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Saw a Bose store today at the shopping centre.

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You know, a couple of years ago my friend was looking for some speakers for his living room. He asked me if this particular 5.1 HTiB for $300 was any good. I told him those are shit, and to go audition speakers with me. We went BB Magnolia and to make a long story short, he ended up getting an Onkyo AVR with a pair of $3K Martin Logan Purity speakers. He's much happier now. 🙂

Good job, you're a real friend but I am not sure if his wallet likes you LOL. That's the point, once people get out there and look and listen to quality gears, they don't mind spending the money. There is a difference.

I fined tune my audio system last night. I moved some speakers around, spent hours adjusting the sub levels, ran MultEQXT about 10 times, switched my main speakers to small and routed all the lows to the subs. I did not really like the sound coming out of the center speaker so I paired it with a dipole speaker and shifted the cross over for the center to 60 HZ. Let me tell you, wow. The music moves you. It's beautiful. It sounds sooo good. The Prometheus ship shakes the entire house during the landing all in DTS Master Audio. The voices are crystal clear, it's a thing of beauty.

The entire audio system cost me a bit north of $2000 and it is eons ahead of any Bose crap. Denon 1712 AVR, full 7 surround Klipsch matching speakers set, two subwoofers, one 250 W Klipsh and one home made 500 W sealed unit with a 12" driver and 15" passive radiator.



Check my sig for pictures.

I would spend a lot more on high quality audio if I had the money and I know it would make a huge difference.

The guys in the audio forum got me interested in building an IB sub now. I am looking into it and it could be built at a reasonable cost.

People who buy Bose don't know good audio. They are ignorant. Pity them.
 
so how many people do you know that have done this? i don't think i've ever seen one person in life actually say anything like this. but i have seen WAY more people talk shit about bose, just like in this thread, which isn't surprising because this is atot after all.

STFU, Bose IS shit. Period. Is there something you don't understand?
 
it's cool to hate on bose.

i'd be pretty surprised if more than 5% of the people hating on bose in this thread has actually hear their expensive speakers. i actually heard them this weekend while in a store demo'ing home theater furniture and they sounded pretty nice. no clue on the price though, but they sounded decent.

the bose system in my g37s also sounds phenomenal.

First headphones I bought, in the mid 70s, were Bose and I liked them. They were solid, comfortable, and had a lot more bass and natural sound compared to most headphones nowadays, which sound like the highs are emphasized so much as to make the sound shrill.
 
i replaced bose speakers in 2 different cars (one of which is mine) and the difference was night and day. this is including the removal of the 5th tiny bass module they stick under the seat.
 
Bose speakers are so bad that Bose doesn't even publish their basic specifications like frequency response or SNR.
 
Bose speakers are so bad that Bose doesn't even publish their basic specifications like frequency response or SNR.

They're beyond simple science silly base human!

Just ask Cheez, he'll know. He's one of the elite transcended as well after all.
 
They're beyond simple science silly base human!

Just ask Cheez, he'll know. He's one of the elite transcended as well after all.

Even cheez got rid of his Bose system.

Check this threads at the AVS forum.

While your there, search for other threads he created recently, it's a hoot.
 
Bose makes some pretty good noise cancellation headphones. But haters will be haters.

word.

I refuse to fly if i do not have my QC3's and the Bose aviation headsets are way better than David-Clarks aviation ANR's.

oh and posting in Bose hate thread #89
 
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setup is part of it. it's like saying dslrs help your photos magically become better. if you setup the sound system properly I bet you 95% of people won't be able to tell.

with regards to the photo thing, yeah there are defining features like depth of field, but unless you pixel peep which really isn't photography I can pull off the same images on my S95 as my Canon 7D.

It depends on their motivation to even care.

Proper sound stage setup is crucial, I absolutely agree, and can help make bad audio acceptable, especially if you are more visually oriented and get sucked into the picture more than the reproduced sound stage.


Many people would be able to tell apart the audio if you guided them along.

Honestly, some people will probably prefer the Bose (depending on what it is compared to). They might like a "tinny" sound without much warmth. Maybe their ears have terrible frequency response to midrange frequencies (this is regarding the small cube speakers - car audio can be different. I've heard bose car audio that I actually liked - but they were at least 4-5" cones/woofers with a separate tweeter component, larger than most Bose home audio products)

As for telling apart the audio, as I alluded to earlier, some people just won't be paying attention enough, even if you guide them through a test. They might sound remarkably different, the two test kits, and someone won't notice. Especially if it's a complex compilation of sounds utilizing spatial sound stage effects all over the place. To the "uninitiated" that and that alone might be what draws attention, and they might even marvel at the whole experience. And when it comes time to decide, they default to bias and product image.
Use selected sound samples, like some classical music, or better yet some clean but complex rock: any horns/wind-type instrument in the mix definitely helps, otherwise good mix of high guitar notes, clearly present bass and clean drums presents a lot of opportunity to sample a full frequency response with minimal spatial imaging. Repeat the exact same audio section on both sets (don't use the first minute for one set, and then the second minute of a song for the other set). Movies are great and better to demonstrate spatial imaging and frequency response throughout each speaker in a set, especially for matched surround sets or even for mixed sets (different model lines or even different brands for front/center/side/rear/surround/sub), but samples can be hit and miss. With movies and the wrong samples, the "uninitiated" will be lost in the experience and not pick up on the cues that spell out major differences.

An easy way to tell with center speakers, at least, is vocal selections (movie or music) that don't have much other distractions going on. The difference between a shitty center and better center speaker can be almost painfully obvious when reproducing voices. At least, assuming you present very different center speakers. Compare to similar speakers, it might not be much different sounding; present two vastly different speakers, if they don't pick up on a difference (picking "better" or "worse" not being the point here), they should be smacked upside the head with the heaviest textbook you can find, if not with the lower quality speaker itself. 😉 (chucking it like a baseball might be a bit much, but it's up to your discretion 😛)

Point being - for a good test/demonstration, you have to be crafty in removing them from the experience and training them to focus on frequencies.

If the physical sound stage is the same for both speaker sets, how well it reproduces the "best experience" in design/layout does not matter. If you compare two sets but they have two different setups, it's not an equal comparison and does not accomplish the task (with honesty).
Some high-end speaker shops will do that. The best brands will be in one sound-proofed demo room, mid-range in another, their lowest end in another. Comparing across vast price ranges can be a mixed bag, because the sound stage might not be as efficient, or even remotely optimal, in a particular room.
Any shop that is devious like that is probably more apt to group them by profit margin - lowest margin in a less-efficient demo room, highest margins in the laser-measured and acoustically perfect demo room. 😛
To be fair, I have no idea if many, if any at all, actually stoop to that level. Typically the worst case scenario in my mind is a shifty salesman if anything. 😉
 
Actually no they dont.
When the airforce saw how shitty those things were they cancelled the project and Bose was forced to sell them on the consumer market.

link or just bullshit you pulled out of the air to look all bad?

have you even used a Bose aviation headset? Also Capt Cavechicken was talking about AUDIO ANR headphones so i have no idea why you brought up aviation HEADSETS.

http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/product/14866

4.5 out of 5 stars (consumer review)


see the difference?

Bose-AE2-promo-holiday12.jpg
 
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I fined tune my audio system last night. I moved some speakers around, spent hours adjusting the sub levels, ran MultEQXT about 10 times, switched my main speakers to small and routed all the lows to the subs. I did not really like the sound coming out of the center speaker so I paired it with a dipole speaker and shifted the cross over for the center to 60 HZ. Let me tell you, wow

OCD? I hear there are good treatments for it now.
 
Post #13 of this thread.

i read that and again no source. the author of that bose hate novel does not cite where he got his info.
this line right here is why i think he is full of shit. David/Clark were the ONLY headsets used by the military for decades. so how in the hell could bose win the contract because bose is a more established name? lol
Bose won the contract over two other companies simply because of their "more established name" (brand recognition)

funny thing is the Bose aviation headset has been voted #1 by pilots for the past 9 years.

http://www.topaviationheadsets.com/category/bose/

but this thread is about bose speakers, i have no opinion of bose speakers because i dont have any. but I do have a set of bose Qc3's and the aviation headset and in my opinion they are the best on the market.
 
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