Lost_in_the_HTTP
Lifer
- Nov 17, 2019
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cytg111
Lifer
- Mar 17, 2008
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Yes. More of that. Get in the fucking fight.
Its way way to late for that. Diplomacy is gone at this point, accept that you are in the fight now.
I’m sure the fact that we stuck to our principles will be very comforting when the GOP ends democracy in America.
People always wonder how democracies fell into fascism in the past, well it’s happening again right now. Maybe we should learn something from history?
K1052
Elite Member
- Aug 21, 2003
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Yeah, the GOP here is notably quiet about what happened last night because they know drawing more attention is a bad idea.
The bill was successfully killed until the fall special session. For those they say it’s childish of the Dem, all I have to say is fuck you. This bill was negotiated behind closed doors, added several harsh measures that weren’t in the original bills. The Dems were complete left out of the process.
If the GOP didn’t do a rule change in the senate it wouldn’t have ever made it out of the senate because they would have had to have Dem votes to pass. The gop plays dirty. The Dems need to wake the fuck up and do the same.
If the GOP didn’t do a rule change in the senate it wouldn’t have ever made it out of the senate because they would have had to have Dem votes to pass. The gop plays dirty. The Dems need to wake the fuck up and do the same.
After the Dems picked up some State Senate seats, The TX GOP made rules changes in the Senate at the beginning of the session to allow them to continue to pass bills without Dem support. Changing the rules of the game on the fly.
SB7 was negotiated behind closed doors without Dems being allows you participate. The resulting bill was substantially different than the bill passed by either chamber. Again the GOP changed 4-5 rules to try to cram a bill negotiated behind closed doors and voted on in the middle of the night through.
The GOP has been acting dirty all session. Fuck them. This is going on in all states controlled by the GOP. They don’t want bi partisan ship. It’s time for the Dems to start cramming stuff down their throats in blue states and at the National level.
Illinois is currently re-drawing district maps without Republican input. They, of course, are crying and whining like they havent been doing this crap all across the county forever.
Perhaps those motherfuckers and their hypocritical dumbfuck supporters should read up up geese and ganders. Or about the round about nature of shit going and coming.
Lost_in_the_HTTP
Lifer
- Nov 17, 2019
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ALL districts nationwide at all levels of Government should be established by non-partisan commissions. No party should have any involvement at all.
nickqt
Diamond Member
- Jan 15, 2015
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At some point enough people on BOTHSIDES are going to realize that the trajectory is already there, all we're doing is sliding towards it.
It's also why I scoff at the notion of some liberals that disarming themselves is a great idea - lets just let the military, Republican traitors, and the Minneapolis police department have firearms. Should work out great.
MrSquished
Lifer
- Jan 14, 2013
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I've been suggesting all progressives go start buying guns and gotten chastised for it by some fellow progressives.
hal2kilo
Lifer
- Feb 24, 2009
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C'sucker has no shame. Keep on being a traitor, you piece of shit, pardoned whore.
nickqt
Diamond Member
- Jan 15, 2015
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If you go far enough left, you get your guns back.
Also:
"The arming of the whole proletariat with rifles, guns, and ammunition must be carried out at once; we must prevent the revival of the old bourgeois militia, which has always been directed against the workers. Where the latter measure cannot be carried out, the workers must try to organize themselves into an independent guard, with their own chiefs and general staff, to put themselves under the order, not of the Government, but of the revolutionary authorities set up by the workers.
Where workers are employed in State service they must arm and organize in special corps, with chiefs chosen by themselves, or form part of the proletarian guard. Under no pretext must they give up their arms and equipment, and any attempt at disarmament must be forcibly resisted."
- What Karl Marx told us to do 170 years ago.
- What our enemies are doing now. Just replace "workers" with "white supremacists"
Feels like we're living in some movie timeline. Just some casual mention of a violent coup and barely anybody bats an eyelash.
"Splitting up the country" is simply logistically impossible, even if we had a decade of planning to do it. And really, the vast majority of people don't have the means to pack up and move to their preferred side, much less find a new job, school for their kids, etc. It would simply be madness. How do you restore local emergency infrastructure when for example, all the doctors in your town decide to move to the other side. It would be crippling for both sides.
Instead we are just looking at a one-state GOP authoritarian regime in the near future. Sure, people will flood the streets like in Belarus, but when has that changed anything? And people will change their tune real quick once the military starts showing up and mowing down protestors. The ones taken alive will probably have an even worse fate.
Voting may not be enough either, be it from new voter regulation laws or GOP state legislatures simply ignoring the will of the people.
I guess our only hope is that they are more of an incompetent regime than an actual malicious one.
"Splitting up the country" is simply logistically impossible, even if we had a decade of planning to do it. And really, the vast majority of people don't have the means to pack up and move to their preferred side, much less find a new job, school for their kids, etc. It would simply be madness. How do you restore local emergency infrastructure when for example, all the doctors in your town decide to move to the other side. It would be crippling for both sides.
Instead we are just looking at a one-state GOP authoritarian regime in the near future. Sure, people will flood the streets like in Belarus, but when has that changed anything? And people will change their tune real quick once the military starts showing up and mowing down protestors. The ones taken alive will probably have an even worse fate.
Voting may not be enough either, be it from new voter regulation laws or GOP state legislatures simply ignoring the will of the people.
I guess our only hope is that they are more of an incompetent regime than an actual malicious one.
As I understand this .... Abbott has threatened to veto the entire budget for the state legislature for the next two years over the Democratic walkout. Ignoring the point that this punishes the House Republicans who stood with him just as much as the Democrats (and the Senate, who passed the bill), there’s no more egregious break with democracy than denying a branch of government it’s basic ability to function. This wouldn’t just cut off legislator’s salaries – it would cut off their ability to hire staff, serve their constituents, conduct oversight, and do the basic work of legislating.
According to a friend of mine who has lived in Texas for 30 years - Texas has long been considered a “weak governor” state. The governor doesn’t have direct authority over state agencies, and the Lt. Governor has usually been considered the more powerful figure in state politics.
Abbott (building on a foundation laid by Rick Perry) has turned this dynamic on its head. He’s successfully seeded state agencies with loyalists willing to do his bidding. He’s directed agencies to submit rules to his office before they’re published, something he has no legal authority to require. He has enormously expanded his emergency powers, even pre-COVID. He’s expanded his line-item veto authority to allow him to essentially rewrite the budget. And he’s done all of this with nary a peep out of the Legislature.
If he gets away with this, then Texas is a gubernatorial dictatorship with a sham legislature that’s only allowed to function if it stays in the governor’s good graces.
According to a friend of mine who has lived in Texas for 30 years - Texas has long been considered a “weak governor” state. The governor doesn’t have direct authority over state agencies, and the Lt. Governor has usually been considered the more powerful figure in state politics.
Abbott (building on a foundation laid by Rick Perry) has turned this dynamic on its head. He’s successfully seeded state agencies with loyalists willing to do his bidding. He’s directed agencies to submit rules to his office before they’re published, something he has no legal authority to require. He has enormously expanded his emergency powers, even pre-COVID. He’s expanded his line-item veto authority to allow him to essentially rewrite the budget. And he’s done all of this with nary a peep out of the Legislature.
If he gets away with this, then Texas is a gubernatorial dictatorship with a sham legislature that’s only allowed to function if it stays in the governor’s good graces.
trenchfoot
Lifer
- Aug 5, 2000
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Sorta kidding on this when I say it wouldn't work because the Repub states who are heavily dependent on the tax revenues the blue states contribute to the federal coffer would eventually leave the union and join with the Dems in order to keep the welfare cash the Dems provide for them flowing into their poverty-stricken states, leaving the neo-fascist nation of Texas to fend for itself.
MrSquished
Lifer
- Jan 14, 2013
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Texas will be a shithole state soon enough if they keep running things as corruptly as this.
- Feb 6, 2002
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Where have we heard this before? Republicans in Texas are claiming the targeting of Sunday voting before election day was a "mistake". Isn't that the same shit claimed in GA? Directly target black citizens and when a bright light is shown on their suppression the claim "oh, it was a mistake". Show of hands, how many of you think this was an honest mistake?
Texas Republicans walk back Sunday restriction in voting bill | The Texas Tribune
Texas Republicans walk back Sunday restriction in voting bill | The Texas Tribune
- Oct 8, 2000
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Ha ha ha ha.
Honest mistake?
It's not in their vocabulary.
This sort of bullshit by the GQP is a feature not a bug.
Lost_in_the_HTTP
Lifer
- Nov 17, 2019
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Overall, I'd rather see a single day of voting. But I think we all have to realize those times are past. There are simply too many people now and too many more voting for it to be possible without very many more polling places to eliminate long lines.
Then again, I guess some think they can find ways to eliminate a lot of those voters.
Then again, I guess some think they can find ways to eliminate a lot of those voters.
SMOGZINN
Lifer
- Jun 17, 2005
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The craziest thing about this is that it won't even cut off the legislator's salaries, those are guaranteed by the Texas Constitution. Even if the budget is vetoed they still get paid. The Constitution directly states that their salaries can not be withheld. It only hurts the staff and other expenses.
Fenixgoon
Lifer
- Jun 30, 2003
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- Feb 6, 2002
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No different when Republicans recorded admitting exactly why they tried to enacted voter ID in PA
Give it long enough and these fuckers ALWAYS say the quiet part out loud.
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