School shooting in progress at Montreal College

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: Le Québécois

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
When was the last time you heard of a School shotting in Canada besides this one....

Sadly, this one : Polytechnique massacre.

It was in Montreal that time too.

But for a town of about 1.5 millions inhabitants with an average of 1-5 deaths by gun fire a year I think we are still far from the US situation.

That happened in 1989. Since 1989 the United States has had exactly 7 school shootings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
When was the last time you heard of a School shotting in Canada besides this one....

Maybe the one that occurred a week after Columbine in Alberta?

Yeah but what are the frequencey of school shootings of Canada vs. United States. I think the only reason why anybody makes a big deal is becuase Canada of course has a very low gun realated crime vs. United States.....

canada also has 10% of the population of the US

So and China has 6 times the pop of the US and 1/10 the crime rate. What is your point......

 

[Le Québécois]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Le Québécois

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
When was the last time you heard of a School shotting in Canada besides this one....

Sadly, this one : Polytechnique massacre.

It was in Montreal that time too.

But for a town of about 1.5 millions inhabitants with an average of 1-5 deaths by gun fire a year I think we are still far from the US situation.

That happened in 1989. Since 1989 the United States has had exactly 7 school shootings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings

Well if you look down the link I posted seems we had another one in 1992 : Concordia University shooting

But yes...Aside from the fact that Montreal seems to attract all the school shooting in Canada, we are still way below the US.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

Originally posted by: Zebo

The mass murder (in 1996) prompted tighter gun laws, which included the creation of the controversial national firearms registry.

Yep so no one could defend themselves as these assiliants today roamed the halls with impunity executing thier victims.

Good idea.

Yeah, nothing like having everyone packing heat at school, so whenever they hear a shot, they can whip out their guns and go postal... :disgust:
I swear, sometimes I'm still baffled by this type of American mentality.

Please read this:

In mid-January, a disgruntled student at ASL, Peter Odighizuwa, opened fire on campus wounding three people and murdering three others -- the school's Dean, a law professor and a student. As reported in The Charlotte Observer newspaper (1/18/2002), two men who helped bring the murderer under control were ASL students Mikael Gross and Tracy Bridges, both North Carolina law enforcement officers. The Observer says, in part:

Gross ran to his car, parked about 100 yards away, without dropping the gunman from his sight, grabbed his bullet-proof vest from his trunk and a gun from under his front seat. While the man pointed his gun at fellow students, Gross and two others ran toward him from different directions. One of the others was Tracy Bridges... who also had his gun, Gross said. When the gunman saw them, Gross said, he put his weapon down and his hands up. The third man, Ted Besen... was not armed and ordered the gunman onto the ground. Instead, the gunman lunged at Besen and punched him in the face.

See... men with guns show up and bad guy gives up. Men without gun shows up and bad guy shoots them. Pretty simple.

Yes. Except that these "students" in your example were in fact police officers carrying equipment at all times, while the Montreal Police showed up at the scene in only three minutes after the shots were fired. Not to mention the victimes were not "adult students", they were kids between 16 and 19....

I am sorry, but I do not share the American obsession with guns, and, like someone else posted (ironically), I don't think people should take guns to school, in order to make schools safer places.


For all of you gun advocates, please check out what Washington Post said about yesterday's killer:

"On a Web site filled with obscenities and hatred for authority, Gill posted a log and about 50 pictures of himself, many of them posing with a semi-automatic rifle and wearing a long black trenchcoat and boots.

In rambling and angry blog entries, using the identification fatality666, Gill raved about video games involving shooting, and said "I love guns. . . . I really do. The great equalizer. . . . wouldn't you say?" "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2006/09/14/AR2006091400572.html

 

[amddude]

The students in the example were LEO's, but not on duty. Could have just as easily been a student with a gun in their car. Americans aren't gun crazy--we just like having the means to defend ourselves. This is how total self-defense prohibition starts. Register firearms>reduce "acceptable" level of firepower>wait for incident with a gun that gets media attention>confiscate firearms. This leads to situations like they have in the UK where pepper spray is considered a class 5 weapon, equivalent to rocket launchers.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
When was the last time you heard of a School shotting in Canada besides this one....

Maybe the one that occurred a week after Columbine in Alberta?

Yeah but what are the frequencey of school shootings of Canada vs. United States. I think the only reason why anybody makes a big deal is becuase Canada of course has a very low gun realated crime vs. United States.....

canada also has 10% of the population of the US

So and China has 6 times the pop of the US and 1/10 the crime rate. What is your point......

Actually it's pretty hard to trust any statistics coming out of China as they underestimate just about everything. They also lock countless thousands of people up in secret and execute drug offenders. So what is your point?

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
When was the last time you heard of a School shotting in Canada besides this one....

Maybe the one that occurred a week after Columbine in Alberta?

Yeah but what are the frequencey of school shootings of Canada vs. United States. I think the only reason why anybody makes a big deal is becuase Canada of course has a very low gun realated crime vs. United States.....

canada also has 10% of the population of the US

So and China has 6 times the pop of the US and 1/10 the crime rate. What is your point......

Actually it's pretty hard to trust any statistics coming out of China as they underestimate just about everything. They also lock countless thousands of people up in secret and execute drug offenders. So what is your point?

Being the fact that your second statement "They also lock countless thousands of people up in secret and execute drug offenders." is totally irrelavent. It actually answers your first one "it's pretty hard to trust any statistics coming out of China". Regardless of weather you are correct or not regarding as to weather China lies on their statistics. Knowing from common sense any country that has extreamly strict laws especially laws that undermind what we call over here (U.S.) Civil Rights. People are less likely to break them. Canada for example has real low gun related crime due to the fact that the Canadian governement has real strict laws on the ownership of guns. In China it is completeley illegal for one to own a gun except the police...... Also the government of china has the power over the people to interupt business and search without a warrant. Unfortunatley this is not possible in the U.S.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson

Originally posted by: Zebo

The mass murder (in 1996) prompted tighter gun laws, which included the creation of the controversial national firearms registry.

Yep so no one could defend themselves as these assiliants today roamed the halls with impunity executing thier victims.

Good idea.

Yeah, nothing like having everyone packing heat at school, so whenever they hear a shot, they can whip out their guns and go postal... :disgust:
I swear, sometimes I'm still baffled by this type of American mentality.

Please read this:

In mid-January, a disgruntled student at ASL, Peter Odighizuwa, opened fire on campus wounding three people and murdering three others -- the school's Dean, a law professor and a student. As reported in The Charlotte Observer newspaper (1/18/2002), two men who helped bring the murderer under control were ASL students Mikael Gross and Tracy Bridges, both North Carolina law enforcement officers. The Observer says, in part:

Gross ran to his car, parked about 100 yards away, without dropping the gunman from his sight, grabbed his bullet-proof vest from his trunk and a gun from under his front seat. While the man pointed his gun at fellow students, Gross and two others ran toward him from different directions. One of the others was Tracy Bridges... who also had his gun, Gross said. When the gunman saw them, Gross said, he put his weapon down and his hands up. The third man, Ted Besen... was not armed and ordered the gunman onto the ground. Instead, the gunman lunged at Besen and punched him in the face.

See... men with guns show up and bad guy gives up. Men without gun shows up and bad guy shoots them. Pretty simple.

Yes. Except that these "students" in your example were in fact police officers carrying equipment at all times, while the Montreal Police showed up at the scene in only three minutes after the shots were fired. Not to mention the victimes were not "adult students", they were kids between 16 and 19....

I am sorry, but I do not share the American obsession with guns, and, like someone else posted (ironically), I don't think people should take guns to school, in order to make schools safer places.


For all of you gun advocates, please check out what Washington Post said about yesterday's killer:

"On a Web site filled with obscenities and hatred for authority, Gill posted a log and about 50 pictures of himself, many of them posing with a semi-automatic rifle and wearing a long black trenchcoat and boots.

In rambling and angry blog entries, using the identification fatality666, Gill raved about video games involving shooting, and said "I love guns. . . . I really do. The great equalizer. . . . wouldn't you say?" "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2006/09/14/AR2006091400572.html

Makes me even more happy that I do have guns so that if someone like him comes near me I can at least try to defend myself instead of just rolling over and bleeding to death while I wait for police to show up, organize, try and de-escalate the situation, and finally do what I would have done 10 seconds after the shooting started. That is if some small-minded, controlling bastards hadn't prevented me from carrying my sidearm.