and gentlemen - school dress code and uniforms - yea or nay. Please participate in the poll, and detail your thoughts on it in the thread.
School Uniforms or Dress Code
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Not uniforms, but professional attire (slacks, shirt, tie, jacket, etc...) should be the rule.
But maybe drop the tie.
But maybe drop the tie.
robphelan
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i support uniforms in school.
i went to an inner city school - a third of it was a magnet school which I was a student.
we didn't have much money by any means (maybe very low middle class). it was very evident by the clothes I wore, that my family had more than most of theirs.
it does build up resentment.
i went to an inner city school - a third of it was a magnet school which I was a student.
we didn't have much money by any means (maybe very low middle class). it was very evident by the clothes I wore, that my family had more than most of theirs.
it does build up resentment.
I went to most of grade school and middle school at a Catholic school that required fairly strict uniforms. After that, I went to public schools that barely qualified as having any sort of dress standards at all.
Having those two different perspectives, I can honestly say that it makes no difference at all. Really. Uniforms don't solve any sort of widespread issue, and while there may be isolated instances where they are a good idea, I think they rank about 657th on the list of things we should be working on in education, right under a regulation on which kind of graphite students should have in their mechanical pencils.
Having those two different perspectives, I can honestly say that it makes no difference at all. Really. Uniforms don't solve any sort of widespread issue, and while there may be isolated instances where they are a good idea, I think they rank about 657th on the list of things we should be working on in education, right under a regulation on which kind of graphite students should have in their mechanical pencils.
Uniforms are vital in knowing who to hate. The green on whites must kill the white on greens.
I was a nothing until I put on a uniform and afterward, well afterward I was still a nothing.
I was a nothing until I put on a uniform and afterward, well afterward I was still a nothing.
The reason I believe in uniforms stems from my own personal experience, as well as that of my friends and family.
Putting on certain attire is more than symbolic, it is part of a mental ritual. We put on white to celebrate, black to mourn. The uniform gives the soldier confidence. It's about getting into a state of mind that is appropriate for whatever it is that you're going to be doing. The clothes are nothing more than an external reflection of that.
What is inside my head does not change, but when I put on a white coat, I feel as if it's part of the ritual which allows me to concentrate and assume whatever duties and responsibilities I have. Certainly I do not NEED this formality in order to do my job, but it certainly helps.
I feel that the same can be said for school. Putting on a uniform in the morning may very well help someone assume a receptive and inquisitive state of mind, and be ready to learn.
In addition, I think that uniforms or standardized attire will act to enhance the cohesiveness of the school community, and frankly, give people one less reason to pick on someone.
I have no desire to resign myself to babbling incoherently about the ultimate truth of the universe, while my life passes me by.
This "truth" that you either seek, or have accepted as impossible to discover, is actually quite simple - it is merely the drive to act.
Feel free to continue pondering the meaning of nothingness... but know that it's not some great unknown that you're exploring, it's only your own apathy and idleness.
We don't want children to become educated. We want them to grow up to be the tiny limited conforming mental midgets that we are. And our success rate is tremendous. It is truly amazing that people can't see that everything is exactly as they wish it to be. If we actually cared about our kids they would thrive, uniforms or no. But we live in a world of delusions because truth hurts.
School should be a place where students get an education.
It should not be a place where students are indoctrinated to become sheep.
When I went through school we had no school uniforms. I have since graduated, and several years after I did the school districted adopted a more strict dress code along the lines of a uniform.
The same problems that we supposidly had in school when I was growing up are the same problems that they have now at days. Uniforms dont change a damn thing.
It also forces parents to buy more clothes. Instead of just buying clothes that are equally suitable at school and at home, now you need two sets of clothes.
It should not be a place where students are indoctrinated to become sheep.
When I went through school we had no school uniforms. I have since graduated, and several years after I did the school districted adopted a more strict dress code along the lines of a uniform.
The same problems that we supposidly had in school when I was growing up are the same problems that they have now at days. Uniforms dont change a damn thing.
It also forces parents to buy more clothes. Instead of just buying clothes that are equally suitable at school and at home, now you need two sets of clothes.
Threadcrapping? Well I never!!!!!!!! You sure you'd know threadcrapping from ideas that are over your head?
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Dressed for survival. (1994). The Economist, 332, 32.
Elam, S. M., & Rose, L. C. (1996). The 28th annual Phi Delta Kappa/gallup poll of the public's attitudes toward the public schools. Phi Delta Kappan, 78, 41-60.
Hoffler-Riddick, P. Y., & Lassiter, K. J. (1996). No more "sag baggin'": School uniforms bring the focus back to instruction. Schools in the Middle, 5, 27-28.
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Dressed for survival. (1994). The Economist, 332, 32.
Elam, S. M., & Rose, L. C. (1996). The 28th annual Phi Delta Kappa/gallup poll of the public's attitudes toward the public schools. Phi Delta Kappan, 78, 41-60.
Hoffler-Riddick, P. Y., & Lassiter, K. J. (1996). No more "sag baggin'": School uniforms bring the focus back to instruction. Schools in the Middle, 5, 27-28.
Loesch, P. C. (1995). A school uniform program that works. The Principal,74, 28-30.
McCarney, S. B., Leigh, J. E., & Cornbleet, J. A. (1983). The Behavior Evaluation Scale. Test Critiques,4, 87-91.
Zebo
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As usual ACLU comes down on right side of the issue.
I went to a all male boarding school back east in virgina which required uniforms and we were all delinquent when adults head master wer'nt looking. Much worse than public school kids due to need to rebel the 7-5.
You can put a bow tie on an ass but he's still an ass. Kids will be kids.
Alles in ordnung has a certain appeal to the left brained, follow-the-dots kind of minds.
Conformity is our mental prison. We have been made to feel terror at being different. So lets escape the problem by being all the same. But he problem is just much deeper.
I'll accept that theory, but think about the message uniforms send. It's not just putting on "certain" attire as part of a mental ritual, it's about putting on attire that was chosen for you, and that you have virtually no say in. While I personally don't find particular clothes all that necessary to my mental preparation, I can understand the concept of putting on attire to get into a particular state on mind.
What is left unsaid, however, is what state of mind that attire brings. There is nothing wrong with the idea of a child having special school clothes, in fact I'd encourage that sort of thing for exactly the reasons you stated. But making the choice of what to wear for them, and making them wear something virtually identical to what everyone else is wearing, sends exactly the wrong message to foster a good learning environment, which is the opposite of what we are going for. It suggests that learning isn't so much about what the student wants as what everyone else wants the student to do.
The little mental preparation techniques often work well because they are personal, attempting to force everyone to follow the SAME path will probably have the opposite affect. I like to get ready for work by getting up and eating a quick breakfast while reading Slashdot, AT, and Google News. I then take a long, hot shower to really get me fully awake. I dress in my work clothes (defined as clothes that look reasonably clean). Then I drive to work, listening to techno to get me pumped up and ready to go. This works for me, but it would be stupid to try to make it work for anybody else. There is nothing wrong with mental rituals, we all have them, but by far the most effective way to use them is to allow kids to come up with their own, regarding their attire and everything else.
Of course I'm assuming that you and I are on the same page when it comes to what's most important about education. I personally think teaching kids to think critically, and independently, is FAR, FAR more important than whatever piece of useless knowledge you happen to be talking to them about. If your goal is to develop students as students first, and individuals second, that's a whole different kettle of fish.
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