Saw a new 2010 Ford Taurus SHO driving today

[LTC8K6]

It's AWD. I think 25MPG is fair considering it's big, heavy and sporting AWD.

It's fair, but it doesn't sound all ecoboosty... 😀

It would probably be 28mpg with just rear wheel drive and imagine the peel outs you could do. 😀

I guess with the platform being FWD, they were unable to do anything about torque steer so AWD was it for the SHO.

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

that's so sad

What's so sad? It belonged to my dad and I am somewhat attached to it. I had the money to get it repaired. I knew what I was doing. When my dad decided he could not drive any more, he signed the car over to me.

It runs like a champ now. It gets about 28mpg on the highway. It has the optional disc brakes on the rear, also. It's a great car for runing around town with, and it's a nice highway cruiser. The body and interior are in great shape. The A/C is still leak free and works well. I also put 4 expensive Goodyear Assurance Tripletreds on it and they are great tires. It also has Sirius in it.

Being a 1995, it is also exempt from the expensive OBD2 inspection fee.

You can get 6 people in it, easy. 😀

It keeps the miles down on my new Jeep.

I grew up driving a 1991 Sable and I loved that car for the same reasons. Dependable (until after it was passed down to the sister and the transmission grenaded), lots of room for passengers.

The stereo worked and the air conditioning worked. I didn't need much else back then.

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
My BMW goes faster and gets better MPG. I win.

How would it fare in a crash test with it 😛?

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
I guess with the platform being FWD, they were unable to do anything about torque steer so AWD was it for the SHO.

You'd be amazed at what a limited slip, equal-length halfshafts, and good suspension design can do. I don't get any torque steer in the S70, but the Impala I'm renting this week has it bad. Both cars have similar power output, but one suffers from torque steer while the other doesn't really.

Of course, neither are putting out the amount of power that the SHO will be. 😉 Given the limitations of the platform I think you're absolutely right that they didn't have much option.

Heaven help me, but I can't help thinking of what that engine could do in the old Crown Vic platform. A Marauder with the power it should have had. Or in a Mark IX coupe from Lincoln. Lincoln really needs a successor to the Mark VIII; a legitimate RWD sports-luxury coupe could really help the brand's image.

ZV

 

[LTC8K6]

According to the wiki article, the engine can scale up to 4.0L too. It should be in a Cobra Mustang in some form.

 

[DarkThinker]

*CPU: Might go fast in a straight line?
User: Check

*CPU: No Manual option for V6 ?
User: You bet!

*CPU: No RWD?
User: You know it 😉

*CPU: Is FWD?
User: Not FWD....Pheeeeeew...

*CPU: Is it a car that undergoes a continuous design and re-design process or does company keep bringing new models in and out like a freaking mole in a field?
User: Hell NO in and out all the way!

*CPU: hehe....Is car made to compete with German cars maybe?
User: They might think it could I guess...
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*CPU: Processing........ HAHA User....Is it an American car?"
User: YES! WOW!

Guys this new 6 questions game is awesome!

 

[Falloutboy]

its nice looking and specs aren't bad, but for the money the G8 is better. why does a push rod v8 still run circles around all these high tech engines? seriously GM can build a damn good motor, then you look at there newer I4s and V6s and its amazing the fuel economy and power they get out of them. puts anything in there price range to shame from asia or europe

 

[LTC8K6]

What will "run circles" around 0-60 in 4.8 seconds?

Certainly not the G8 GXP, and it gets much worse fuel economy, so how is it better?

 

[LTC8K6]

GM's 3.6L DI V6 has far less power and gets about the same fuel economy as Ford's Ecoboosted Cyclone 3.5L.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
The SHO should have the EcoBoost 3.5L, a 6 speed manual, and be rear wheel drive if they want to sell a lot of them, imo.

What country do you live in? No one in the US buys manual (sadly)...definitely not the kind of numbers that would equate to "sell well". It's going to be AWD...which isn't rear wheel drive...but it is loads better than FWD for a performance car with this much power...and it will et the EcoBoost.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
I'd probably consider the 335xi if I was looking for a fast, luxurious, AWD sedan in the $40K range.

I just think AWD was the wrong way to go with the SHO.

Have you priced a 335xi...good luck getting a new one even close to 40K...let alone 38K. You'll get a bare bones in the high 40's...and a loaded in the 50's.

 

[LTC8K6]

The SHO is a niche car anyway, so it should be offered with a manual like it used to have. How many $40K Taurii can they sell anyway? A manual should drop the price by about a grand.

Invoice on a 09 335Xi is $39K National Average is $40K according to the internet...

The base SHO is not well equipped either.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
What will "run circles" around 0-60 in 4.8 seconds?

Certainly not the G8 GXP, and it gets much worse fuel economy, so how is it better?

the G8 GXP will be stiff competition. any idea how heavy the taurus SHO is? i know the G8 is 4000lbs, so if the SHO is the same, the G8 GXP will be up on power and torque.

 

[LTC8K6]

They run about the same 0-60 times according to various sources.

Not even in the neighborhood of running circles around the SHO.

And 5 less mpg on the highway and 2 less in the city for the GXP.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
According to the wiki article, the engine can scale up to 4.0L too. It should be in a Cobra Mustang in some form.

I'd like to see that. I really fucking would. I'd really like to see Ford bring back a bunch of different Mustangs like they had in the past.

Mustang V6
Mustang GT
Mustang Boss 5.0L
Mustang Eco-Boost (with IRS plz)
Mustang GT 500

 

[thedarkwolf]

The plain jane v6 mustang needs to become a 4 banger ecoboost 250hp car. The GT should loose the V8 and get the 3.5l ecoboost. The V8 GT and Boss don't make a lot of sense to me when the 3.5l ecoboost originally made 415hp when it was called the twin force and they didn't care so much about fuel mileage and having to keep FWD based transmissions alive.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
The plain jane v6 mustang needs to become a 4 banger ecoboost 250hp car. The GT should loose the V8 and get the 3.5l ecoboost. The V8 GT and Boss don't make a lot of sense to me when the 3.5l ecoboost originally made 415hp when it was called the twin force and they didn't care so much about fuel mileage and having to keep FWD based transmissions alive.

i think the mustang community would kill ford if they took the V8 out from the GT. the V8 is what makes the GT the iconic pony car.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
The SHO is a niche car anyway, so it should be offered with a manual like it used to have. How many $40K Taurii can they sell anyway? A manual should drop the price by about a grand.

Manual trans prices are often more expensive than the automatic equipeed cars and the car manufactuerers lose money on them. The GB GXP's manual trans is a $695 option over the automatic trans that comes standard.

Primarily due to the number of units produced as more than 90% of all autos sold in the US are equipped with an automatic trans.

 

[TehMac]

Pretty cool car, sad to see it only in automatic, now it only has 255.5 of its bhp.

 

[LTC8K6]

Manual trans prices are often more expensive than the automatic equipeed cars and the car manufactuerers lose money on them. The GB GXP's manual trans is a $695 option over the automatic trans that comes standard.

Primarily due to the number of units produced as more than 90% of all autos sold in the US are equipped with an automatic trans.

Yes, we know.

I am sure $695 will bother lots of buyers of $40K cars who would otherwise purchase...

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
What will "run circles" around 0-60 in 4.8 seconds?

Certainly not the G8 GXP, and it gets much worse fuel economy, so how is it better?

Where are you getting this number from? Because Ford said the SHO should be comparable to a 550i, which Motor Trend tested at 4.8secs? I hope you have something a little more concrete than that.

MotorTrend tested an actual G8 GXP, and recorded a 0-60 of 4.5secs. Which may not be running circles around, but is distinctly faster than an imaginary indirectly derived 4.8.

First Test: 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP

 

[RKS]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
The plain jane v6 mustang needs to become a 4 banger ecoboost 250hp car. The GT should loose the V8 and get the 3.5l ecoboost. The V8 GT and Boss don't make a lot of sense to me when the 3.5l ecoboost originally made 415hp when it was called the twin force and they didn't care so much about fuel mileage and having to keep FWD based transmissions alive.

i think the mustang community would kill ford if they took the V8 out from the GT. the V8 is what makes the GT the iconic pony car.

The Probe (turbo 6?) was slated to take the place of the Mustang and failed. Even the Mustang SVO didn't last long.

 

[LTC8K6]

Q]Where are you getting this number from?[/quote]

Motor Trend article linked in this very thread...

I have seen slower numbers for the GXP, but let's use 4.5 anyway.

Do you think 4.5 is "running circles around" 4.8?

I don't. They are pretty much the same, given normal variables when making 0-60 runs.

Then consider that one is AWD and gets much better FE...

Then consider driving in bad weather...

Who is running circles around who?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Q]Where are you getting this number from?

Motor Trend article linked in this very thread...

I have seen slower numbers for the GXP, but let's use 4.5 anyway.

Do you think 4.5 is "running circles around" 4.8?

I don't. They are pretty much the same, given normal variables when making 0-60 runs.

Then consider that one is AWD and gets much better FE...

Then consider driving in bad weather...

Who is running circles around who?[/quote]

how about track performance? 😛 the GXP should be much better suited, i'd think. but only a real test will tell 🙂

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Q]Where are you getting this number from?

Motor Trend article linked in this very thread...

I have seen slower numbers for the GXP, but let's use 4.5 anyway.

Do you think 4.5 is "running circles around" 4.8?

I don't. They are pretty much the same, given normal variables when making 0-60 runs.

Then consider that one is AWD and gets much better FE...

Then consider driving in bad weather...

Who is running circles around who?[/quote]

Probably still the GXP, because it will be the one spinning in circles while the SHO will be going in a straight line. But that's not the point, you're grasping bringing that up, performance in snow is irrelevant as far as track perfromance and 0-60 times. And again, there are no real numbers for the SHO. Ford themselves aren't even quoting actual numbers. Considering the SHO is a foot longer than the 550i and 7 inches longer than the GXP, plus has AWD, it's highly unlikely it's going to weigh the same or less than either of those vehicles, while making the same power as the 550, and considerably less than the GXP. The performance comparison to the 550i sounds rather dubious. Lots of cars have been compared to BMW's performance wise in marketing, only to not live up to the hype. The G8 was one of the rare ones that actually did.