Say it ain't so Alaska!

[DaBoneHead]

Regardless...

The people have spoken. It stays illegal. Why waste words now? It's over... go to bed.

 

[FettsBabe]

Pot is physically addictive. People also use to say cigs weren't addictive, but we have now found that there is a high probability that they are.



<< A man gets drunk and beats his wife, a man smoke weed, eats and falls asleep. >>



Where is your scientific proof that a man/woman who smoked pot never beat their spouse? Don't give me this crap. There are people who react differently to these substances. Therefore, you don't know with 100% certainity that this has never occured.

Woohoo, alcohol also makes some people sleepy!

 

[Teatowel]

Long term effects of alcohol:

alcoholic liver injury including fatty change, hepatitis, fibrosis, cirrhosis. liver failure leading to clotting factor deficiencies (purpura), ascites, encephalopathy (both Wernicke's and otherwise), hepato-renal syndrome, haematemesis from ruptured oesophageal varices, increased risk of liver infection due to reduced Kupffer cell number and function, hepatocellular carcinoma.

Alcoholic neuropathy (both acute and subacute), alcoholic polyneuropathy,, chronic pancreatitis, oral leukoplakia, thiamine deficiency, central pontine myelinosis, cardiomyopathy..the list goes on.

And of course, these are only the effects on yourself..alcoholic mothers give birth to low birth weight babies.

Plus the effects of people who are under the influence of alcohol on others.

Can you imaging the cost of alcohol on the total budget of healthcare, police etc?

 

[FettsBabe]

Yep, maybe we should sue. Why not? Everyone else is. I don't see the difference in tobacco lawsuits and potential alcohol lawsuits.

 

[bigvince]

well the diff there is that tobbaco companys hid the truth about cigs for years nobody ever hid anything about booze...



and remember......When you booze you lose

 

[ATLien247]

Smoking is not the best, nor safest way to ingest marijuana--it's just the most common. If you were to eliminate the risks of mouth, throat, and lung cancer by not smoking it, then you would have a moderately safe drug. I say moderately because any time a substance abnormally affects your brain, it can't always be a good thing.

Marijuana is not physiologically addictive, as far as I know. Any example of marijuana as a &quot;gateway drug&quot; can most likely be explained by a person's underlying social or mental problems.

 

[azazyel]

First of all I don't want pot legalized. I think that would be a bad idea. The last thing I want is the tobacco companies getting any more power. I say this because if it was legal who do you think has the best set up for producing it. Decriminalizing it is the best option.

In regards to Fetts, Alcohol is the gateway drug. I have yet to meet a pot smoke who had never drank before. When it comes down to it, it is a personality issue. Nothing, and I mean nothing is bad in moderation.



<< . I don't want a teacher who teaches my future kids smoking pot, I don't want the doctor who examines my kids smoking pot >>



What makes you think their not already? And if it was legalized do you really think that everyone in the US would run out and light up a dubie? No, of course not. Take a look at Europe. They have for the most part no drinking age yet the country is not full of Alcoholics. It is only when you make something out to be a big deal that it becomes one.

 

[BlkDragon6]

<< I don't want a teacher who teaches my future kids smoking pot, I don't want the doctor who examines my kids smoking pot >>



What a horrible argument. Let's change it to another drug that is already legal.

I don't want a teacher who teaches my future kids drinking alcohol, I don't want the doctor who examines my kids drinking alcohol.

 

[InTheClouds]

LEGALLIZE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!

 

[FettsBabe]

I'm talking about smoking pot in the breakroom in between class time. If it were legal it would be like taking a toke off of a cig.

I do know people who smoke pot but won't drink, and vice versa. I have other arguments WITH scientific proof, but it seems most of you guys have already killed most of your &quot;open mind&quot; brain cells, so why bother exlaining them to you.

Azazyel said &quot;Nothing, and I mean nothing is bad in moderation.&quot; Thats not true: cyanide is just one example, cigs are another, do you need me to go on?

 

[bigvince]

Fetts,

Again you are amazingly wrong!



<< I'm talking about smoking pot in the breakroom in between class time. If it were legal it would be like taking a toke off of a cig. >>




no it would be like drinking a fifth of vodka inbetween classes, no selfrespecting teacher would get drunk at work or get high at work.


really, put a little more thought into your posts....

 

[Jugernot]

I live in Alaska and can tell you that most people here definitly didn't want this to pass. If this law would have passed, people with previous marijuana convictions would have had their records cleaned.

Beleive me, this type of law will never pass in this modern day here.

If you don't believe me, look at the numbers! 61% against 39%

 

[hendon]

It seems that most of the people on this forum (or replying anyway) are pot-smokers who want to legalize pot. Well, do you think the rest of America thinks the same way as you?



Go, Fettsbabe, go ...

 

[bigvince]

im not saying that the rest of america feels the same way i do im just pointing out the obvious inconsistensies in Fetts' mostly irrational comments.

 

[Ultima200]

Yeah i was not talking about this particular law.... It would never happen.

 

[extra]

I live in alaska. Most people i know wanted it to pass, yes, i'm 17, but i'm talking about people that i know who are old enough to vote. Marijuana would have been regulated like alcohol, which is all fine and good. In other words, acceptable to use in your own home but not while driving, etc. However, the bill had some other junk tacked onto it, and that is why it didnt' pass...it said that the state would have to free the people jailed for marijuana use AND study on the feasibility of paying them back for the &quot;bad things&quot; that the state did to them.
--note--i don't smoke pot, drink alcohol, or smoke cigs, so this doesn't really affect me...however...for the record, i'll say that i know people who use pot OCCASIONALLY to relax and hang out with friends, and they say it enhances the quality of their lives if used in moderation. I know an ex-coke addict, and i know a family where alcoholism is prevelent. I don't know anyone who says occasionally getting drunk or getting addicted to cocaine enhances the quality of their lives. Grouping pot, coke, and alcohol together just isn't right at all.

 

[FettsBabe]

Vince - If it were legal they could use it whenever they wanted. You are saying that &quot;no selfrespecting teacher would get drunk at work or get high at work.&quot; Wow, I don't think any person that is self-respecting would get high by using pot.

Sorry, but your views on this are the minority (Alaska voted it down 2-1), and apparently more people have my most &quot;irrational&quot; views that your views on drug use. I bet most of you use pot regularly because you are the only one's complaining about it.

I'm getting ready to leave work, so see ya tomorrow.

 

[Wedesdo]

bigvince: irrational comments?

i think the one irrational is the one failing to recognize the role of marijuana in crimes, family trouble, and other amtters.

it probably destroyed your brain already

we DO NOT need a second cigrette

 

[bigvince]

<< i think the one irrational is the one failing to recognize the role of marijuana in crimes, family trouble, and other amtters >>



i recognize the role of marijuana in crimes etc. and it is NIL, NONE, KAPUT, the only factor that pot has in crime is that it has been unjustly criminalized.

far more people have gotten loaded and knocked over liquor stores that those that smoke pot.

people drink them selvs to death daily ....whens that last time you heard of someone OD&quot;ing from pot (let me answer that for you ...NEVER).

alchoholics are the abusive people that tear aprt families not pot heads.

when are you people gonna realize that marijuana has been demonized by the powers that be for thire own good not ours.

if they were so conserned with your well beeing why is alchohol so readaly accepted when it is far far worse for you than pot?

when you can answer these questions with legitamet answers and the sources to back them up please respond till then STFU!

 

[extra]

this isn't about what someone thinks is right or wrong. this is about giving people the right to do put what they want in their body's. but what about the children? everything these days seems to be &quot;for the children&quot;.
well, i am 17, and i can say this... right now, if i wanted to get high, i could. people in this town say we've got the best weed in the nation....and all i'd have to do is call up one of the many people i know who could hook me up RIGHT NOW.
if i wanted to get drunk...well...hmmm...lemme think...i could call up those friends, but wait, they couldn't get it, they are under 21...i could pay someone over 21 to get it for me..wait, i don't know anyone that would do that...grab it from my parents..wait, they dont' drink...
see my point? if you think pot use would rise among teens, think again.

 

[Ultima200]

FettsBabe- THe reason why our views are the minority is becase the MAJORITY is too THICKHEADED to become educated about cannabis. All of the people liek yourself belive all that propaganda bullshit.


Visit this site for the facts

 

[DABANSHEE]

&quot;I know plenty of people who smoked pot, and moved on to other substances because it was no longer a &quot;quality&quot; high. Drug use is worse than alcohol or at least thats my opinion and we all know what we say about opinions!!&quot;

Ah Fettsbabe, people who drink are just as likely to progress on to higher drugs in relation to people who don't drink, as the ratio is with pot in comparison with people who don't smoke pot.

&quot;Pot is physically addictive. People also use to say cigs weren't addictive, but we have now found that there is a high probability that they are.&quot;

Fettsbabe, any doctor will tell you that THC (the active ingrediant in pot) is not addictive. However just like every other sustance on the planet it is habit forming to that 10 or whatever percent of the population that has an adictive personality.

As far as 'protecting' your kids from any of this, it won't make any difference, if they are part of that 10 or whatever percentage that have addictive personality, they'l abuse drugs (&amp; that includes alcohol) no matter what you do (All one can do is provide emotional support the day they decide to give up). It only works in reverse - say a child gets molested by his/her step dad, or gets raped at the age of 15 or something, often it can turn a kid with a normal personality into one with an addictive personality, because they'l spend the rest of their lives trying to escape from their past (till they come to terms with it). One cannot turn someone with an addictive personality back into someone with a normal personality - that's why many recovering alcoholics will tell you they are one drink away from total destruction. Because even if they haven't had a drink in 15 years or something, they just need one drink &amp; they' be back on a bender drinking till nothings left or until they go on the wagon again.

Anyway as far as that percentage goes avaliability isnt a issue, if pot didn't exist they'd just get hooked on something else. That's why heroin addicts arn't model citizens on the rare occasion when heroin isnt avaliable, as they just become adddicted to drinking alcohol &amp;/or popping benzos or barbs. Which means they are worse off, as alcohol, barbituates &amp; benzodiazapam are all worse for the body than heroin narcotic analgesics are totally harmless to the body, people such as war veterans with shrapnel by the spine have been known to take analgesics*** for even 50 years straight without any negative side effects what so ever.). That's why doctors will often tell alcoholics that they'd be better off being heroin addicts.

*** 'Narcotic analgesics' is a medical term that covers synthetic opiods such as methadone, &amp; traditional opiods such as codeine, morphine, omnapom &amp; diamorphine (the name that mosts commonly used for prescription heroin in places like Switzerland &amp; the UK where its a legal pain control medication &amp; also used for heroin maintenance. Remember virtually all the negative side effects of heroin abuse comers from it's legal status. Wich makes it expensive, adulterated &amp; makes quality quantity inconsistent. Because its illegal people who use it end up having a very sordid lifestyle, also AIDS comes from its illegality - where heroin is cheap there's users don't 'have to' use the most efficient method of administration, ie injecting, look at the UK where some people on its restrictive heroin maintenance program actually receive there diamorphine in a smokable form (actually a cigarette, that's had the daily dose absorbed into it), also criminalisation often comes hand in hand with restrictive syringe avaliability. However in places like Australia, where there are govt funded needle exchanges in all towns IV drug users have a lower rate of HIV than even the general population in the syringe restrictive US (because IV drug users are often one of the main gateways of the virious into the wide community). This has been shown in the UK study comparing the 2 similar sized cities of Liverpool &amp; Edinborough - in Liverpool, where they had both govt funded needle exchanges &amp; diamorphine (prescription heroin) maintenance programs, the HIV rates stayed very low in both the general population &amp; the IV drug users; but in Edinborough where both needle exchanges &amp; diamporphine are illegal, the rate of HIV skyrocketed, both amonst the junkies &amp; to a slightly lesser extent the general adult population. Here in Australia the conservative govt which was initially against needle exchanges, change their mind once they had worked out how many millions they had saved (here the govt pays medical bills) through the needle exchsnge program.

&quot;...Drug use is worse than alcohol...&quot;

I'll let you in on a little secret Fettsbabe, alcohol is a drug.

&quot;BTW, its also pharmacutically incorrect to link any medication with another. All are different. I linked them together because they are illegal substances!&quot;

What illegality got to do with the price of eggs, FB? Are you saying that because Hearst, Dupont &amp; Anslinger conspired to get pot made illegal### &amp; that because alcohol was relegalised (as prohibition didn't work - do we ever learn anything from history?); that Alcohol is ok while pot is bad? Are you that wrapped up in doing what the govt tells you &amp; letting them dictate your morals?

### A new hemp fibre processing machine was invented that would make both Heast's woodchip plantations &amp; Dupont's new nylon product uncompetitive. So Anslinger (Duponts nephew) the bloke in charge of prohibition, was paid in blocks of Hearst &amp; dupont shares (this was found ourt after his death) to add hemp to the narcotic control list, it also let him justify a bigger budget. He convince Roosevelt by saying that it would help him justify appealing prohibition to the religious lobby if he could give them something else by banning hemp instead, after WWII Anslinger was put in charge of the UN narcotics board, when he then put hemp on the international register, which meant no country could get Marshal plan aid unless they too banned hemp. Anslinger was paid an even bigger block of Dupont shares for doing that)

 

[azazyel]

!!!!FettsBabe!!!!
FettsBabe
I am really curious now. What do you think getting &quot;high&quot; is like? Since you are such an authority on the subject this should be an easy question. Also, what type of people do you think smoke pot?

I know you will not read this post untill tomorrow so I will be waiting.

 

[FettsBabe]

I volunteer with several agencies and I know what drugs can do to a person. I have seen it in their lives and how it affects their family. You probably don't care, but you ought to come out of your world long enough to see what happens, however, I feel confident you won't.
I have learned there are many people you can help but there are others that simply refuse to ignore the facts.

Short term effects

Long term effects

Medicine and Driving

Baby

Other Facts

 

[desy]

Don't bother trying to use a medical argument cause the information is so poor. It was built upon many skewed tests and scare tactics and modified data that until it becomes a controlled substance with some real science behind it most won't beleive it.
You are forgetting the real cost of drugs which is the war on drugs, the doubling of the prison population in 10 years, filling the courts and money going into the hands of criminals instead of taxes.
There will always be substance abusers alcohol or otherwise and it is cheaper to treat them than render their families apart and waste the courts time and money spent locking them up.
If you would rather sink money into a lost cause, police enforcement, and not into treatment and medical programs, significantly cheaper, support the hard line of being tough on drugs. Lets see in the countries where its death if you are caught with drugs isn't enough of a deterent why do you think prison is?