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SC says: Pay up Pro-life!

Viper1j

Diamond Member
Cool beans. Put your money where your hypocrisy is.


Groundbreaking South Carolina Bill: Compensate People for Forcing Them to Give Birth

The pre-filed bill would force a conversation in South Carolina—and hopefully nationwide—about whether anti-choice lawmakers who fancy themselves “pro-life” are actually that.

If South Carolina lawmakers are going to ban abortion after six weeks’ gestation and force every pregnant person to carry their pregnancy to term, the state should damn well pay for the costs associated with giving birth to and raising that child.
That’s the premise behind a bill called the South Carolina Pro Birth Accountability Act that state Sen. Mia McLeod pre-filed Wednesday, and boy howdy!—it is a barn burner.

The bill, SB 928, demands that anti-choice lawmakers in South Carolina who have proposed banning abortion at six weeks into pregnancy put their money where their mouth is: If lawmakers are going to force people to carry their pregnancies to term, and if they are going to deem the development of an unborn embryo as more important than the life and rights of pregnant people, then South Carolina should compensate them for acting as a gestational surrogate for the state of South Carolina.

The law points out that given the surrogacy market, a pregnant person’s uterus is not unlike a rental property: People who commission surrogates pay that surrogate to carry a fetus to term and to give birth to a child. So why should South Carolina be permitted to force its citizens to act as surrogates for the state without compensating them?

According to SB 928, South Carolina shouldn’t, and the legislation hammers this point home by making several key points:
  • That from a medical perspective, there is no dispute that a six-week-old embryo cannot exist outside of the womb;
  • That South Carolina has deemed the development of a six-week old embryo governmentally more important than the life and rights of pregnant people; and
  • That the six-week ban will force pregnant people who otherwise could have elected an abortion to act as a gestational surrogate for the state of South Carolina, which—and this is my favorite part—cannot itself physically conceive or carry a child.
And here’s the kicker: “just as South Carolina may not constitutionally use a citizen’s rental property without just compensation, it may not constitutionally require a woman to incubate a child without appropriate compensation.”

Whew. Finally, someone said it.

The compensation suggested in the legislation includes reasonable living, legal, medical, psychological, and psychiatric expenses that are directly related to prenatal, intrapartal, and postpartal periods. In addition, upon detection of a fetal heartbeat, a pregnant person may claim the fetus as a child for purposes of federal or state income tax credits or deductions. But it gets even better: Compensation also includes automatic eligibility to participate in a program that would pair a pregnant person with a specially trained nurse to provide home visits from early pregnancy through the child’s second birthday. Can you imagine? (By the way, this is de rigueur in countries like Sweden that actually give a shit about new parents.) Pregnant people would also be automatically eligible for any public assistance like TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families), SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), and WIC, and the law would prohibit reducing or suspending those benefits until the child is 18 years old.

But wait! There’s more!

If the pregnant person becomes disabled as the result of carrying the fetus to term, then the state must cover all medical expenses associated with the disability. Similarly, if the child is born with a congenital abnormality or disability, the state must cover all medical expenses associated with that disability for the rest of the child’s life. Also, South Carolina would be required to cover all costs associated with health, dental, and vision insurance until the child turns 18. And if the biological father of the child is unknown or unable to provide support, then the state must provide child support in the biological father’s stead.

I KNOW!

And then the grand finale: South Carolina must fully fund a college savings plan for the benefit of the child.

Inject this legislation directly into my veins.

In order to obtain compensation from the state under this law, a pregnant person would be required to file an affidavit with the Department of Social Services indicating that, but for South Carolina’s six-week ban, they would have chosen to terminate the pregnancy and not given birth to the child.

This is a groundbreaking law for two reasons. First, it gets to the heart of why anti-choicers are, by and large, hypocrites in their concern for fetuses but utter disregard for children. Far too many anti-choicers would gleefully force a pregnant person to give birth but then, once that child is born, want nothing to do with any programs or assistance that would enable new forced parents to raise that child. But more importantly, this law is drafted from a decidedly reproductive justice framework. (I don’t think it is a coincidence that McLeod is a Black woman.)

Remember, reproductive justice places equal importance on a pregnant person’s right to raise a child in a safe and healthy environment as it does on a pregnant person’s right to terminate a pregnancy. And considering that, according to the Guttmacher Institute, the top three reasons that people choose abortion are: (1) negative impact on the pregnant person’s life; (2) financial instability; and (3) an unwillingness to be a single parent, forcing pregnant people to give birth to children that they cannot pay for—and which will inevitably sink them further into poverty—is cruel.
The Pro Birth Accountability Act likely has no chance of passing given that Republicans have a stranglehold on South Carolina’s legislature, but the law will force a conversation in South Carolina—and hopefully nationwide—about whether anti-choice lawmakers who fancy themselves “pro-life” are actually that. Or whether, as I have suspected for some time now, these lawmakers are simply pro-birth.
 
But but... that means hypocritical holy roller shitheads would have to pay in order to force their religious beliefs on those dirty whores in need of punishment!

That's got to be irritating for people who hate women and are more used to taxpayer money being used to support their religious agenda. Sounds good to me.
 
That will never fly...or stand up in court when it's (repeatedly) challenged.

What's to stop every woman who gets pregnant from claiming she was forced to carry to term?
That's going to end up being the deal breaker. Just don't go to the doctor for six weeks then let the state pick up the tab for the next nineteen years.
 
Sounds like a no-brainer. Every pregnant woman should do it.
Also seems like a no-brainer that forcing a woman to bear and raise a child they never wanted is slavery.
Another no-brainer is that it's not really 'pro-life' to force a woman to bear an unwanted child, but then refuse to do so much as lift a finger for its care and upbringing in order to ensure that the child can live a healthy and normal life. Just ask the Romanian orphans.
And if a discussion around a system of just compensation to women for the govt taking of their bodies immediately turns to male suspicion about slut women abusing such it, then this leads to the no-brainer that the 'pro-life' isn't really about life at all, but the age-old conflict of male dominance and control of women's bodies and sexuality.

I would suggest (presumptuously I know) that if the goal is really about saving children's lives, that 'pro-lifers' remember that life usually continues long after birth, and that not every woman with an unwanted child is a slut who deserves to be saddled with a baby with no community assistance like some kind of scarlet letter.
 
I remember an episode in Freakanomics about Ceausescu, who barred abortions in Romania, and then those kids from troubled backgrounds grew up and had nothing to do, so they helped overthrow him and him and his wife got shot. Looks like Republicans really want to repeat the experiment, so we will wait patiently for the results from a safe distance.
 
SC has an easy out if they don't like it: stop pushing anti-choice bills.
Some people never get it that the laziest, most indifferent, and least effective way to solve any societal problem is to just pass some draconian law and then just wash their hands of the matter.
That never solves the problem, it only makes it worse.
 
Rather than trying to cast a little shade on me, why not address the issue?
Is it your contention that this system wouldn't be abused to death?
It is my contention that the 5th amendment to the Constitution states the govt may not take private property without just compensation. Thus, if you're genuinely concerned about abuse with regards to that compensation, you should first reconsider support for the govt taking.

And yes, a person's body is their private property.
 
It is my contention that the 5th amendment to the Constitution states the govt may not take private property without just compensation. Thus, if you're genuinely concerned about abuse with regards to that compensation, you should first reconsider support for the govt taking.

And yes, a person's body is their private property.
An interesting take on the issue. Exactly what private property is the government taking in this case? Though that's quite a ways off track from my opinion that the system will be abused to death.
 
Interesting topic. The state could just not try to control a woman's body and call it a day. Put up or shit pro-lifers, or are you really just pro-birthers.

Alternatively, carry on and be actual pro-lifers and live with your choice to control women's rights.

P.s. - won't matter of it's ripe for abuse, the current system in my state could be abused but it's on you to decide where your morals are.
 
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An interesting take on the issue. Exactly what private property is the government taking in this case? Though that's quite a ways off track from my opinion that the system will be abused to death.
A person's body is their private property. Forcing a woman to bring an unwanted pregnancy to term necessitates the govt's seizure of the woman's body for at least 9 months. If the govt were to force the woman to raise the child, then the seizure is indefinite and de facto slavery.

Legal theory in the US regarding private property is mostly built upon the concept of self-ownership. The fact that you own yourself, your own body, and thus the labor of your body, and so forth, is largely how you're able to own anything else.

So no, I am not off-track at all.
 
A person's body is their private property. Forcing a woman to bring an unwanted pregnancy to term necessitates the govt's seizure of the woman's body for at least 9 months. If the govt were to force the woman to raise the child, then the seizure is indefinite and de facto slavery.

Legal theory in the US regarding private property is mostly built upon the concept of self-ownership. The fact that you own yourself, your own body, and thus the labor of your body, and so forth, is largely how you're able to own anything else.

So no, I am not off-track at all.
I'll buy most of that. The slavery concept seems over the top but the rest seems to be a well reasoned argument. Thanks for the input.

You were off track though, my original comment was about how the system would be abused if enacted. You haven't responded to that.
 
That will never fly...or stand up in court when it's (repeatedly) challenged.

What's to stop every woman who gets pregnant from claiming she was forced to carry to term?

Hmmm.. The law?

An interesting take on the issue. Exactly what private property is the government taking in this case? Though that's quite a ways off track from my opinion that the system will be abused to death.

Offhand, I would say, her uterus?
 
Sounds like a no-brainer. Every pregnant woman should do it.

Pro-choice means, in the words of Madonna, "you can choose to keep the baby".

That's going to end up being the deal breaker. Just don't go to the doctor for six weeks then let the state pick up the tab for the next nineteen years.

You do realize that most women don't even realize they're pregnant, until they miss a period, which might be three to nine weeks
 
I'll buy most of that. The slavery concept seems over the top but the rest seems to be a well reasoned argument. Thanks for the input.

You were off track though, my original comment was about how the system would be abused if enacted. You haven't responded to that.

Yes, I have. The problem you present, that a system of providing just compensation for govt taking of private property is likely to lead to abuses, is most easily solved by stopping the govt takings.
 
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