Save PBS (and more importantly, NOVA/FRONTLINE)!

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0roo0roo

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Who says people want to watch unbiased stuff anyways? Fox News' popularity is *because* it's biased. Most people don't want to hear the otherside. *shrug*
anyways, you want balance, watch both sides, use multiple sources. Same with fact checking. The networks will monitor themselves, see Dan Rather.
You're not going to get a real popular "down the middle" show, at least not at the same rate as you're getting peddling to one side or the other.

hah, the networks are afraid to go in depth on anything. it costs too much money, and the risk of being called biased is too high. the partisan hackery of biased media is never fact checked as facts and fairness are not in their vocabulary. pbs is great for those who don't feel like listening to the hackery of both sides to learn the truth because it doesn't work that way. its just emptiness, a void of real information that separates the two. just bullsh*t of pandering to the audience and its biases. it is where the market clearly fails.

and clearly the programming of pbs goes beyond just news.

I have watched it, did you read my last post? Don't tell me you're going to bring up the *motorcycle shows that mostly appear on *1* of their channels as an example...

Again, you can't draw a decent comparison for the life of your argument. There is a place for public schools as you can't get an alternate for free. However, I can get other TV programming for free. Again, there is no need for the service to be provided by the gov't that I can get *for FREE* elsewhere.

no, there is no equivalent free tv programming or radio programming for free. there is only free programming of other types and quality..mostly of lower quality. the market forces have proven themselves incapable of making any equivalent to pbs, let alone something better. just fact free dumbed down hate mongering partisan hackery.+ safe substance free fluff such as the jacko trial.

i'm sure you can get free tuition at many islamic fundamentalist schools if you are into that.

When will it end...? Now your comparing military expenditures to gov't programmed TV?

O.K.

Here's the distinction, I'll spell it out for you nice and simple.

While I don't expect you to agree with the pricipals of the Iraq war, I do expect you to realize we NEED military.
Gov't programming isn't necessary. While I'm not arguing it's use (what shows they show), like you are with the military (what wars we fight), we are discussing it's NEED.

PBS isn't needed. Libraries, schools, and the military are.

we need the military, but it is debatable whether we need the iraq war. and no nothing is necessary. libraries aren't necessary. parks aren't necessary, public funded research isn't necessary..nasa isn't necessary, public education isn't necessary, museums are not necessary. all public works are uncessary except the military and police. but not if we want a stronger society and not simply try to get by with the minimum expenditure just to keep breathing and nothing more.

 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
$178,376,885,000 so far for iraq. and quibble over pbs? reality distortion is in progress.
Umm, you're the one who posted "save PBS". If we shouldn't worry, why the thread?

Really are you *trying* to make this a BS Iraq war debate thread?

edit: typos.


wtf? we wouldn't worry about the relatively tiny budget of pbs if it weren't under the threat of being cut. wheres your logic. its the whole point. the iraq war is simply for reference.
 

Phoenix86

Lifer
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*head home to watch NBC/ABC/whateverBC and won't pay $ for it*

See ya tomorrow. :beer::) till then.
 

Cawchy87

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Good to see so many other people enjoy thoughtful programs on tv as well. Thanks for your support ATOT.

(BTW, what the heck was pornographic about my last thread?)
 

Maverick

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They're funded by the government? whaaaat? All this time I thought they were around because of viewers like me :(
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Cawchy87
Good to see so many other people enjoy thoughtful programs on tv as well. Thanks for your support ATOT.

(BTW, what the heck was pornographic about my last thread?)

someone put in a dirty link
 

Siva

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PBS is the only informative channel on television that isn't crap.

CNN is absolutely terrible, what they consider news is appalling and MSNBC is almost as bad. Fox News isn't news at all. The fact that Bill O'Reilly is on the air makes it juts a little bit more difficult to sleep at night. CourtTV is a bunch of girls gossiping about the famous person on trial of the week. Discovery is about a disfunctional motorcycle building family. Discovery Health has went from one of the most amazing channels on TV to some twisted kind of American Idol for burn victims, who's the grossest. The History Channel is the same show about Hitler over and over again, and their recreations of historical eventus using terrible actors dressed in stupid looking costumes need to be stopped. PBS is the one channel I can still rely on to allow me watch TV without becoming as dumb as a rock. NOVA is television at its best.
 
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Here is an email from my US Rep Baldwin (D) that I got in response to an email I sent her a few weeks ago.
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Thank you for contacting me regarding funding for the
Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB). It is good to hear from
you.

As you may know, public broadcasting was established by
Congress in 1967 with the creation of the Corporation for Public
Broadcasting. CPB is a private, nonprofit corporation mandated to
provide nationwide radio and television programming to further
the educational and cultural interests of the American people. One
avenue through which CPB does this is by providing funding to the
Public Broadcasting Service (PBS), a private, non-profit media
outlet that produces and distributes programs. Although created as
an independent entity, the CPB is accountable to Congress for its
faithful execution of its statutory mandate, expenditure of
appropriated funds, and adherence to policy conditions set by
Congress. Funding levels are set two years in advance of all media
stations receiving their funds from the CPB.

On June 16, 2005, the House Appropriations Committee reported
out of committee the fiscal year 2006 Labor, Health and Human
Services, and Education (LHHS) Appropriations bill (H.R. 3010)
that included a $100 million funding cut for CPB, as well as a plan
to eliminate all funding for the CPB within two years. During
floor consideration of the H.R. 3010, Representative Obey (D-WI)
offered an amendment (H.Amdt. 343) that restored funding for
CPB to its FY 2005 level of $400 million. I voted for this
amendment, which was passed by a vote of 284 to 140. The
LHHS funding bill passed the House on June 24, 2005 by a vote of
250 to 151 and has been sent to the Senate, where it is awaiting
consideration. The proposed cuts would have reduced CPB
formula grants to Wisconsin Public Television and Wisconsin
Public radio stations by nearly 45 percent.

I was outraged by the proposed funding cuts to public
broadcasting. I believe it is vital to provide adequate funding for
public broadcasting. For 38 years, public broadcasting has been a
staple in millions of households across the nation, serving the
public as a source for education, entertainment, and news.
Students, parents, children, teachers, and the public have turned to
public broadcasting for its outstanding educational resources and in
depth programs.

Many of the calls and letters to my office came from constituents
who wanted to share moving stories about how public television
and public radio have impacted their lives and the lives of their
children. There is no other media outlet that serves Americans the
way that public broadcasting does.

As journalist Bill Moyers wrote recently,

..public television was meant to do what the market
will not do. From the outset we believed there should
be one channel not only free from commercials but
free from commercial values; a channel that does not
represent an economic exploitation of life; whose
purpose is not to please as many consumers as
possible, in order to get as much advertising as
possible, in order to sell as many products as possible;
one channel - at least one - whose success is measured
not by the numbers who watch but by the imprint left
on those who do.

Certainly, the same can be said for public radio. I am appalled at
this attempt to destroy an American institution. I can assure you
that I will continue to fight for full funding for the Corporation for
Public Broadcasting.
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