Scary WWII Stuff

Rainsford

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My Econ professor likes to mention little facts during lectures that are related to what we are talking about in the class. Today it was arguments for and against protectionism. One argument that is used for protectionism is national security. Some people argue that we shouldn't become reliant on other countries for goods that we need to protect ourselves. My professor argued against that (kind of complex so it's too long to go into here, but it makes a lot of sense) and, among others things, said that we should, if anything, restrict exports that other countries could use against us.

Now, here's the scary part. As an example he told us about the early 1930's when Japan first started invading other countries in Asia. Even then they realized that the US would become a problem for them. But they decided to take advantage of our then neutral position and buy scrap metal from us in huge quantities (which they later turned into battleships used to kill American soldiers, but anyways...) They also were stockpiling huge quantities of biological weapons like anthrax. They developed a jet airplane to deliver the weapons to US coastal cities like LA and San Diego. But they couldn't get the engines to work correctly (and so the plane would not be able to make it there and back to Japan). So they enlisted the help of Boeing to build those engines (not telling them what they were for). But the process was difficult (remember, jet engines were experimental technology back then) and Boeing was having trouble keeping costs down. They were thinking about moving production to another country to lower costs, but apparently Japan thought this was taking too long and attacked Pearl Harbor instead.

If it wasn't for the delays in producing the engines at a reasonable cost, the Japanese might have been able to deliver huge quantities of anthrax and other bio weapons to major US coastal cities and infect millions of people (something those dumbass terrorists can only dream about). That would not have turned out so good.

Just wanted to share this interesting tidbit with everyone.
 

RbSX

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interesting, yet creepy.

Thank god I'm canadian, no one wants to take us over.
 

StageLeft

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Yeah it's hard to predict what you sell now may be used against you later unfortunately. Examples exist of the US funding/giving weapons to other groups that have later been used on US forces. Not to condemn it at that time but nobody can predict the future!
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: RyanSengara
interesting, yet creepy.

Thank god I'm canadian, no one wants to take us over.


Well we want to take you over, but we all our troops are tied up in Iraq.

Getting back to the thread, the japanese were working on an atom bomb as well. Luckily they never got a chance to finish it.
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: RyanSengara
interesting, yet creepy.

Thank god I'm canadian, no one wants to take us over.


Well we want to take you over, but we all our troops are tied up in Iraq.

Getting back to the thread, the japanese were working on an atom bomb as well. Luckily they never got a chance to finish it.

As was Hitler.
 

Armoth

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Hmmm...other wars where people thought the world was gonna end...and yet it didn't...
 

Karsten

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Did you know that if the Landing in France would have failed (there was no backup plan) the first Nuke would have most likley been used against Germany? Very scary!
 
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OK, show me some proof that they were gonna send bio weapons and chem weapons to the U.S. I call B.S. on that, ause 1. they didn't attack us due to hatred or mallice, they did it because they were desperate for OIL and supplies we controlled. They thought that if they could take out Pearl Harbor, they would destroy our morale, and be able to take the oil fields that we had intrest in and protected in the idian and asian areas.

They were mistaken.
 

OFFascist

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Whats that quote by Stalin (or maybe it was Mao).

"The Americans (maybe capitalists) will sell us the rope we will use to hang them with."

In many ways that is true, but I'm still an ardent capitalist I just think we need to temper our need for profit with some nationalism.

I would much rather we built our factories in the Americas rather than China. I would much rather bolster the economy in our hemisphere than to be modernizing the Chinese and their war machine.
 
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Originally posted by: OFFascist
Whats that quote by Stalin (or maybe it was Mao).

"The Americans (maybe capitalists) will sell us the rope we will use to hang them with."

In many ways that is true, but I'm still an ardent capitalist I just think we need to temper our need for profit with some nationalism.

I would much rather we built our factories in the Americas rather than China. I would much rather bolster the economy in our hemisphere than to be modernizing the Chinese and their war machine.

Unfortunatly it comes down to the U.S.'s greatest Diety. The All Mighty Dollar.

Thou some companies are investing in the US work force. Though most of them are Japanese. There are more foriegn company car plants in the US right now than ever. Toyota,Nissan,BMW, All have plants in the US. Where as many of the US companies are increasingly moving production outside our boarders.

 

308nato

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
OK, show me some proof that they were gonna send bio weapons and chem weapons to the U.S. I call B.S. on that, ause 1. they didn't attack us due to hatred or mallice, they did it because they were desperate for OIL and supplies we controlled. They thought that if they could take out Pearl Harbor, they would destroy our morale, and be able to take the oil fields that we had intrest in and protected in the idian and asian areas.

They were mistaken.


I think disembowelment, decapitation, starvation, mutilation, torture and a thousand other acts commited by the Nips during the war from beginning to end pretty much show there was some malice there.

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Originally posted by: 308nato
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
OK, show me some proof that they were gonna send bio weapons and chem weapons to the U.S. I call B.S. on that, ause 1. they didn't attack us due to hatred or mallice, they did it because they were desperate for OIL and supplies we controlled. They thought that if they could take out Pearl Harbor, they would destroy our morale, and be able to take the oil fields that we had intrest in and protected in the idian and asian areas.

They were mistaken.


I think disembowelment, decapitation, starvation, mutilation, torture and a thousand other acts commited by the Nips during the war from beginning to end pretty much show there was some malice there.

rolleye.gif

Yeah, and our soilders were innocent of anything like that. Pull your head out of your ass. War is not pretty, for either side.

 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: OFFascist
Whats that quote by Stalin (or maybe it was Mao).

"The Americans (maybe capitalists) will sell us the rope we will use to hang them with."

In many ways that is true, but I'm still an ardent capitalist I just think we need to temper our need for profit with some nationalism.

I would much rather we built our factories in the Americas rather than China. I would much rather bolster the economy in our hemisphere than to be modernizing the Chinese and their war machine.

Unfortunatly it comes down to the U.S.'s greatest Diety. The All Mighty Dollar.

Thou some companies are investing in the US work force. Though most of them are Japanese. There are more foriegn company car plants in the US right now than ever. Toyota,Nissan,BMW, All have plants in the US. Where as many of the US companies are increasingly moving production outside our boarders.

The all... ighty... ollar??? Ohhh, hehehe, I get it.
 

StageLeft

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Yeah, and our soilders were innocent of anything like that. Pull your head out of your ass. War is not pretty, for either side.
It's not, but I think it's a given that the Japanese treated POWs way freaking worse than the allies did.

 

308nato

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: 308nato
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
OK, show me some proof that they were gonna send bio weapons and chem weapons to the U.S. I call B.S. on that, ause 1. they didn't attack us due to hatred or mallice, they did it because they were desperate for OIL and supplies we controlled. They thought that if they could take out Pearl Harbor, they would destroy our morale, and be able to take the oil fields that we had intrest in and protected in the idian and asian areas.

They were mistaken.


I think disembowelment, decapitation, starvation, mutilation, torture and a thousand other acts commited by the Nips during the war from beginning to end pretty much show there was some malice there.

rolleye.gif

Yeah, and our soilders were innocent of anything like that. Pull your head out of your ass. War is not pretty, for either side.


You are about as sharp as a bag full of wet mice.

 

Jimbo

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Yeah, and our soilders were innocent of anything like that. Pull your head out of your ass. War is not pretty, for either side.

You know the "both sides did it" argument is frequently wrong, as it is in this case.

 

LethalWolfe

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: 308nato
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
OK, show me some proof that they were gonna send bio weapons and chem weapons to the U.S. I call B.S. on that, ause 1. they didn't attack us due to hatred or mallice, they did it because they were desperate for OIL and supplies we controlled. They thought that if they could take out Pearl Harbor, they would destroy our morale, and be able to take the oil fields that we had intrest in and protected in the idian and asian areas.

They were mistaken.


I think disembowelment, decapitation, starvation, mutilation, torture and a thousand other acts commited by the Nips during the war from beginning to end pretty much show there was some malice there.

rolleye.gif

Yeah, and our soilders were innocent of anything like that. Pull your head out of your ass. War is not pretty, for either side.

Okay. You stay in a Japanesse POW camp, I'll stay in an American (or sh*t even German) POW camp and we'll see who hates life more after a few weeks (that is assuming you don't get bayoneted during a death march).


Lethal

 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
But they couldn't get the engines to work correctly (and so the plane would not be able to make it there and back to Japan).

Interesting. It never bothered them that hundreds of their pilots never made it back safely. They DID coin the word Kamikaze after all.
 

Mandrill

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
OK, show me some proof that they were gonna send bio weapons and chem weapons to the U.S. I call B.S. on that, ause 1. they didn't attack us due to hatred or mallice, they did it because they were desperate for OIL and supplies we controlled. They thought that if they could take out Pearl Harbor, they would destroy our morale, and be able to take the oil fields that we had intrest in and protected in the idian and asian areas.

They were mistaken.


Ask and ye shall recieve oh unelightend one.

Japanese Balloon Bombs
 

Colt45

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Apr 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: OFFascist
Whats that quote by Stalin (or maybe it was Mao).

"The Americans (maybe capitalists) will sell us the rope we will use to hang them with."

it's capitalists, not americans. the quote is attributed to lenin.
 

etech

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
OK, show me some proof that they were gonna send bio weapons and chem weapons to the U.S. I call B.S. on that, ause 1. they didn't attack us due to hatred or mallice, they did it because they were desperate for OIL and supplies we controlled. They thought that if they could take out Pearl Harbor, they would destroy our morale, and be able to take the oil fields that we had intrest in and protected in the idian and asian areas.

They were mistaken.



Japanese Unit 731

Planned Bacterial Attack on the United States.
Proposals included use of these weapons against the United States. They proposed using balloon bombs to carry disease to America and they had a plan in the summer of 1945 to use kamikaze pilots to dump plague infected fleas on San Diego.

Some Japanese generals proposed loading the balloons with weapons of biological warfare, to create epidemics of plague or anthrax in the United States. Other army units wanted to send cattle plague virus to wipe out the American livestock industry or grain smut to wipe out the crops. As it happened, 9,000 balloons each carried four incendiary and one antipersonnel bomb across the Pacific on the jet stream to create forest fires and terror from Oregon to Michigan.

As the end of the war approached in 1945, Unit 731 embarked on its wildest scheme; codenamed Cherry Blossoms at Night, the plan was to use kamikaze pilots to infest California with the plague.

Toshimi Mizobuchi, who was an instructor for new recruits in Unit 731, said the idea was to use 20 of the 500 new troops who arrived in Harbin in July 1945. A submarine was to take a few of them to the seas off Southern California, and then they were to fly in a plane carried on board the submarine and contaminate San Diego with plague-infected fleas. The target date was to be Sept. 22, 1945. As it happened, the fleet of submarine seaplane carriers that assembled was assigned to launch torpedos at the locks in the Panama canal, but that was changed to attack the US fleet at Ulith just as the war ended.

Unlocking a Deadly Secret
 

chiwawa626

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That reminds me of how U-boats actauly made it out to the US coastlines.


Hey anyone remember that bizzar thread where someone kept calling his house for his great uncle who was in someway affiliated with teh nazi party and had fleed to south america...now that was some intresting/scary WW2 stuff :)