So you're saying that street racers make up the 61 deaths per million difference?
I doubt that.
BTW the next time you see Honda Fit's, Toyota Prius', and Smart cars dragracing down the highway, let me know
So you're saying that street racers make up the 61 deaths per million difference?
I doubt that.
BTW the next time you see Honda Fit's, Toyota Prius', and Smart cars dragracing down the highway, let me know
OK, how about I take my truck and you drive whatever you're driving and we have a head on collision at 50MPH and see which vehicle is safest.
BTW, people buy SUV's and all sorts of other items not because they are "safe" but because that's what they want.
I like trucks, therefore I bought a truck.
You like little roller skate cars, therefore you buy little roller skate cars.
Stop projecting your inadiquacies and persoan l dislike for something as gospel and truth. Do you think the world should conform to just what you like?
In all the times a car has run into me (been hit 3 times by people running red lights or stop signs) it's all ways been a car. a Mercedes, a BMW and a Volkswagon. Come to think of it. Why are all people that drive german cars bad drivers?
I detect sarcasm, but just in case, I got to a take a ride in a 87 mustang while it did several tumbles down the highway.
Well then we need to get rid of subcompact cars, because obviously they only have one purpose and that is to street race.
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I commute over Highway CA-17, where most corners are riddled with long deep gouges from people's roofs as they flip and slide down the steep highway. Flipped SUVs are common enough to barely warrant a second glance. In fairness, I've even seen people flip Honda Accords on that highway (quite a feat to flip something like that!).
You see a lot of SUVs with their front ends stuffed into the mountain-side during rainy days, too. Instead of driving slower than everyone else due to their high weight and poor handling, they drive faster. The consequences are natural and predictable.
You see a lot of SUVs with their front ends stuffed into the mountain-side during rainy days, too. Instead of driving slower than everyone else due to their high weight and poor handling, they drive faster. The consequences are natural and predictable.
I got a Suburban wife has a Tahoe and I have a gas guzzling f250 diesel that I pull my tractor with.
Never had a problem with accidental deaths or rollover.
Been in a few accidents though so glad I was in the safe confines of an SUV
-fish
ps. They are fun to drive................
Never had a problem with accidental deaths or rollover.
Been in a few accidents though so glad I was in the safe confines of an SUV
-fish
ps. They are fun to drive................
ViviTheMage
Lifer
SURPRISE IT WAS A SUV, not an...damn!!
no one ever said they were safer...if in an accident, you would most likely kill the smaller car, but as you just pointed out, you'd be flipping over and getting killed just as much as a car/4door.
no one ever said they were safer...if in an accident, you would most likely kill the smaller car, but as you just pointed out, you'd be flipping over and getting killed just as much as a car/4door.
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Stability control will fix SUV rollovers
Numerous studies around the world confirm that ESC is highly effective in helping the driver maintain control of the car and saving lives and reducing the severity of crashes.[26] In the fall of 2004 in the U.S., the National Highway and Traffic Safety Administration confirmed the international studies, releasing results of a field study in the U.S. of ESC effectiveness. NHTSA concluded that ESC reduces crashes by 35%. Additionally, Sport utility vehicles (SUVs) with stability control are involved in 67% fewer accidents than SUVs without the system. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) issued its own study in June 2006 showing that up to 10,000 fatal US crashes could be avoided annually if all vehicles were equipped with ESC[27] The IIHS study concluded that ESC reduces the likelihood of all fatal crashes by 43%, fatal single-vehicle crashes by 56%, and fatal single-vehicle rollovers by 77-80%.
Vehicle weight at 4000lb is about opimum for all types of vehicles balance between handling and having enough metal around you if things go wrong
Numerous studies around the world confirm that ESC is highly effective in helping the driver maintain control of the car and saving lives and reducing the severity of crashes.[26] In the fall of 2004 in the U.S., the National Highway and Traffic Safety Administration confirmed the international studies, releasing results of a field study in the U.S. of ESC effectiveness. NHTSA concluded that ESC reduces crashes by 35%. Additionally, Sport utility vehicles (SUVs) with stability control are involved in 67% fewer accidents than SUVs without the system. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) issued its own study in June 2006 showing that up to 10,000 fatal US crashes could be avoided annually if all vehicles were equipped with ESC[27] The IIHS study concluded that ESC reduces the likelihood of all fatal crashes by 43%, fatal single-vehicle crashes by 56%, and fatal single-vehicle rollovers by 77-80%.
Vehicle weight at 4000lb is about opimum for all types of vehicles balance between handling and having enough metal around you if things go wrong
geokilla
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Thought I'd chip in. Not gonna read the thread though since it seems to be flame based and what not.
SUVs will never be safer in a car. Sure it might be safer if a huge truck or w/e crashes into you, but come on, it's a truck. It's like crashing a motorcycle against a train. Well you get the idea. I once saw a pickup spin out on the highway (good conditions), and luckily it just came to a stop. If he was going any faster, he woulda probably rolled for sure.
So what's the point with Americans loving their big SUVs and stuff? Do you really need a SUV? I mean come on, just a larger family sedan like the Accord or Camry should be good enough for your day to day needs. Plus they're way more fuel efficient than SUVs.
SUVs will never be safer in a car. Sure it might be safer if a huge truck or w/e crashes into you, but come on, it's a truck. It's like crashing a motorcycle against a train. Well you get the idea. I once saw a pickup spin out on the highway (good conditions), and luckily it just came to a stop. If he was going any faster, he woulda probably rolled for sure.
So what's the point with Americans loving their big SUVs and stuff? Do you really need a SUV? I mean come on, just a larger family sedan like the Accord or Camry should be good enough for your day to day needs. Plus they're way more fuel efficient than SUVs.
SparkyJJO
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Up north, 4WD and ground clearance for all the snow
Plus you can haul stuff that you can't in a car, stuff that you don't want to get wet like it would in a pickup, can carry more people than a pickup, and (depending on the SUV) can hold more people than a car and/or more comfortably. Plus you can tow stuff.
I can think of many uses for SUVs. Not saying everyone uses one for that, but oh well. I want one for the 4WD and ground clearance for winter. Bottomed out in my car and that's fun to dig out.
Raduque
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I witnessed a rollover accident once, and guess what? It wasn't an SUV. It was an Eclipse. Now what?
Oh, and rollovers happen because people don't know how to drive. You can roll anything if you're stupid enough.
I slide my truck sideways all the time, especially in the rain, haven't had a rollover yet(4x4 HD suspension so it sits higher, etc).
During the winter, I wish I had an SUV. My car just doesn't have enough ground clearance, and 4WD would be a very nice bonus. Anything can roll over, it's generally a matter of how badly somebody fucked up.
Capt Caveman
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What's more likely to happen? Rollover or a crash with another vehicle? If I'm going to be in a car crash, I'd rather be in the SUV.
In New England, having 4wd and clearance is a blessing during the winter. And a sedan isn't going to cut it when I need to transport bikes, 3 dogs and 4 people on the weekends.
Who the fuck are you to tell me or anyone what we need.
Next you're gonna tell everyone that they don't need houses, and only need small apartments. Since all you need it for is to sleep in, right?
So if your saying that even 1 per million is insignificant, you're a total asshole to everyone who has lost a love one in a car accident.
Let say your mom was the one of the 1 per million...still insignificant?
rh71
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This argument of NEED comes up more than most. Let's focus on it, once again.
SUVs are favorable because they have the capability to do more with just 1 vehicle. Even if someone doesn't need all of its abilities 50, 75, 99% of the time, the capability is there when needed, even if it's just once a month. I don't care if you think you see 1 person in it "most of the time." Ask yourself this - if you're buying a house long term - do you buy one just big enough for 2 people? Why are there usually 3 bedrooms, or 2 baths? What about 400hp in a sports car? What about Ipods? Who here listens to 120gb of music and NEEDS that all at once? Same factor in all cases. I'll bet everyone here has a case or 10 of luxury over need.
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