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School cop throws high school girl to ground

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Pipeline 1010 said:
But class was ruined 🙁 I was told to avoid disrupting the class by all means. Except for physical violence by a cop. That's cool.
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They were also standing up for what they perceived to be an injustice. Sure, some of them probably just liked the idea of leaving class, but some of them were likely genuine as well. What was she standing up for? Her right to use her phone in class? Not reasonable to imply the two are equal.

Btw, I heard there were supposedly videos out now that showed how the girl was speaking to the teacher and/or the assistant principal before the officer was summoned. Does anybody know if that's true and perhaps someone has a link as well?
 
Svnla said:
I totally understand free speech is NOT totally free, ie, you can NOT use free speech to incite violence or hate or nasty things or yell "fire" in a packed movie theater and so on.

What I have a problem with is people try to suppress different opinion or things they do not like to hear by the threat of termination of employment to silent people, such as in this case with Raven.
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Then you are censoring their "right" to use their speech to create a petition or to call for a resignation. Its a fine balance. What you can do is use your speech and send a letter or email in support of Raven. See how it works? 😀
 
Subyman said:
Then you are censoring their "right" to use their speech to create a petition or to call for a resignation. Its a fine balance. What you can do is use your speech and send a letter or email in support of Raven. See how it works? 😀
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I am not against some of the viewers' right to call for Raven job. They absolutely can do that. I just think it is misguided and unnecessary because so far from what I read, Raven did not say anything out of line or untrue to express her "own" opinion in which is a part of her job. Not warrant to be fire IMO, not even close.

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Ok to call for her job = if Raven said "why the cop did not beat that girl even more with his tazer/baton to teach her some manner and how to behave properly next time. Show that little brat who is the big boss".

NOT ok to call for her job = Raven just said "get off the phone in school".

Also, her expression of her own opinion is part of her job in the show. She did not get hired to be a singer/writer or The Price Is Right model.

That's my 2 cents.
 
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Blue_Max said:
You kidding? SJW's don't get their hands dirty with labour or we'd hear them demanding 50% female representation for garbage and sewer workers! :sneaky:

Starbucks, however, leads to lots of social interaction with the "right" people and the 20-hour workweek leaves lots of time to blog about those critical issues we all need to know about. 😉
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I'm sure you have a real rough job where you can post on the internet all day. I guess being a failure of a human being leaves a lot of spare time to scream at women.

railer said:
you sound pretty intelligent. what factory / hardware store do you work at?
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Well see, I worked hard and got an education so I don't have too.
 
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Subyman said:
You are correct. It could be a broadly defined free speech issue, but not a first amendment issue. However, saying "what happened to free speech" implies we once had universal free speech, but that has never been the case. People have always pushed back at speech they don't agree with through boycotts, calls for resignation, etc.
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This is just the reactionary mindset. They see competing interests as threats to freedom. I think the petition is stupid, but it's free speech too.
 
Pipeline 1010 said:
First of all you made it sound super complicated to teach kids without bringing books and rewriting chalkboards. You're like the infomercial where the person not using the infomercial product is a bumbling retard that fumbles piles of underwear at K-Mart because they didn't use their Chipotlaway.

OK back to reality. Let's compare 2 options:
1) removing the students *purbeast0 no likey
2) getting violent with the girl *purbeast0 likes this one

BOTH result in the class being severely interrupted. It's too late to prevent that by now. You realize that, right? You think after watching what happened with the cop, that the kids are just gonna calmly go back to their math work and concentrate?

Yes, the girl is having a hissy. She should get suspended. If it happens, expel her and permanently remove the problem child from the school. The kids all said she was showing off. So if you go with option 1 and remove the class, there is nobody left to show off to. Her reason to resist is gone. More than likely she gives up non violently and you can suspend her. For the rest of her life, it is probable that she never pulls that shit again. Problem solved non-violently, cop not fired, school not sued. For the price of interrupting the 2nd half of a single class on a single day, every kid who was in that room knows not to pull that again.

OK, so think option 2 now. The class gets interrupted. Cop gets all rage-y and violent. Cop gets fired. Cop gets sued. School gets sued. You just know the unruly idiot child is going to win money from the taxpayers, right? What child in that room just learned NOT to do what she did? They all learned exactly which buttons to press to get their 10 minutes of fame and $100,000 payout.

Which option is more likely to result in less future disruption? Which option awards my taxpayer money to attitude child? Is it possible that there are options that DON'T involve using cop-rage to fix the issue?
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This.
 
CitizenKain said:
I'm sure you have a real rough job where you can post on the internet all day. I guess being a failure of a human being leaves a lot of spare time to scream at women.
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I don't work all seven days a week = failure of a human being. Kinda' high standards there... and a double-standard at that.

And mustn't forget the all-important false accusation of "hates women" to incite a zergling rush of SJW's. 😉 Don't forget to mark my posts as "offensive" and cry to your friends in high places to silence me.

Well see, I worked hard and got an education so I don't have too.
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Yeah... education... yet 2-3 letter words are overly challenging. No wonder the word "too" is now considered a 'micro-aggression'. 😉
 
Pipeline 1010 said:
Yes, the girl is having a hissy. She should get suspended. If it happens, expel her and permanently remove the problem child from the school. The kids all said she was showing off. So if you go with option 1 and remove the class, there is nobody left to show off to. Her reason to resist is gone. More than likely she gives up non violently and you can suspend her.
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Quite the optimistic appraisal there... just "do this" and, magically, the best outcome will happen.

So, what happens in the (more likely) event that a stubborn and unruly kid STILL refuses to cooperate? The exact same scenario STILL plays out.
 
Blue_Max said:
Quite the optimistic appraisal there... just "do this" and, magically, the best outcome will happen.

So, what happens in the (more likely) event that a stubborn and unruly kid STILL refuses to cooperate? The exact same scenario STILL plays out.
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A peace officer has a duty to at least try to avoid the worst possible scenario. For obvious reasons.
 
Hey, let's give the fired cop at least some credit for not pulling his service pistol or taser on the student when she refused his order to leave the classroom. /s
 
Svnla said:
So now if you don't agree with the girl, you could lose your job? = http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/“t...-raven-symone-exclusive/ar-BBmDwcA?li=AAa0dzB




Where is the freedom of speech? Full disclosure: I do not watch The View and not a fan of Raven or any of the women on that show.
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Umm, freedom of speech is for everyone. If people want to use it to request that a person be fired that is their freedom. Just like it's the freedom of her employer to dismiss what they are saying, as it appears they are doing.

The entire point of freedom of speech isn't to protect speech that you like, it's to protect speech that you don't particularly like, sort of like this evidently.

Or did I miss something in the article about the government prosecuting her for what she said?
 
Darwin333 said:
Umm, freedom of speech is for everyone. If people want to use it to request that a person be fired that is their freedom. Just like it's the freedom of her employer to dismiss what they are saying, as it appears they are doing.

The entire point of freedom of speech isn't to protect speech that you like, it's to protect speech that you don't particularly like, sort of like this evidently.

Or did I miss something in the article about the government prosecuting her for what she said?
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See my reply to Suby above post 953.
 
Darwin333 said:
Did they get fucked up by the police and arrested for disrupting class?
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Those students were peaceful and non-violence, no stone or heavy objects were thrown at anyone or the police. No one rioted, burned, and looted surrounding businesses and blamed everything on whiteys.
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
http://news.yahoo.com/experts-discuss-handle-defiant-high-school-students-205857828.html
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That was a pretty good article and suggests something no one else in here has so far - delaying discipline until after class. Sure it sticks in the craw to have her feel like she "won" by whipping out her phone and messing around when the teacher said not to, but she'd feel smug for about an hour -- then be informed she's being kicked out of school (or something similarly appropriate.)

The other kids might think they could get away with the same thing she did... at least until they notice she's no longer with them anymore.


...of course, that's assuming she'll agree to not come back and the staff doesn't have the problem of kicking her out the next day when she refuses to stay out. *sigh*
 
Blue_Max said:
That was a pretty good article and suggests something no one else in here has so far - delaying discipline until after class. Sure it sticks in the craw to have her feel like she "won" by whipping out her phone and messing around when the teacher said not to, but she'd feel smug for about an hour -- then be informed she's being kicked out of school (or something similarly appropriate.)

The other kids might think they could get away with the same thing she did... at least until they notice she's no longer with them anymore.


...of course, that's assuming she'll agree to not come back and the staff doesn't have the problem of kicking her out the next day when she refuses to stay out. *sigh*
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So she should have been removed from class and THEN fucked up by the cop?

Yeesh.
 
MajinCry said:
So she should have been removed from class and THEN fucked up by the cop? Yeesh.
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Wow... that was an impressive display of shoving words down my throat to change my narrative. Wouldn't want anyone agreeing with me now would you?

Read my comment a dozen times if you have to... point out for the class, where I said to have police intervention at all.
 
Blue_Max said:
That was a pretty good article and suggests something no one else in here has so far - delaying discipline until after class. Sure it sticks in the craw to have her feel like she "won" by whipping out her phone and messing around when the teacher said not to, but she'd feel smug for about an hour -- then be informed she's being kicked out of school (or something similarly appropriate.)

The other kids might think they could get away with the same thing she did... at least until they notice she's no longer with them anymore.


...of course, that's assuming she'll agree to not come back and the staff doesn't have the problem of kicking her out the next day when she refuses to stay out. *sigh*
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Lots and lots of people suggested that repeatedly. You just didn't bother to read.
 
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