Save The Internet

dchakrab

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Haven't visited here in a while, and I was stunned to see that there isn't more dialog on this.

We're about to lose the internet. Right now. It's happening. The United States just voted to allow telcos to give preferential treatment to anyone who can pay for it. This means that Google, for example, may no longer be the best search engine...you can't use it, because someone else paid SBC more, so your DSL connection no longer allows it. I may not be able to use Sunrocket VOIP because Comcast blocks it in favor of Comcast's VOIP service (more than twice the price, and half the features).

Sound nuts? It is nuts. The internet was built on the model of an open network which placed no value judgements on what content was made available. Imagine how this could change if money and the telcos controlled everything.

Some of you are Republican. Some of you are Democrat. Some others dislike both parties. Imagine if someone from the other party cut a deal with your internet service provider. For example, if SBC said hey, we're not going to allow access to any Democratic sites, because the Republicans give us nice tax cuts. So all you see online is constructive criticism and praise of the Republican party and harsh criticism of the Democrats. Or, if Bin Laden turns out to have more money than either party, all we see is OsamaSpace instead of MySpace, because MySpace couldn't pay enough to keep from getting blocked.

Is this the internet we want? Should AT have to pay to reach my computer? Actually, they should...and they DO. They pay tons of money for hosting and bandwidth. Why charge them even more just to let the telcos make some more money? How many of you use CraigsList? Should Craigslist vanish overnight because they couldn't pay SBCs protection money?

AND THIS IS HAPPENING NOW. AOL has already started bouncing any emails that criticize AOL or mention their new email filtering policy. Mention the website dearaol.com and the email bounces, with no notice to the recipient, claiming the user doesn't exist. We're not even allowed to communicate differing views, because AOL doesn't want us to. How long before Time Warner simply doesn't allow access to websites and blogs that criticize AOL or any of their other companies?

A telco in Canada did this already, cutting access to websites sympathetic to a union group they were negotiating with.

Our politicians are selling us out. I called Bobby Rush's office today, and was told that this was being done because his constituency demanded lower cable bills. Great...so putting more money in the hands of the telcos is going to lower my cable bill?

Tons more information and factual backing for this available here: Save The Internet.

I'd like to see the AT effect pound Congress, for once. Whichever side of the political fence you're on, I fail to see how any AT user could possibly think the internet needs to die this way. How do we do this? Should we call start making calls, writing letters, what?

AT mods...I've never asked for a sticky before, but I'd like to think this is important enough to warrant one (if not a front-page mention on AT).

Dave.
 

dchakrab

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Great article. Interesting that the telcos want to create national franchising. What this means is that local municipalities will no longer be able to require agreements with carriers to deploy broadband to poorer neighborhoods, or to rural areas, or to fund community technology programs, etc. The bill also bumps the FCC out of the equation, making it impossible for them to enforce or even try to preserve net neutrality.

"e-commerce sites should pay more because they benefit from broadband pipes" ...what? Why? E-commerce sites pay more anyway...their costs of doing business are high, much higher than what I spend on my internet connection. Do you pay because you use the road? Are private companies sitting out there in the street charging you every time you use their road, on their block, to get to your house? Can they charge the mailman if he brings mail to your door...or even better, charge Fedex so much that they go out of business, because UPS struck a deal with them beforehand?

That's what we're talking about here. It's pretty serious.

Dave.
 
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I agree. This is the MOST important freedom of speech issue so far in the 21st century. Telcos CANNOT favor one telephone # over another, why should one URL get benefits over another?
 

eilute

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I don't see anything wrong with the current system. I don't place a high value on streaming video from CNN, or Fox News. It's bad enough that CBS controls the FM band.

Could this become a free speech issue? I mean the internet is no different than anything else. I don't have to pay fees to picket outside the Capitol. I shouldn't have to pay fees online either.
 

DealMonkey

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Wow, this is f'd up. I would suggest Congress should be looking at ways to BETTER enforce network neutrality. That's what makes the Internet a level playing field.
 

OrByte

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Honestly I thought this "save the internet" stuff was a joke at first...

..boy looks like I am waay wrong. :eek:

 

imported_Aelius

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You can call me paranoid but this is another step towards a police state. Why?

Well if you control what people can or cannot see then who is to say what happend? History books in schools are bad enough with extremely slanted missleading or outright missing information but this would mean easy access to a massive database of information with multiple sources for checking facts etc will be gone. It will be impossible to research on anything the government or big business it whores itself out for says.

My friends, if this goes thorugh, we are truly deeply fvcked.

If Canada doesn't have such law already it will soon, watch the EU and other so called democratic nations follow suit.
 

dchakrab

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The important question is, what do we do about it?

There was nothing wrong with the internet as it's existed all of this time, precisely because the internet was a "dumb" network, like a road system, which made no value judgements and had no bias. Of course, we pay to use the roads (taxes) and we pay to use the internet, too. But to hand over control to corporate owned monopolies is ludicrous. We decided this years ago when we laid the smack down on Windows for unfair competition against Netscape, remember? The idea is that monopolies need regulation to keep them from getting out of hand.

So what next? How do we turn the fury of the AT effect on our legislators, so at the very least they know that KNOW they sold us out? Seriously, that's what we're talking about. Making a fuss. Yelling. Roasting Bobby Rush voodoo dolls on our blogs. If they know people are upset by this, they'll back down...the telcos were relying on slipping this past without a lot of people throwing the spotlight on it.

D.

 

dchakrab

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Originally posted by: Aelius
You can call me paranoid but this is another step towards a police state. Why?

Well if you control what people can or cannot see then who is to say what happend? History books in schools are bad enough with extremely slanted missleading or outright missing information but this would mean easy access to a massive database of information with multiple sources for checking facts etc will be gone. It will be impossible to research on anything the government or big business it whores itself out for says.

My friends, if this goes thorugh, we are truly deeply fvcked.

If Canada doesn't have such law already it will soon, watch the EU and other so called democratic nations follow suit.



Agreed. The internet has the potential to present alternative arguments, and to really empower a population that has very limited freedom of speech in other areas, despite what we'd like to pretend.

I actually disagree with you on one thing, though...I don't think other countries are going to follow suit. I think they're going to JUMP on the chance to stick it to the US. We were #1 in internet useage once, you know. Now we're 16, and dropping fast. The US INSISTS on keeping complete control over the internet as a medium. If this goes through, look to other nations to build an alternative. After all, US firms only own the fiber here in the US. I doubt international companies are going to like being charged to reach US users. More than likely, markets will simply move overseas, leaving the US to slide further back in the information age.

Honestly, the internet is important to me. I would move if it meant getting away from this kind of bias. If this was in effect all over the nation, I think it'd be an absolute travesty of everything we like to think of ourselves.

Dave.
 

imported_Aelius

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
This is a report. And for balance...the bill in the House that would turn over control to telecom companies was shot down yesterday. So no need to get nervous.

Well that's nice. Watch for other bills where this will be slipped into without any big fan faire.
 

shortylickens

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Originally posted by: dchakrab
The important question is, what do we do about it?
Quit voting the same asshole Democrats and Republicans into congress each time. Encourage your friends and neighbors to do the same.

The problem with that is: As soon as they get into office the lobbyists will target them and the whole mess starts over again.
 

blackangst1

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What part of "This bill has already been shot down yesterday" dont you guys understand? It's not an issue...
 

Future Shock

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
What part of "This bill has already been shot down yesterday" dont you guys understand? It's not an issue...

Not to be cynical, but is this bill shot down in the same way the Arctic drilling was shot down...5 times at last count? And is now up for a 6th time?

Future Shock
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Future Shock
Originally posted by: blackangst1
What part of "This bill has already been shot down yesterday" dont you guys understand? It's not an issue...

Not to be cynical, but is this bill shot down in the same way the Arctic drilling was shot down...5 times at last count? And is now up for a 6th time?

Future Shock


No, not the same. The bill was introduced to re-write the telecom act of 1996 so it's not just some small bill. It doesnt look like it will be reintroduced anytime soon. And it's too big to be an "add-on".
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Future Shock
Originally posted by: blackangst1
What part of "This bill has already been shot down yesterday" dont you guys understand? It's not an issue...

Not to be cynical, but is this bill shot down in the same way the Arctic drilling was shot down...5 times at last count? And is now up for a 6th time?

Future Shock


No, not the same. The bill was introduced to re-write the telecom act of 1996 so it's not just some small bill. It doesnt look like it will be reintroduced anytime soon. And it's too big to be an "add-on".

If things were truly in a state where we don't need to worry, this would never have even come CLOSE to being an issue. The telcom companies would have proposed this idiot idea, and they would have been laughed out of Washington...and a series of article in the Washington Post and the New York Times would have them scrambling over each other to denounce the plan and reassure their customers that they would NEVER in a million years support something like this.

That's not what happened, and while it appears we're safe for the moment, you have to be kind of slow to look at the situation and conclude we can sit back and relax.