Saudis make up 41% of foreign fighters in Iraq

[heyheybooboo]

Saudis make up 41% of foreign fighters in Iraq

captured data has been described as an intelligence treasure trove that included biographical details and the hometowns of the more than 700 fighters who entered Iraq since August 2006. Of those 307, or 41%, were Saudis and 137, or 18%, Libyans...

the third-largest source of foreign fighters was Yemen, with 68, followed by Algeria, 64, Morocco, 50, Tunisia, 38, Jordan, 14, Turkey, six, and Egypt, two.

These figures seem to corroborate suggestions of a worrying increase in jihadi activity across north Africa where armed groups from Libya, Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco have united under the banner of al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb.

Reducing the influx of foreign fighters = reduction of violence in Iraq

All that's left is a civil war with the US troops as unwanted occupiers. It's time to declare victory and redeploy.

Our so-called allies in the war on terra produce the greatest number of jihadists, including Osama bin Laden and 15 of the 19 September 11 hijackers.

We are fighting the wrong war. Let's spend the next trillion dollars on energy independence from OPEC and Big Oil.

 

[RightIsWrong]

See....further proof that we need to invade Iran before it's too late.

 

[teclis1023]

It's okay when Saudi Arabia supplies Anti-US fighters, tortures its civilians and imposes Sharia law. That's because they have oil and they're our friend.

The rest of you had better shape up, though!

 

[chucky2]

So, until we're free of OPEC oil needs (which will be decades, if ever), what is the realistic solution for changing the mindset in SA?

Please do not tell me "diplomacy", as reasoning with the common person who eventually is mind warped by the radicals is not possible with "diplomacy".

Specifically: What is the plan to change the influence of radical leaders in the ME?

Chuck

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: chucky2
So, until we're free of OPEC oil needs (which will be decades, if ever), what is the realistic solution for changing the mindset in SA?

Please do not tell me "diplomacy", as reasoning with the common person who eventually is mind warped by the radicals is not possible with "diplomacy".

Specifically: What is the plan to change the influence of radical leaders in the ME?

Chuck

Plant the seed of a democracy in a previously theocratic dictatorship and allow it to serve as a positive example of rule by the people, hope other oppressed peoples in the region eventually make their voices so loud that their own totalitarian governments will have to give their citizens what they want or face a civil war. That's the plan anyway. How's that workin out for us? Yeah, not so well.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: chucky2
So, until we're free of OPEC oil needs (which will be decades, if ever), what is the realistic solution for changing the mindset in SA?

Please do not tell me "diplomacy", as reasoning with the common person who eventually is mind warped by the radicals is not possible with "diplomacy".

Specifically: What is the plan to change the influence of radical leaders in the ME?

Chuck

Plant the seed of a democracy in a previously theocratic dictatorship and allow it to serve as a positive example of rule by the people, hope other oppressed peoples in the region eventually make their voices so loud that their own totalitarian governments will have to give their citizens what they want or face a civil war. That's the plan anyway. How's that workin out for us? Yeah, not so well.

In 50 years, we'll know...too soon to tell right now.

What was the other solution?

Chuck

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Saudis make up 41% of foreign fighters in Iraq

captured data has been described as an intelligence treasure trove that included biographical details and the hometowns of the more than 700 fighters who entered Iraq since August 2006. Of those 307, or 41%, were Saudis and 137, or 18%, Libyans...

the third-largest source of foreign fighters was Yemen, with 68, followed by Algeria, 64, Morocco, 50, Tunisia, 38, Jordan, 14, Turkey, six, and Egypt, two.

These figures seem to corroborate suggestions of a worrying increase in jihadi activity across north Africa where armed groups from Libya, Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco have united under the banner of al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb.

Reducing the influx of foreign fighters = reduction of violence in Iraq

All that's left is a civil war with the US troops as unwanted occupiers. It's time to declare victory and redeploy.

Our so-called allies in the war on terra produce the greatest number of jihadists, including Osama bin Laden and 15 of the 19 September 11 hijackers.

We are fighting the wrong war. Let's spend the next trillion dollars on energy independence from OPEC and Big Oil.

When the British pulled out of Basra violence dropped by 90 %...

 

[Lemon law]

The Brits were never in charge in Basra or in their Southern Iraq zone of occupation. Its was already almost 100% Shia, the Shia insurgencies very took over very rapidly, and let the Brits pretend they were in charge. But anytime the Brits tried to resist the Shia hegemony, they learned exactly how foolish that was. Its a good part of why the Brits withdrew
and why the Brits had comparatively light causalities. I don't imagine too many Sunni fighters go directly from Saudi Arabia into Iraq. They probably have to enter from Syria or Turkey.

But the Sunni civilian causalities and displaced are huge in numbers, its natural the The Saudis would feel pressed to help.

 

[Aimster]

Invade Iran

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Plant the seed of a democracy in a previously theocratic dictatorship and allow it to serve as a positive example of rule by the people, hope other oppressed peoples in the region eventually make their voices so loud that their own totalitarian governments will have to give their citizens what they want or face a civil war. That's the plan anyway. How's that workin out for us? Yeah, not so well.

In 50 years, we'll know...too soon to tell right now.

What was the other solution?

Chuck

Are we supposed to leave our troops in there for the next 50 years?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: chucky2
So, until we're free of OPEC oil needs (which will be decades, if ever), what is the realistic solution for changing the mindset in SA?

Please do not tell me "diplomacy", as reasoning with the common person who eventually is mind warped by the radicals is not possible with "diplomacy".

Specifically: What is the plan to change the influence of radical leaders in the ME?

Chuck

Lead the world by example, instead of trying to lead by force.

If the Saudi's want to live that way, let them. They wouldn't be in Iraq killing our soldiers if our soldiers were in the USA where they belong.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Plant the seed of a democracy in a previously theocratic dictatorship and allow it to serve as a positive example of rule by the people, hope other oppressed peoples in the region eventually make their voices so loud that their own totalitarian governments will have to give their citizens what they want or face a civil war. That's the plan anyway. How's that workin out for us? Yeah, not so well.

In 50 years, we'll know...too soon to tell right now.

What was the other solution?

Chuck

Are we supposed to leave our troops in there for the next 50 years?

Yes. For some of us, that's been a given from the start, and we've said as much a hundred times.

We may be able to reduce our deployed number by half, or more, but we will remain in Iraq for at least the next 50 years - regardless of who wins the White House!

Bet?

 

[jman19]

Cool I hope we keep glad handing those oil barrens who have no regard for human rights :thumbsup:

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: chucky2
So, until we're free of OPEC oil needs (which will be decades, if ever), what is the realistic solution for changing the mindset in SA?

Please do not tell me "diplomacy", as reasoning with the common person who eventually is mind warped by the radicals is not possible with "diplomacy".

Specifically: What is the plan to change the influence of radical leaders in the ME?

Chuck

Lead the world by example, instead of trying to lead by force.

If the Saudi's want to live that way, let them. They wouldn't be in Iraq killing our soldiers if our soldiers were in the USA where they belong.

I don't disagree...

...the problem becomes you still aren't dealing with the radical Leadership that brainwashes unacceptable amounts of their population. This isn't 1960 anymore where acquiring a WMD-type weapon is next to impossible, it's an unfortunate reality. Trusting the governments under intimidation by the radicals, or the radicals themselves, to reform and become more moderate isn't a real option. After 9/11 (the wakeup call that that strategy ((if you can call paying no real attention to the problem we helped create a strategy)) wasn't working), it's even less of an option.

So again, what's the alternate realistic solution?

Chuck

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Plant the seed of a democracy in a previously theocratic dictatorship and allow it to serve as a positive example of rule by the people, hope other oppressed peoples in the region eventually make their voices so loud that their own totalitarian governments will have to give their citizens what they want or face a civil war. That's the plan anyway. How's that workin out for us? Yeah, not so well.

In 50 years, we'll know...too soon to tell right now.

What was the other solution?

Chuck

Are we supposed to leave our troops in there for the next 50 years?

We certainly don't have to. We can leave and let the country be torn apart by radical factions (such as Sadr) and flip the coin a few times - with a then 0 opportunity to exert real influence - on what the resultant ME will look like.

Or we can stay in increasingly less numbers and form long term bonds with the Iraqi's...which takes - Yes - years to accomplish.

Chuck

 

[maluckey]

No news to me. How long have I been telling everyone that foreign fighters are common in Iraq? Most all the leadership in the ranks of the extremists comes from foreigners.

Organized crime and extortion is mostly Iraqi. Insurgents (counter military jihadi) and terrorists are mostly are often controlled by foreigners.

Granted, this is only my personal experience in North and Northwest Iraq, but I'd be surprised to find it to be different in other locations.

Non-discriminate attacks are the hallmark of foreign influence. Iraqis aren't big on killing their children and old ladies in open markets. Family or Tribal feuds are common though. They can and do escalate into shootouts that can make the Hatfields and McCoys look civivlized in comparison.

 

[StageLeft]

Hmm, maybe Huckabee is right afterall (his recent comments about Saudi were fairly inflammatory, though also probably quite astute),

 

[piasabird]

So the Saudi's are basically Sunni Terrorsits or what?

Then the people from Iran are basically Sharia Terrorists?

Very interesting?

I would not be willing to be for an attack on Saudi Arabia. The Saudi's live in a country that is basically held together by a strict totalitarian leader. Often these countries have lots of unhappy people who feel mistreated and they just want to kill other people. They can not get away with it in Saudi Arabia so I guess they go to Iraq where they can fight. They may have been trained to think that they are martyrs and will get a reward of some raisins when they reach heaven and are rewarded for dying for the cuase of their religion. Thus this power struggle continues.

Raisins is translated as a precious jewel or virgins in heaven.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: piasabird
So the Saudi's are basically Sunni Terrorsits or what?

Then the people from Iran are basically Sharia Terrorists?

Very interesting?

I would not be willing to be for an attack on Saudi Arabia. The Saudi's live in a country that is basically held together by a strict totalitarian leader. Often these countries have lots of unhappy people who feel mistreated and they just want to kill other people. They can not get away with it in Saudi Arabia so I guess they go to Iraq where they can fight. They may have been trained to think that they are martyrs and will get a reward of some raisins when they reach heaven and are rewarded for dying for the cuase of their religion. Thus this power struggle continues.

Raisins is translated as a precious jewel or virgins in heaven.

I thought the derka derkas ate dates, not raisins? I could be wrong though.

 

[MonkeyK]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: chucky2
So, until we're free of OPEC oil needs (which will be decades, if ever), what is the realistic solution for changing the mindset in SA?

Please do not tell me "diplomacy", as reasoning with the common person who eventually is mind warped by the radicals is not possible with "diplomacy".

Specifically: What is the plan to change the influence of radical leaders in the ME?

Chuck

Plant the seed of a democracy in a previously theocratic dictatorship and allow it to serve as a positive example of rule by the people, hope other oppressed peoples in the region eventually make their voices so loud that their own totalitarian governments will have to give their citizens what they want or face a civil war. That's the plan anyway. How's that workin out for us? Yeah, not so well.

In 50 years, we'll know...too soon to tell right now.

What was the other solution?

Chuck

Make oil irrelevant

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: MonkeyK

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: chucky2
So, until we're free of OPEC oil needs (which will be decades, if ever), what is the realistic solution for changing the mindset in SA?

Please do not tell me "diplomacy", as reasoning with the common person who eventually is mind warped by the radicals is not possible with "diplomacy".

Specifically: What is the plan to change the influence of radical leaders in the ME?

Chuck

Plant the seed of a democracy in a previously theocratic dictatorship and allow it to serve as a positive example of rule by the people, hope other oppressed peoples in the region eventually make their voices so loud that their own totalitarian governments will have to give their citizens what they want or face a civil war. That's the plan anyway. How's that workin out for us? Yeah, not so well.

In 50 years, we'll know...too soon to tell right now.

What was the other solution?

Chuck

Make oil irrelevant

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
But likely the much more difficult, if not impossible in our lifetimes, solution.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: piasabird
So the Saudi's are basically Sunni Terrorsits or what?

Then the people from Iran are basically Sharia Terrorists?

Very interesting?

I would not be willing to be for an attack on Saudi Arabia. The Saudi's live in a country that is basically held together by a strict totalitarian leader. Often these countries have lots of unhappy people who feel mistreated and they just want to kill other people. They can not get away with it in Saudi Arabia so I guess they go to Iraq where they can fight. They may have been trained to think that they are martyrs and will get a reward of some raisins when they reach heaven and are rewarded for dying for the cuase of their religion. Thus this power struggle continues.

Raisins is translated as a precious jewel or virgins in heaven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi

The Saudi national religion is basically kill all the infidels, most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi as well.

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: piasabird
So the Saudi's are basically Sunni Terrorsits or what?

Then the people from Iran are basically Sharia Terrorists?

Very interesting?

I would not be willing to be for an attack on Saudi Arabia. The Saudi's live in a country that is basically held together by a strict totalitarian leader. Often these countries have lots of unhappy people who feel mistreated and they just want to kill other people. They can not get away with it in Saudi Arabia so I guess they go to Iraq where they can fight. They may have been trained to think that they are martyrs and will get a reward of some raisins when they reach heaven and are rewarded for dying for the cuase of their religion. Thus this power struggle continues.

Raisins is translated as a precious jewel or virgins in heaven.

Hmmm...that sounds awfully familiar for some reason. I think we do need to lessen our oil dependence, not to get rid of it entirely but lessen it to the point where OPEC can no longer grab us by the balls. Then we could probably use diplomatic pressure to create real change in the ME.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: MonkeyK

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: chucky2
So, until we're free of OPEC oil needs (which will be decades, if ever), what is the realistic solution for changing the mindset in SA?

Please do not tell me "diplomacy", as reasoning with the common person who eventually is mind warped by the radicals is not possible with "diplomacy".

Specifically: What is the plan to change the influence of radical leaders in the ME?

Chuck

Plant the seed of a democracy in a previously theocratic dictatorship and allow it to serve as a positive example of rule by the people, hope other oppressed peoples in the region eventually make their voices so loud that their own totalitarian governments will have to give their citizens what they want or face a civil war. That's the plan anyway. How's that workin out for us? Yeah, not so well.

In 50 years, we'll know...too soon to tell right now.

What was the other solution?

Chuck

Make oil irrelevant

Sorry, I should have said realistic solution.

And that still doesn't take away the radical Leadership left in those countries that brainwash their people. So again, how do we go about removing the radical Leadership in a realistic fashion?

Chuck

 

[GrGr]

137 Saudi's are 41 % of the foreign fighters in Iraq? That's not a huge figure is it. So, how many hundreds of US troops does it take to fight one Saudi?

The cost for maintaining the current surge over 10 years is $ 4.5 Trillion dollars. It is remarkable that so few foreign fighters tie up such an enormous amount of US resources isn't it.