Save time - use Hibernate instead of Shut Down!

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Works fine here on both my Dell's and my Thinkpad.

Bill

Just so we're clear, you have a system that enters STR(no fans on) and can be woken up with a USB KB or mouse?

 

[sak]

regardless of what u pay for the comp. its prob nothing more than a few dollars per month.. i am sure ppl can afford the rates.

also my coments about STR thingi is specific to my machine. but i have used a few newer Mobo and configurations and all of them seem to go totally of when turn of all the devices that can get ur computers attention...

come to think of it..they dont have to be USB devices either....it can be a PS/2 mouse that can interupt and wake up a system also...

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: sak

come to think of it..they dont have to be USB devices either....it can be a PS/2 mouse that can interupt and wake up a system also...

PS/2 devices are different. They require no special support and work fine to wake the system. But it's been no go on the USB side.

 

[prosaic]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: bsobel

Works fine here on both my Dell's and my Thinkpad.

Bill

Just so we're clear, you have a system that enters STR(no fans on) and can be woken up with a USB KB or mouse?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have three of them sitting in front of me at the moment: Toshiba Libretto L5 (notebook that I like to use an external USB mouse on), Sony VAIO PCV-RX462DS, Sony VAIO PCV-RX780G. The other systems here aren't ever placed into standby, but I'll give a couple of them a shot to see if any of them have issues with it when I get a chance. As a matter of fact, I was surprised when I learned that I could resume from STR by just moving the USB mouse on my digital studio systems. I really didn't particularly like the feature. We have cats.

- prosaic

Edit: I just realized that I should post back to clarify something re the above assertion. All three of these computers use proprietary applets for handling at least some of their power management features, with the Toshiba's power management features being truly extensive. Do you suppose the OEMs provide this capability (waking from stand by with USB devices) through proprietary workarounds? I'll have to try this on one of the machines with a retail OS installation.

 

[VBboy]

I am trying the STR (S3) tonight, but I bet it will crap out and not come back again And all I have is the videocard, DVDRW, and a USB mouse! And whoever is doing the wattage calculations is forgetting that the motherboard itself consuming electricity...

 

[0roo0roo]

ah kewl, i had no idea there were different str modes before. i just thought my fans staying on was a quirk had to disable all the usb wakeup devices, they really don't make this obvious

 

[MasterSamwise]

America is still the only country where one goes into the other room to open mail because 2 minutes in the microwave is too long..


For christ sake just WAIT.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: MasterSamwise
America is still the only country where one goes into the other room to open mail because 2 minutes in the microwave is too long..
For christ sake just WAIT.

Was this in response to ANYTHING in this thread or are you just a NEF?
Bill

 

[MasterSamwise]

Yes.. it's my veiw on boot times..

As well as general impatience. Good things come to those who wait.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: MasterSamwise
America is still the only country where one goes into the other room to open mail because 2 minutes in the microwave is too long..


For christ sake just WAIT.

Thanks for that thoroughly uselsess reply. Go away now.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: prosaic

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have three of them sitting in front of me at the moment: Toshiba Libretto L5 (notebook that I like to use an external USB mouse on), Sony VAIO PCV-RX462DS, Sony VAIO PCV-RX780G. The other systems here aren't ever placed into standby, but I'll give a couple of them a shot to see if any of them have issues with it when I get a chance. As a matter of fact, I was surprised when I learned that I could resume from STR by just moving the USB mouse on my digital studio systems. I really didn't particularly like the feature. We have cats.

- prosaic

Edit: I just realized that I should post back to clarify something re the above assertion. All three of these computers use proprietary applets for handling at least some of their power management features, with the Toshiba's power management features being truly extensive. Do you suppose the OEMs provide this capability (waking from stand by with USB devices) through proprietary workarounds? I'll have to try this on one of the machines with a retail OS installation.

I don't mean to be a pain, but are you sure all your systems are dead silent with not a fan spinning in standby? I don't think the applets would matter, they're just interfaces for ACPI which is all the OS.

 

[jaeger66]

Are any of you who CAN get STR to wake from USB using a Microsoft product(kb/mouse) to wake?

 

[prosaic]

I don't mean to be a pain, but are you sure all your systems are dead silent with not a fan spinning in standby? I don't think the applets would matter, they're just interfaces for ACPI which is all the OS.

If there's a fan running in there somewhere my old ears can't detect it. The VAIO Digital Studios and the Toshiba Libretto are VERY quiet, but I do hear a tiny bit of fan noise from the VAIOs when they're running. The notebook, of course, runs its fan as needed. It uses a Crusoe processor and runs silent and LONG (about 12 hours) if you let all of the power management features do their thing.

I'm thinking that the proprietary power management applets are allowing access to features of the BIOS that are not exposed (or at least not very friggin easy to find) in the normal BIOS setup screens on these particular machines. It looks to me as though WinXP has the final say in how the BIOS behaves. The little Toshiba doesn't even allow the user to get into any kind of BIOS setup screen outside the OS -- unless there's a trick that I can't decipher from the manual, written in Japanese. The only control the user has at boot time is a little menu of icons that allows a choice of the boot mode (internal drive, external drives of various kinds, NICs, etc.)

The Toshiba's power management applet is a wondrous thing to behold, and it provides the only access to power management features when booted into WinXP. (If you try to use the regular built-in GUI tool it shunts you to the proprietary Toshiba applet. Toshiba has long been a proponent of extra features in machine control, and they've mostly done a pretty good job of providing good ones IME.

The VAIOs do allow use of the standard GUI controls, but they add a few extra choices in the OEM version of the OS. And they make use of a Timer Recording Manager applet that apparently influences Power Management -- apparently in the interest of not letting Power Management interfere with the systems' ability to record from the capture cards when you've set them up to grab something off of cable or satellite. One of the VAIOs had a standard retail WinXP image on it for a while, but I reverted to the OEM image because none of the proprietary Sony video software would install on the retail image. (Slightly annoying because I would prefer having more control over the way the partitions are set up than the OEM restore CDs allow.) I don't think that this system behaved the same then, WRT resuming from stand by, as it does now.

BTW, I installed some USB mice and keyboards on a couple of other more standard systems (All use retail OS installations) we have around here, and those systems would not recover from stand by through manipulation of the USB IO devices. They do recover from stand by with input from a standard keyboard or mouse, however. I would point out that the Toshiba notebook is extremely unusual among notebooks in that it is the ONLY one I've seen that recovered from stand by in this manner. Most notebooks won't even recover using input from the built-in keyboard. You simply have to press the power switch if you want them to resume. To me that's the only arrangement that makes sense on a portable computing device.

- prosaic

 

[prosaic]

America is still the only country where one goes into the other room to open mail because 2 minutes in the microwave is too long..

I don't know about that. I've seen some pretty impatient people in other parts of the world. It's just that most of them didn't have microwaves. *rimshot*

Sorry.

But I do believe that most of us could stand to chill out a little. I only use stand by to keep OTHER people from waiting. If I'm going to a meeting and will be using a notebook as a source of information I leave it closed but in stand by with the apps I need already opened on the desktop. When it's time to refer to it, I open the notebook, resume, get the data, and then put it back in stand by and close it. (I'm not one of those people who sits there typing like a court stenographer during meetings. Unless its actually something that needs to be done.)

- prosaic

 

[glugglug]

And whoever is doing the wattage calculations is forgetting that the motherboard itself consuming electricity...

Actually no. Even an overclocked 2800+ or 3.06GHz P4 will consume less than 25W when idle. The 50W estimate includes the mobo & other components within the case in a normal system (Does not include monitor or any laser printer). -- And its a very generous estimate at that -- some OEM desktop cases like the compaq ultraslim ones only have a 50W power supply for when the system is running at peak usage.

Note: idle of course means not running SETI or other CPU-intensive background tasks, and assumes you aren't using a directX/openGL screensaver on your Geforce FX -- if you keep perfmon running while the monitor powersaving feature kicks in, you can see when you come back that all the standard openGL screensavers actually keep running even AFTER the monitor signal has shut off.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: MasterSamwise
America is still the only country where one goes into the other room to open mail because 2 minutes in the microwave is too long..

How big are the microwaves in your country?!

Or are the people just really small?

And why would you get in the microwave to read the mail?

 

[prosaic]

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Jokes are like women -- moaners and groaners are the best ones!

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: bsobel

Works fine here on both my Dell's and my Thinkpad.

Bill

It stopped working on one of my systems - Windows 2000. You would try to go into hibernate and the system would just lock up. I really like hibernate but you have to be real careful not to change your hardware when you are in hibernate. If you do just once, you probably won't forget the experience. So I've been told - never done it.

 

[2ndgunman]

Originally posted by: bsobel

I mention accesory buildup as I have a powerstrip that plugs into a free usb port, kills the speakers, printer, etc when the system goes into hibernate or standby.

I gotta ask..............where did you find something like this? I don't think I've ever seen that before.

 

[bsobel]

I gotta ask..............where did you find something like this? I don't think I've ever seen that before.

Actually RadioShack sells them now. The power strip has 6 'normal plugs' and 4 'usb controlled'. It includes a cable that runs into a usb port, when it sees power on the usb port it turns the 4 controlled plugs on, and off when the port loses power. I run my speakers, label printer, etc into those plugs and it works great.

Bill

 

[2ndgunman]

That's pretty cool. I guess I'll have to get one of those. Thanks!!

 

[AnMig]

Actually RadioShack sells them now. The power strip has 6 'normal plugs' and 4 'usb controlled'. It includes a cable that runs into a usb port, when it sees power on the usb port it turns the 4 controlled plugs on, and off when the port loses power. I run my speakers, label printer, etc into those plugs and it works great.

I have to get one of these too. how much where they?

I have been using our computers as a alarm clock and have it set to wake up at a certain time so that the alarm clock program will work
I have the bios set to "RTC" .

Something like this will help preserve those ac to dc adaptors by turning off when the cpu goes into standby

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: 2ndgunman
That's pretty cool. I guess I'll have to get one of those. Thanks!!

Here is the part.
Bill