Saul Alinsky?s Roadmap to the Whitehouse

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Saul Alinsky?s son: ?Obama learned his lesson well?
By Judi McLeod Tuesday, September 2, 2008


In Artful Dodger style, Barack Obama, plays down his mentorship with Communist author Saul Alinsky. But Alinsky?s son, L. David Alinsky, credits Obama for ?learning his lesson well? from the Communist guru.

Indeed, Alinsky Jr. who credits his late father for the success of last week?s Democratic National Convention, may have done something that Obama?s detractors couldn?t: blown the cover on the presidential hopeful?s communist leanings.

No one can blame Alinsky for the pretentiousness of the Ancient Greek Temple from which Obama addressed plebes, or for the tacky neon colours on display at the Pepsi Centre, but it was Alinsky who wrote Rules for Radicals, the bible of the far left.

Says Alinsky?s son L. David Alinsky of his father?s influence at the Dem Convention: ?ALL the elements were present: the individual stories told by real people of their situation and hardships, the packed-to-the rafters crowd, the crowd?s chanting of key phrases and names, the action on the spot of texting and phoning to show instant support and commitment to jump into the political battle, the rallying selections of music, the setting of the agenda by the power people.?

?The Democratic National Convention had all the elements of the perfectly organized event, Saul Alinsky style, the Communist guru?s son wrote in a letter published yesterday in the Boston Globe.

The Artful Dodger may be less than pleased that he has been pegged as a Saul Alinsky Poster Boy by the guru?s own son.

?Barack Obama?s training in Chicago by the great community organizers is showing its effectiveness,? Alinsky Jr. wrote to the Globe. ?It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama learned his lesson well.

?I am proud to see that my father?s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.?

Alinsky should be reminded that the West has stared down communism everywhere it has raised its hideous head.

influencing a Democratic convention from the grave pales in comparison to the results that followed President Ronald Reagan?s famous words, ?Mr. Gorbachev, take down this wall.?

The commonsense and freedom-loving Gipper would have chuckled at the audacity of Obama?s Ancient Greek Temple stage setting and would have told Obama what he told the world: ?All great change in America begins at the dinner table.?

Reagan also said: ?I have seen the rise and fall of Nazi tyranny, the subsequent cold war and the nuclear nightmare that for 50 years haunted the dreams of children everywhere. During that time my generation defeated totalitarianism. As a result, your world is poised for better tomorrows. What will you do on your journey??

?Alinsky considered himself a realist above all, the ultimate pragmatist.? (American Thinker, Aug. 30, 2008). ?As a confirmed atheist, Alinsky believed that the here and now is all there is, and therefore had no qualms about assorted versions of morality in the pursuit of worldly power. He didn?t coddle his radical acolytes or encourage their bourgeois distinctions between good and evil when it came to transferring power from the Haves to the Have Nots. Alinsky saw the already formed church communities as being the perfect springboards for agitation and creating bonds for demanding goods and services.?

Obama followed the same path.


It is a fact that activist-cum senator Barack Hussein Obama started off his career as an activist with a position as a community organizer for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) of the Calumet Community Religious conference (CCRC) in Chicago. Both the CCRC and the DCP were built on the Alinsky model of community agitation, wherein paid organizers learned, in Alinsky?s own words, how to ?rub raw the sores of discontent?.

Meanwhile L. David Alinsky, perhaps unwittingly put Obama into the proper perspective by stating without reservation: ?Obama learned his lesson well.?
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Lame-duck weekend. Discuss.

 

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Originally posted by: techs
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(yet another Obama is a communist thread)

Employing a strategy that a communist uses does not make one a communist. However, I would be completely shocked if someday we don't see a thesis penned by Obama about the person named in the subject matter at hand.

The power of community activism is powerful. I take it you believe it to be a communist thing?
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: techs
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(yet another Obama is a communist thread)

Employing a strategy that a communist uses does not make one a communist. However, I would be completely shocked if someday we don't see a thesis penned by Obama about the person named in the subject matter at hand.

The power of community activism is powerful. I take it you believe it to be a communist thing?

I suspect one day McCain will write a book praising Hitler!
 

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Discuss? Discuss what?

The ramblings of Judi McLeod, founder of the Canada Free Press (as if this was some sort of media outlet and not some free rag given out at bars and restaurants) who thought the mob was behind 9/11?

The same Judi McLeod who has appeared on Newsmax.com, the Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, and World Net Daily?

No thanks. Much better things to read than read yet another right wing nut job's fantasies.
 

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Discuss? Discuss what?

The ramblings of Judi McLeod, founder of the Canada Free Press (as if this was some sort of media outlet and not some free rag given out at bars and restaurants) who thought the mob was behind 9/11?

The same Judi McLeod who has appeared on Newsmax.com, the Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, and World Net Daily?

No thanks. Much better things to read than read yet another right wing nut job's fantasies.
Ok bye.
 

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"Saul Alinsky was the founder of community organizing and was born in January 1909."

Saul David Alinsky (January 30, 1909, Chicago, Illinois - June 12, 1972, Carmel, California) is generally considered to be the founder of community organizing.

Alinsky was born in Chicago in 1909, the only son of Russian Jewish immigrant parents. He was educated first in the streets of that city and then in its university. He did graduate work at the University of Chicago in the field of criminology. His ideology and concepts of mass organization and work in organizing the poor has been internationally recognized.

In the 1930s, Alinsky organized the Back of the Yards neighborhood in Chicago (made infamous by Upton Sinclair's novel The Jungle for the horrific working conditions in the Union Stock Yards). He went on to found the Industrial Areas Foundation while organizing the Woodlawn neighborhood, which trained organizers and assisted in the founding of community organizations around the country. In Rules for Radicals (his final work, published in 1971 one year before his death), he addressed the 1960s generation of radicals, outlining his views on organizing for mass power. In the first chapter, opening paragraph of the book Alinsky writes, "What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away". The documentary, "The Democratic Promise: Saul Alinsky and His Legacy," claims that "Alinsky championed new ways to organize the poor and powerless that created a backyard revolution in cities across America."

Alinsky codified and wrote a clear set of rules for community organizing. His rules for radicals are now used as key tactics to learn in the training of new community organizers.

Alinsky is often credited with laying the foundation for the grassroots political organizing that dominated the 1960s. Later in his life he encouraged stockholders in public corporations to lend their votes to "proxies", who would vote at annual stockholders meetings in favor of social justice. While his grassroots style took hold in American activism, his call to stockholders to share their power with disenfranchised working poor only began to take hold in U.S. progressive circles in the 1990s, when shareholder actions were organized against American corporations.

Alinsky was a critic of a passive and ineffective mainstream liberalism. In Rules for Radicals, he argued that the most effective means are whatever will achieve the desired ends, and that an intermediate end for radicals should be democracy because of its relative ease to work within to achieve other ends of social justice. In 1969, he was awarded the Pacem


 

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Good for him. So the big question is: So what?

Good God. What do you know about Obama, except for what he has told you and allowed you to see? Don't you have any desire to know what makes the man tick?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Discuss? Discuss what?

The ramblings of Judi McLeod, founder of the Canada Free Press (as if this was some sort of media outlet and not some free rag given out at bars and restaurants) who thought the mob was behind 9/11?

The same Judi McLeod who has appeared on Newsmax.com, the Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, and World Net Daily?

No thanks. Much better things to read than read yet another right wing nut job's fantasies.

Ozoned doesn't carry about the validity of his sources, just that he can find something to back up his conspiracy theory du jour.

Someone could easily point out that all of Atwater's tactics are present in the McCain campaign, and how those were derived in large part from the Nazis, and how Ozoned right here is playing out one of Atwater's "boogie men" with Alinsky (who he probably didn't even know of before today), but his conspiracy theorizing only works one way.
 

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Discuss? Discuss what?

The ramblings of Judi McLeod, founder of the Canada Free Press (as if this was some sort of media outlet and not some free rag given out at bars and restaurants) who thought the mob was behind 9/11?

The same Judi McLeod who has appeared on Newsmax.com, the Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, and World Net Daily?

No thanks. Much better things to read than read yet another right wing nut job's fantasies.

Ozoned doesn't carry about the validity of his sources, just that he can find something to back up his conspiracy theory du jour.

Someone could easily point out that all of Atwater's tactics are present in the McCain campaign, and how those were derived in large part from the Nazis, and how Ozoned right here is playing out one of Atwater's "boogie men" with Alinsky (who he probably didn't even know of before today), but his conspiracy theorizing only works one way.
Absolutely. I hate carrying about all of that baggage. :)

 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: sandorski
Good for him. So the big question is: So what?

Good God. What do you know about Obama, except for what he has told you and allowed you to see? Don't you have any desire to know what makes the man tick?

I suspect you already know more about Obama than you do McCain. Perhaps you should find out before making a big mistake on Tuesday.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: sandorski
Good for him. So the big question is: So what?

Good God. What do you know about Obama, except for what he has told you and allowed you to see? Don't you have any desire to know what makes the man tick?

I suspect you already know more about Obama than you do McCain. Perhaps you should find out before making a big mistake on Tuesday.

What I know about Obama is that he votes green. Not to much more out there.
 

Vic

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BTW, I can't find any credible sources to verify that Alinsky was a communist.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: Vic
BTW, I can't find any credible sources to verify that Alinsky was a communist.

Well then, I will just take communism out of the discussion, and I'll take a hard look at the tenents of community activism...The nuts and bolts.
 

Jhhnn

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Originally posted by: Vic
BTW, I can't find any credible sources to verify that Alinsky was a communist.

You won't, but that won't stop the labelling of him by the rightwing. To them, anybody who questions the existing power structure is a communist, particularly if they do so effectively. The Rich have the right to rule, because they're Rich, and that's the end of that... the purpose of Democracy is to affirm that, obviously...
 

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Lame-duck weekend. Discuss.
Is this what passes for "original commentary" these days by GOP hacks in P&N?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: Vic
BTW, I can't find any credible sources to verify that Alinsky was a communist.

Well then, I will just take communism out of the discussion, and I'll take a hard look at the tenents of community activism...The nuts and bolts.

Another problem is this claim of mentorship, when Alinsky died when Obama was 9 years old, and I can't find any evidence that they ever even met.
 

Jhhnn

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: Vic
BTW, I can't find any credible sources to verify that Alinsky was a communist.

Well then, I will just take communism out of the discussion, and I'll take a hard look at the tenents of community activism...The nuts and bolts.

Another problem is this claim of mentorship, when Alinsky died when Obama was 9 years old, and I can't find any evidence that they ever even met.

Not to quibble, but Obama was 10 years old, actually. Obama was born Aug 4, 1961, and Alinsky died June 12, 1972...

Which didn't stop the author of the linked hatchet-job from including a photo-chop of the two together...

Hack! Hack! Hack!
 

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The fact that Karl Rove and Barack Obama have independently rediscovered certain political organizing principles basically older than dirt, does not mean other people have not rediscovered them before them.

Get a life, its all old repacked ideas, the ideology used is interchangeably irrelevant. Mere sour grapes, and nothing more.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: Vic
BTW, I can't find any credible sources to verify that Alinsky was a communist.

Well then, I will just take communism out of the discussion, and I'll take a hard look at the tenents of community activism...The nuts and bolts.

Another problem is this claim of mentorship, when Alinsky died when Obama was 9 years old, and I can't find any evidence that they ever even met.

Not to quibble, but Obama was 10 years old, actually. Obama was born Aug 4, 1961, and Alinsky died June 12, 1972...

Which didn't stop the author of the linked hatchet-job from including a photo-chop of the two together...

Hack! Hack! Hack!

Obviously Obama was a Child Prodigy, probably locked up in some Compound with Communists, Socialists, Clerics, Terrorists, and who knows what else!! :Q