School emergency procedures designed to MAXIMIZE casualties in exchange for 'feel-good'

EyeMWing

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Okay, I've thought A LOT about this, mostly over the course of all the emergency drills at my high school while sitting huddled in a dark classroom in hopes that some fictitious gunman would just assume the entire building was empty and leave. I just never posted it because the potential for being "profiled" as a "potential shooter" was too big of a risk for me to take.

My school had 4 basic modes of emergency operation. One of them existed pre-columbine, 2 were created in response to it, and the fourth was improvised during the DC sniper situation.

1 - Fire alarm - Exit the building in an orderly manner, wait in the parking lots, don't block the fire lanes. Teachers take roll in the parking lots to make sure everyone got out.

No real problems with this one, though getting a little farther from the building would be good for both any potential firefighters and safety.

2 - "Code red" - This is a reimplementation of "duck and cover." The entire class huddles up against the wall nearest the hallway, doors shut and locked, cover the windows in the door with paper to prevent from seeing in, close all windows and blinds, shut off lights. The idea is for the building to look empty. This plan was developed after Columbine. This is instituted in the following situations:
- Gunfire on-campus.
- Tresspasser in building.
- Fire on campus, but not main building

The problems with this are as follows:
- Okay, you come in to school with the intention of shooting people. There are people all over the place. Suddenly, you draw your gun, pick off a few people in the hallway. 45 seconds later, they come on the intercom and yell "CODE RED." People all scamper dutifully into classrooms and duck and cover. Okay, do you go home now? FSCK NO. You start shooting fish in a barrel. The doors may be steel, but the locks are much weaker... and if you have a shotgun, forget even having to blow out the lock, just take a shot at the glass bit. It'll blow enough of a hole in the wire mesh for you to reach through and open the damn door. Killcount +32. Rinse, repeat.

Also, a moderately powerful rifle like an AK47 or SKS could easily put a shell through the lockers and cinderblock and into the students huddled on the other side of the wall. Don't believe me? I've put a round through an empty propane tank (way thicker metal than a pansyass locker) that subsequentely passed through the cinderblock behind it.

3 - "Code blue" - This is an extension of the fire alarm status. It is used in bomb threat situations. Report to the parking lot, roll is taken, teachers indicate to the administation through means of either a green or red card that they have (or do not have) all their kids. If anyone is holding the red card, everyone waits until that kid is found. Once it's all green, the entire school proceeds to walk up to the stadium. If a subsequent threat is made regarding the stadium, the entire school walks approximately 1 mile BACK PAST THE SCHOOL AND PARKING LOTS to the parking lot of the local grocery store. This was established in response to Columbine, but refined when the school actually had a bomb threat and it was realized that the original plan didn't account for every student.

Problems are as follows:
Oh, gee. Who would want to blow up a school? Oh, a pissed off student. Guess who knows the procedures? A pissed off student. Guess what a pissed off student would do (if he were mildly intelligent and in the business of maximizing casualties instead of just destroying property)? Call in a bomb threat, blow up cars in the parking lots... Or just don't call in a bomb threat and just blow sh!t up (but blowing up a parking lot is a lot easier than blowing up a concrete structure).

Also, Code Blue is prescribed as the solution to a "large aircraft crash near or on-campus." Yes, by all means, send us outside where we can inhale jet fuel smoke.

4 - "Lockdown" - This was developed in response to the sniper douchebags. Essentially all the blinds remain closed, "and all the doors locked" and all field trips are cancelled.

Problems: Some classes are held in the shop outside, or in the trailers outside. Doors remain unlocked for those purposes. Also, the front door remains unlocked. If you want to get in, you can still walk in. The only difference is that you can't pop heads through the first floor windows.

Frankly, I think the kids at Columbine High had the right idea - RUN LIKE THE GDMF WIND (and if you get a strategic opportunity to either save some lives or die a hero, disarm one of the dirtbags and pop him and his buddies with their own firepower). All this "preparation" just ensures that if someone ever gets that fscked in the head again, and everyone does as they're told, that instead of a few dozen kids, you're looking at 100 casualties - MINIMUM (assuming sufficient ammunition). And don't tell the kids the bomb procedures. They'll be so skeered if it ever actually happens that they'll pay attention to what the teachers tell them. Unfortunately, kids are going to have to die en-masse before things are changed (again)
 

aplefka

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You have thought way too much about something way too trivial for me to care.

Worked fine when the guy brought a gun to school a couple years ago for us, no one was hurt and even though he was IN one of the classrooms, had the rest of us not gone into lockdown and if he had a partner like many do, we'd have been fvcked.
 

mchammer

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Did security professionals formulate these plans, or just school administrators?
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: quakefiend420
you make very valid points...why don't you write this up and present it to the school board?

I very well may do that... As soon as I'm sure the remainder of my business there is done, because they're far more likely to take me as a serious threat and take out restraining orders than they are to change anything :p
 
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Originally posted by: mchammer
Did security professionals formulate these plans, or just school administrators?

sounds like the special ed students were given the project...
 

aplefka

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Originally posted by: quakefiend420
you make very valid points...why don't you write this up and present it to the school board?

What else are they gonna do? It sounds like his procedures vary slightly from our's but I really don't see what else can be done. It's better than nothing and I'm sure they'll come up with something better eventually.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: mchammer
Did security professionals formulate these plans, or just school administrators?

School administrators posing as security professionals (in other words, they consulted with the principals of the schools in the ghetto areas of the county)
 

slick230

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So in response to the shortcomings in the 4 situations you listed above, what would you do differently? Do you have any cohernt ideas? Or are you just one of those people that like to point out things they feel are wrong and leave it to other people to fix?
 

Zee

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so basically, when you bring this to the attention of the school board, you alternative solution would be to.... let me get this straight... run like the god damn mother fvckin wind?
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: Lazee
so basically, when you bring this to the attention of the school board, you alternative solution would be to.... let me get this straight... run like the god damn mother fvckin wind?

That's what I'd do, along with anyone else with any sense of self-preservation. The 'duck and cover' bull, I don't have a complete replacement for, and frankly, if all hell were to break loose again, damn near everyone else would do exactly what I would have done - fastest route to the fvcking doors, use everyone else as cover. So the procedures wouldn't actually be EMPLOYED, they're really just there to make like good PR tools and keep control in minor situations.

The bomb crap, though, that can EASILY be fixed. First, instead of sh!tting around 50 feet from the building, get away from anything that could possibly explode... Sports fields are good for this. Full on stadiums with concessions and pressboxes and permanent structures are not. THEN take roll.

So-called lockdowns are worthless, and there's essentially nothing that can be done to improve that doesn't involve... You know, building schools that are big enough. Funding mismanagement makes that impossible.

And another pet peeve of mine... We're allowed to have cell phones on campus for contacting our parents in emergency situations, but they MUST remain in our lockers or they will be confiscated. Where in the emergency procedures do you see "go to your lockers and get your cell phones"?
 

AFB

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: mchammer
Did security professionals formulate these plans, or just school administrators?

School administrators posing as security professionals (in other words, they consulted with the principals of the schools in the ghetto areas of the county)

LMAO


Sad thing is you're probably right.
 

Lorn

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Good call.

Too bad the entire entity of high school is flawed, not just the drills.
 

There is a reason they put a lockdown on the school. If everyone was running around like a madman, the responding police/emergency responders wouldn't know who was good or bad. The lockdown situation, although not the best for getting the students out of the way, makes the job of the police much easier and the situation can be controlled. Furthermore, if anyone is bringing something that can shoot through walls to your school, lockdown is the last thing he wants. He wants people running around screaming, not knowing what is going on because the spray and pray method will be used to maximum efficiancy. He can mow down several students with a single shot, and seemingly "get lost in the crowd" which gives him some hope of escape.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: FallenHero
There is a reason they put a lockdown on the school. If everyone was running around like a madman, the responding police/emergency responders wouldn't know who was good or bad. The lockdown situation, although not the best for getting the students out of the way, makes the job of the police much easier and the situation can be controlled. Furthermore, if anyone is bringing something that can shoot through walls to your school, lockdown is the last thing he wants. He wants people running around screaming, not knowing what is going on because the spray and pray method will be used to maximum efficiancy. He can mow down several students with a single shot, and seemingly "get lost in the crowd" which gives him some hope of escape.

What's a tactically poor situation for the police is even worse for an attacker. If you're alone, you're instantly in danger of someone coming up behind you and taking you out. Even if you're in a team, the bottleneck effect of hallways will ensure that the majority of your rounds are caught by people who are already dead, reducing efficiency. And there is NO escape. Even if you manage to get away, your face will be on every news outlet in the civilized world, and if you go into this kind of endeavour without knowing that you won't come out the other side without either being dead, or killed in prison, you're too fscking stupid to remember to bring the bullets anyway.
 

2cpuminimum

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: Lazee
so basically, when you bring this to the attention of the school board, you alternative solution would be to.... let me get this straight... run like the god damn mother fvckin wind?

That's what I'd do, along with anyone else with any sense of self-preservation. The 'duck and cover' bull, I don't have a complete replacement for, and frankly, if all hell were to break loose again, damn near everyone else would do exactly what I would have done - fastest route to the fvcking doors, use everyone else as cover. So the procedures wouldn't actually be EMPLOYED, they're really just there to make like good PR tools and keep control in minor situations.

The bomb crap, though, that can EASILY be fixed. First, instead of sh!tting around 50 feet from the building, get away from anything that could possibly explode... Sports fields are good for this. Full on stadiums with concessions and pressboxes and permanent structures are not. THEN take roll.

So-called lockdowns are worthless, and there's essentially nothing that can be done to improve that doesn't involve... You know, building schools that are big enough. Funding mismanagement makes that impossible.

And another pet peeve of mine... We're allowed to have cell phones on campus for contacting our parents in emergency situations, but they MUST remain in our lockers or they will be confiscated. Where in the emergency procedures do you see "go to your lockers and get your cell phones"?

You are mostly right on. The fact is that these sorts of procedures are not designed to protect or save anyone. They are simply designed for the sake of having a procedure, and minimizing the chance of getting sued. The main purpose of almost every procedure a school has is to prevent the school from getting sued. It's the same with "zero tolerance" for weapons.

There have been cases where kids had been threatened with firearms by their parents, and the kids stole the gun, then took the gun straight to the administrator, and were promptly expelled for possession. Who does that help? Nobody.

In the eyes of the law, a procedure does not have to have any sort of justification or reasoning that would support effectiveness. It simply has to have the alleged purpose of protecting kids (or preventing X) in order for the procedure/policy to protect the school from liability (in the event of X).

The way to minimize casualties would be to make sure everyone has a cell phone, to immediately report incidents. Also, anyone who sees someone with a gun is to attack them immediately (can't outrun a bullet anyway). Everyone else should run as far as they can as soon as the alarm sounds. All students should be trained in basic self defense and disarming attackers with guns and knives.

Instead, cell phones are banned because they could be used to synchronize drug deals. Just like the war on drugs, the war on school violence doesn't actually decrease the effects of school violence, it just increases the level of oppression and provides more excuses to take away more rights.