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Scary: OK Approves Bill That Gives Passing Grade To All Faith-Based Responses

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The Bill proposal in RTF format

From the bill itself:

ARTICLE IV. RELIGIOUS EXPRESSION IN CLASS ASSIGNMENTS
Students may express their beliefs about religion in homework, artwork, and other written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of the submission by the student. Homework and classroom work shall be judged by ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance and against other legitimate pedagogical concerns identified by the school. Students shall not be penalized or rewarded on account of religious content. If the assignment given by a teacher involves writing a poem, the work of a student who submits a poem in the form of a prayer (for example, a psalm) should be judged on the basis of academic standards, including literary quality, and not penalized or rewarded on account of its religious content.
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Did you guys all miss the part where this is already law in texas!? Honestly, if this crap keeps going through my kids will be private schooled and I hate that idea. :'(


I honestly can't believe this kind of crap. How is the teacher supposed to be responsible for verifying all of the different answers? Basically everyone is going to get a 100 on everything because the teacher will never be able to verify it.
 
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Considering that we don't know for sure how old the earth is, I see no problem.

Half the "science" out there regarding stuff that may conflict with religious beliefs is a lot of guesswork anyway, no hard facts for it. Evolution for example, it has never been proven, it is just a theory. So why teach a theory as fact? Shouldn't be.
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Why teach religon as fact? it is all hearsay and personal beliefs with no solid facts to back any of it up.

Science can prove things like the age of rocks, thus proving a minimum age of the Earth. We can prove that the Earth orbits the Sun and that the Earth is not the center of the universe, much like Christianity claimed 100's of years ago.

If crap like this continues the U.S. will be a 3rd world country in no time.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
jpeyton,

Why do you hate the United States of America? Why do you hate our constitution so much? I ask this as an honest question.

Why do you hate freedom so much?

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Oh, while you're at it point me to where the constitution says there must be a separation of church and state.
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

 
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: spidey07
jpeyton,

Why do you hate the United States of America? Why do you hate our constitution so much? I ask this as an honest question.

Why do you hate freedom so much?

-edit-
Oh, while you're at it point me to where the constitution says there must be a separation of church and state.
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
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Exactly. But nowhere is there mentioned separation of church and state.

All this bill does is following the US constitution - can't prohibit the free exercise.

"ARTICLE IV. RELIGIOUS EXPRESSION IN CLASS ASSIGNMENTS
Students may express their beliefs about religion in homework, artwork, and other written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of the submission by the student. Homework and classroom work shall be judged by ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance and against other legitimate pedagogical concerns identified by the school. Students shall not be penalized or rewarded on account of religious content. If the assignment given by a teacher involves writing a poem, the work of a student who submits a poem in the form of a prayer (for example, a psalm) should be judged on the basis of academic standards, including literary quality, and not penalized or rewarded on account of its religious content. "

That right there is called religious freedom. I don't see what the problem with it is, if anything it's MORE freedom. Not less.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: spidey07
jpeyton,

Why do you hate the United States of America? Why do you hate our constitution so much? I ask this as an honest question.

Why do you hate freedom so much?

-edit-
Oh, while you're at it point me to where the constitution says there must be a separation of church and state.
Click to expand...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
Click to expand...

Exactly. But nowhere is there mentioned separation of church and state.

All this bill does is following the US constitution - can't prohibit the free exercise.

"ARTICLE IV. RELIGIOUS EXPRESSION IN CLASS ASSIGNMENTS
Students may express their beliefs about religion in homework, artwork, and other written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of the submission by the student. Homework and classroom work shall be judged by ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance and against other legitimate pedagogical concerns identified by the school. Students shall not be penalized or rewarded on account of religious content. If the assignment given by a teacher involves writing a poem, the work of a student who submits a poem in the form of a prayer (for example, a psalm) should be judged on the basis of academic standards, including literary quality, and not penalized or rewarded on account of its religious content. "

That right there is called religious freedom. I don't see what the problem with it is, if anything it's MORE freedom. Not less.
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My belief and research on the topic is that the Amendment was written as a divider to not only protect the religious from the state but also the state from the religious.

In the Danbury Letters (correspondence between Danbury Ct. pastors and Thomas Jefferson), which are considered to be the defining documents on the intent of the founders regarding religion and the government, Jefferson wrote:

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.
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This has been the earliest that I have seen the phrase coined.
 
To me there is a difference between writing a poem that is in the form of a psalm and writing "6000 years" for the age of the Earth. One is an English assignment that can be judged on literary quality and grammar and such. Creative writing isn't the same as science. The other is a science question that has one correct answer... if anything they should just have to rephrase the question like MrChad pointed out.
 
That is reallllly stupid.
But if they want to screw themselves over, can we really stop it?
There is a reason that Oklahoma isn't the bastion of technological science and progress....and was never a source of all this information
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: spidey07
jpeyton,

Why do you hate the United States of America? Why do you hate our constitution so much? I ask this as an honest question.

Why do you hate freedom so much?

-edit-
Oh, while you're at it point me to where the constitution says there must be a separation of church and state.
Click to expand...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
Click to expand...

Exactly. But nowhere is there mentioned separation of church and state.

All this bill does is following the US constitution - can't prohibit the free exercise.

"ARTICLE IV. RELIGIOUS EXPRESSION IN CLASS ASSIGNMENTS
Students may express their beliefs about religion in homework, artwork, and other written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of the submission by the student. Homework and classroom work shall be judged by ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance and against other legitimate pedagogical concerns identified by the school. Students shall not be penalized or rewarded on account of religious content. If the assignment given by a teacher involves writing a poem, the work of a student who submits a poem in the form of a prayer (for example, a psalm) should be judged on the basis of academic standards, including literary quality, and not penalized or rewarded on account of its religious content. "

That right there is called religious freedom. I don't see what the problem with it is, if anything it's MORE freedom. Not less.
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I think the important issue is not with creative works (bad prayers, bad poetry, bad art, bad essays = bad grades) but rather with allowing religious people to answer however the hell they please, point to christianity, buddhism, islam, sikhism or whatever they believe in what ends up being a way to skimp on their own education.

i was sent to a christian school for a decade and, as a result, sorely lacked critical thinking skills and quite a bit of basic scientific understanding when i got out of high school.

<--- had to play catch-up for a while.
 
Originally posted by: Canai
WTF is wrong with Oklahoma? Is that where all the idiots migrate to?
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Most of the Southern states are like this... Alabama and Mississippi are much, much worse, for example.

The country has an astounding number of stupid people in it.
 
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
My Biology teacher told me that there was a story of a guy who put down that he couldn't answer the question on evolution on the AP exam because of his religious beliefs. Nevertheless, Jesus didn't help him there.
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Sounds about right, if you suck at Biology you shouldn't get any college credit for it 😛
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: spidey07
jpeyton,

Why do you hate the United States of America? Why do you hate our constitution so much? I ask this as an honest question.

Why do you hate freedom so much?

-edit-
Oh, while you're at it point me to where the constitution says there must be a separation of church and state.
Click to expand...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
Click to expand...

Exactly. But nowhere is there mentioned separation of church and state.

All this bill does is following the US constitution - can't prohibit the free exercise.

"ARTICLE IV. RELIGIOUS EXPRESSION IN CLASS ASSIGNMENTS
Students may express their beliefs about religion in homework, artwork, and other written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of the submission by the student. Homework and classroom work shall be judged by ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance and against other legitimate pedagogical concerns identified by the school. Students shall not be penalized or rewarded on account of religious content. If the assignment given by a teacher involves writing a poem, the work of a student who submits a poem in the form of a prayer (for example, a psalm) should be judged on the basis of academic standards, including literary quality, and not penalized or rewarded on account of its religious content. "

That right there is called religious freedom. I don't see what the problem with it is, if anything it's MORE freedom. Not less.
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If anything, you hate America because you want our students to be behind the rest of the world. You want America to fall behind in science and in education.

Spidey07, why do you hate America so much? If you really hate America so much that you seek to sabotage its education system, then I suggest you leave. Go move to the Middle East where they'd tolerate this sort of shit.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: spidey07
jpeyton,

Why do you hate the United States of America? Why do you hate our constitution so much? I ask this as an honest question.

Why do you hate freedom so much?

-edit-
Oh, while you're at it point me to where the constitution says there must be a separation of church and state.
Click to expand...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
Click to expand...

Exactly. But nowhere is there mentioned separation of church and state.

All this bill does is following the US constitution - can't prohibit the free exercise.

"ARTICLE IV. RELIGIOUS EXPRESSION IN CLASS ASSIGNMENTS
Students may express their beliefs about religion in homework, artwork, and other written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of the submission by the student. Homework and classroom work shall be judged by ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance and against other legitimate pedagogical concerns identified by the school. Students shall not be penalized or rewarded on account of religious content. If the assignment given by a teacher involves writing a poem, the work of a student who submits a poem in the form of a prayer (for example, a psalm) should be judged on the basis of academic standards, including literary quality, and not penalized or rewarded on account of its religious content. "

That right there is called religious freedom. I don't see what the problem with it is, if anything it's MORE freedom. Not less.
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Ha. Sure, a kid can turn in a psalm, but I bet the first kid who turns in a paean to Satan gets sent to the office.
 
Originally posted by: Eeezee
If anything, you hate America because you want our students to be behind the rest of the world. You want America to fall behind in science and in education.

Spidey07, why do you hate America so much? If you really hate America so much that you seek to sabotage its education system, then I suggest you leave. Go move to the Middle East where they'd tolerate this sort of shit.
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What?

This legislation is PREVENTING DISCRIMINATION. Isn't that what you want? Or just because it prevents the kind of discrimination you approve of you disagree with it?

Typical - you only want freedoms if you agree with them. The mindset of a liberal.
 
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
And the bible thumpers wonder why we educated people think they're stupid.
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yeah, because no educated people are religious, and no prestigious universities are religious either.
 
Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Considering that we don't know for sure how old the earth is, I see no problem.

Half the "science" out there regarding stuff that may conflict with religious beliefs is a lot of guesswork anyway, no hard facts for it. Evolution for example, it has never been proven, it is just a theory. So why teach a theory as fact? Shouldn't be.
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epic fail
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hey, at least it took about 1.5 pages for troll #1 to show up.

I'd say that's an improvement.
 
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