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School district that barred students from hearing Obama's speech

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Patranus
So one event was put on by Obama (a sitting president) and the other event was PUT ON BY THE NFL.

Sad fucking day in this country where you have no problem with the NFL speaking to kids but object to the president doing so.

Again, what was the specific objection you had to the speech or the lesson materials?

+1
 
Originally posted by: cganesh75
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Patranus
So one event was put on by Obama (a sitting president) and the other event was PUT ON BY THE NFL.

Sad fucking day in this country where you have no problem with the NFL speaking to kids but object to the president doing so.

Again, what was the specific objection you had to the speech or the lesson materials?

+1

+2
 
Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Sounds like this trip was planned for a while for one thing. And its misleading to say its just Bush.. it sounds like its a whole bunch of people speaking. Which also will probably make it a much more well rounded activity than just hearing from one person - The event is also described as "the Super Bowl committee?s largest-ever youth education program" - That sounds like they will be LEARNING something not just listening to Obama drone on and on about stay in school and write down how he inspires you.

Don't see the comparison here honestly. I'd be completely fine with former President Clinton and Carter speaking there as well.

Lmfao, no you wouldn't. You partisan hacks are all the same-- Obama's good-will message is "indoctrination" BEFORE IT WAS EVEN RELEASED and so would any other Democrat's be to you. If you're so worried about one politician indoctrinating your children, why don't you force anybody in a political role to have their speeches screened before they speak? Where's the outrage against Bush and what he might say???

You seem to be the partisan hack. You just happen to be a liberal pansy as well that can't decern fact from fiction. Go watch CNN or something to get you all worked up over nothing. The Obama speech was announced a few days before it was to air. Showing it to the kids would have thrown off already schedule events and classes. A field trip is something that is planned in more advance, plus if you notice, this isn't a politcal meeting. It's the fucking Super Bowl committee running this. But just because it has business people and NFL players it must be politically motivated because Bush is there and he wasn't a former governor of Texas or part owner of the Texas Rangers or shockingly, a business man. Oh the feigned horror of them taking kids to a football stadium.

When I was in 5th grade we went to Dallas Stadium and got to meet Cowboys and run on the field.
 
Watching the right do cartwheels trying to hold these two opposing ideas in their heads is pretty entertaining. Where's some doublethink when you need it?
 
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I think we better see some advanced copy showing what Bush plans to say, so that we can be sure our schoolkids aren't getting indoctrincated and brain-washed!

Ding!

I also find it hard to believe the amount of time/resources used to bus students to an alternate location to hear Bush vs. having them sit in their classrooms to hear Obama. Then again, this is Texas...

Yup dumb ol Texas that still has a viable job market and a sound economy. Yup were' just a bunch of dumb asses.
It's called a field trip and if you had actually read the article, they aren't going just to hear Bush. Do you really think 5th graders give a shit if they are going to go see a former president. They're going to get to see NFL players and go into the newest most expensive stadium in the nation and get to experience that. If you lived in Arlington or anywhere in North Texas you would want to go see the thing as well. I can see it from my office building and I'm 30 miles away from it.

The stadium is what the trip is about (and how Arlington is stealing all the tourists from other N. Texas cities 😉 )
 
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
The Obama speech was announced a few days before it was to air. Showing it to the kids would have thrown off already schedule events and classes.

It was announced more than 3 weeks before he gave it, about 25 days actually.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/20...ch/UPI-61971250282044/

The speech also lasted about 20 minutes. During lunch. I would think schools could figure out a way to carve 20 minutes from their schedule. In fact, somehow over 99% of them managed to do so. Miraculous!

A field trip is something that is planned in more advance, plus if you notice, this isn't a politcal meeting. It's the fucking Super Bowl committee running this. But just because it has business people and NFL players it must be politically motivated because Bush is there and he wasn't a former governor of Texas or part owner of the Texas Rangers or shockingly, a business man. Oh the feigned horror of them taking kids to a football stadium.

Nor was Obama's speech political. Nor was anything in the lesson plans political. Nor is anyone objecting to this field trip because they think it is a political event. Nor is anyone really objecting to this field trip at all. Just the double standard applied. You really can't get anything right.

Oh, who got "potatoe" wrong again?

 
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I think we better see some advanced copy showing what Bush plans to say, so that we can be sure our schoolkids aren't getting indoctrincated and brain-washed!

Ding!

I also find it hard to believe the amount of time/resources used to bus students to an alternate location to hear Bush vs. having them sit in their classrooms to hear Obama. Then again, this is Texas...

Yup dumb ol Texas that still has a viable job market and a sound economy. Yup were' just a bunch of dumb asses.
It's called a field trip and if you had actually read the article, they aren't going just to hear Bush. Do you really think 5th graders give a shit if they are going to go see a former president. They're going to get to see NFL players and go into the newest most expensive stadium in the nation and get to experience that. If you lived in Arlington or anywhere in North Texas you would want to go see the thing as well. I can see it from my office building and I'm 30 miles away from it.

The stadium is what the trip is about (and how Arlington is stealing all the tourists from other N. Texas cities 😉 )

Yeah, we should base our field trip ideas on what 5th graders think would be cool.
 
Maybe we should be more concerned about the way the NFL "brainwashes" young people than either political party. I like pro football as much as the next guy and used to go to games several times each year.

Texas has built themselves a new showplace that turns the venue into the star instead of the game. It's nothing new...people used to go to events at the Astrodome just to see the building. If you've seen pictures of the place, you see why it's being hyped up. It's probably the most expensive sports palace that's ever been built, (to date).

The school district is just indoctrinating the students into the world of professional sports. The speakers at this event are secondary to building itself.
 
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I think we better see some advanced copy showing what Bush plans to say, so that we can be sure our schoolkids aren't getting indoctrincated and brain-washed!

Ding!

I also find it hard to believe the amount of time/resources used to bus students to an alternate location to hear Bush vs. having them sit in their classrooms to hear Obama. Then again, this is Texas...

Yup dumb ol Texas that still has a viable job market and a sound economy. Yup were' just a bunch of dumb asses.
Yeah that's why they have to recruit educated workers from other states to do those jobs.
 
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
I can see it from my office building and I'm 30 miles away from it.

The stadium is what the trip is about (and how Arlington is stealing all the tourists from other N. Texas cities 😉 )

Wow, a sports stadium! that must be amazing compared to the former exciting panoramic view of water towers rusting in a TX suburb.
/yawn
 
Hey Red Dawn, where you at on this toll of a thread?

"School district that barred students from hearing Obama's speech "
Now THAT title implies that the students were BARRED from hearing speech which is 100% factually inaccurate.

Why haven't you locked this bad boy?

My thread had fact to it while this one has none.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I think we better see some advanced copy showing what Bush plans to say, so that we can be sure our schoolkids aren't getting indoctrincated and brain-washed!

Ding!

I also find it hard to believe the amount of time/resources used to bus students to an alternate location to hear Bush vs. having them sit in their classrooms to hear Obama. Then again, this is Texas...

Yup dumb ol Texas that still has a viable job market and a sound economy. Yup were' just a bunch of dumb asses.
Yeah that's why they have to recruit educated workers from other states to do those jobs.

So it's a bad thing that we have so many jobs that we're recruiting from other states to fill them.

That's what I love about Texas, we have such a bad stereotype that none of the assholes, not unlike yourself, want to move here, and yet still we have droves of people moving here from failed states like kalifornia.
 
Originally posted by: Patranus
Hey Red Dawn, where you at on this toll of a thread?

"School district that barred students from hearing Obama's speech "
Now THAT title implies that the students were BARRED from hearing speech which is 100% factually inaccurate.

Why haven't you locked this bad boy?

My thread had fact to it while this one has none.

Oh I'm sorry... not showing it, while not giving the students any opportunity to view it if they wanted to. Right, that's not barring. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: Patranus
Hey Red Dawn, where you at on this toll of a thread?

"School district that barred students from hearing Obama's speech "
Now THAT title implies that the students were BARRED from hearing speech which is 100% factually inaccurate.

Why haven't you locked this bad boy?

My thread had fact to it while this one has none.

mod call out = ban
 
Originally posted by: Patranus
Hey Red Dawn, where you at on this toll of a thread?

"School district that barred students from hearing Obama's speech "
Now THAT title implies that the students were BARRED from hearing speech which is 100% factually inaccurate.

Why haven't you locked this bad boy?

My thread had fact to it while this one has none.

Do not point out the splinter in someone else's eye without first taking care of the log in your own. The OP does not have a deliberately misleading or innacurate (read: trollbait) title, and he does not make outrageous claims of OMGSOCIALISM or whatever inflamatory phrase of the week. It is a legitimate topic of discission. Your threads are quite the opposite sometimes where you post about a potentially legitimate subject of discussion, but do so in a way that makes any discussion a flamefest before it has even started. This thread so far has remained somewhat civil in tone...
 
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Do not point out the splinter in someone else's eye without first taking care of the log in your own. The OP does not have a deliberately misleading or innacurate (read: trollbait) title, and he does not make outrageous claims of OMGSOCIALISM or whatever inflamatory phrase of the week. It is a legitimate topic of discission. Your threads are quite the opposite sometimes where you post about a potentially legitimate subject of discussion, but do so in a way that makes any discussion a flamefest before it has even started. This thread so far has remained somewhat civil in tone...

LOL - The only people who take my threads off topic and use uncivil tones are those who call me name such as "troll" or other inflammatory words.

Secondly, nothing about my thread title was deliberately misleading or inaccurate. The Coast Guard, and extension of the Obama administration caused a panic in DC. Plain and simple. I also went out of the way to point out CNNs part in my OP.

Now, looking at this thread
"School district that barred students from hearing Obama's speech"

That title is deliberately misleading AND inaccurate. No one in the school district was barred from view the speech. PERIOD. If the the parents of the students wanted their child to see the speech, it was offered. That is a FACT.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Yeah that's why they have to recruit educated workers from other states to do those jobs.

Yep, and we're gonna need another thousand or so to build the Tacoma next year - interested?
 
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
You seem to be the partisan hack. You just happen to be a liberal pansy as well that can't decern fact from fiction.

That is so hilarious coming from you. Like you could ever call anyone a pansy.
 
Originally posted by: Patranus
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Do not point out the splinter in someone else's eye without first taking care of the log in your own. The OP does not have a deliberately misleading or innacurate (read: trollbait) title, and he does not make outrageous claims of OMGSOCIALISM or whatever inflamatory phrase of the week. It is a legitimate topic of discission. Your threads are quite the opposite sometimes where you post about a potentially legitimate subject of discussion, but do so in a way that makes any discussion a flamefest before it has even started. This thread so far has remained somewhat civil in tone...

LOL - The only people who take my threads off topic and use uncivil tones are those who call me name such as "troll" or other inflammatory words.

Secondly, nothing about my thread title was deliberately misleading or inaccurate. The Coast Guard, and extension of the Obama administration caused a panic in DC. Plain and simple. I also went out of the way to point out CNNs part in my OP.

Now, looking at this thread
"School district that barred students from hearing Obama's speech"

That title is deliberately misleading AND inaccurate. No one in the school district was barred from view the speech. PERIOD. If the the parents of the students wanted their child to see the speech, it was offered. That is a FACT.

If it were merely one thread, then I wouldn't have said anything. However, this seems to be a developing patturn with you. It is recognised by ATPN regular and mod alike (at least what I have gleaned from mod quotes).

As far as this thread, the school district did bar the children from watching it live during school hours. What parents do at home regarding the speech is not the issue. It is school hour activities that are in question here.
Arlington school officials said they wouldn?t show it live because they didn?t want to interrupt lessons
The school REFUSED to show the speech live during school hours because it would interrupt lessons. However, they would let them go see a statium and the former president, which disrupts lessons to a much greater extent. They just as easily could've seen the stadium on their own time with their families or watched Bush's speech on their own time too, so that isn't the issue.
 
Originally posted by: Ryan711
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I think we better see some advanced copy showing what Bush plans to say, so that we can be sure our schoolkids aren't getting indoctrincated and brain-washed!

Ding!

I also find it hard to believe the amount of time/resources used to bus students to an alternate location to hear Bush vs. having them sit in their classrooms to hear Obama. Then again, this is Texas...

Yup dumb ol Texas that still has a viable job market and a sound economy. Yup were' just a bunch of dumb asses.
Yeah that's why they have to recruit educated workers from other states to do those jobs.

So it's a bad thing that we have so many jobs that we're recruiting from other states to fill them.

That's what I love about Texas, we have such a bad stereotype that none of the assholes, not unlike yourself, want to move here, and yet still we have droves of people moving here from failed states like kalifornia.

Their schools suck in TX and that's why the have to recruit from other areas. And I'm talking from Experience, the TX school system had 'no child left behind' before the rest of the nation and because of that a lot of schools teach for the test to get the score up and don't really teach what the kids need to function in this world. I lived in TX for 20+ years before I escaped and the only reason I stayed so long is because my kids. They lived with their mom and I wasn't going to move away from them. once my son graduated from HS he came to live with me and my daughter came soon after. after that I moved elsewhere at the first chance I got.
 
Originally posted by: Patranus
Hey Red Dawn, where you at on this toll of a thread?

"School district that barred students from hearing Obama's speech "
Now THAT title implies that the students were BARRED from hearing speech which is 100% factually inaccurate.

Why haven't you locked this bad boy?

My thread had fact to it while this one has none.

You, fact? Bahahahaha thanks for the :laugh:
 
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