Saudi cleric: Allah wants Islam to rule the world

[Jaskalas]

Saudi cleric: Allah wants Islam to rule the world

Sheik Muhammad Al-Munajid: This is a nation of monotheism, and this is the Islam that Allah wants to spread throughout the world, and to rule the land it its entirety.

Humanity can have no happiness without Islam. Humanity can enjoy no goodness, unless the sun of monotheism, the Koran, and the Sunna shines upon it. The world without the sun of the divine revelation is a place of eternal darkness, as we can see today ? a world of frustration, collapse, injustice, arbitrariness, and wrongdoing. The world today is a jungle ? a world of barbarism of all kinds. People in many parts of the world are not happy, because they do not walk in the path of Allah.

There are rules of shari'a in everything. We have counted almost 70 rules about how to urinate and defecate. In contrast, how do those beasts in the West answer the call of nature? They stand in front of other people, in toilets at airports and other public places. They do not care about covering their private parts. Even their underwear is colored and not white, so it can conceal all that filth. We are a nation that has long known the meaning of cleanliness, what to do when nature calls, and what the rules of hygiene are. The others, to this day, live like beasts. To this day, many of them are not circumcised, even though the World Health Organization has advised to circumcise people as a treatment for AIDS, because it has been scientifically proven that circumcised people are less susceptible to AIDS, and are less likely to spread it than uncircumcised people.

A small radical minority right? Remember it is THIS foreign money/ideology straight from their homeland that is imported here via Saudi funding in their mosques here in our land. Islamic supremacists are our enemy, and the apologists and defenders of the faith here aid them in their goal of eradicating your human rights.

In the name of tolerance how much longer will you continue to permit the disassembly of human rights across the globe by this fanatical zealotry? They have proven their bloodlust, and we are continuously proving our ineptitude to a suicidal degree.

This is the region that is achieving newfound nuclear ambition after we received a forewarning of what is to come from them in New York six years ago. That was the beginning and the end is their desire for global Islamic rule. They must be made to surrender this, but instead we offer successions and apologies to them for our very existence in our own homes as if it is somehow an offense.

All you have to do is watch what they say, by their own words, and the understanding that this is not some small isolated faction becomes clear. The supremacy we bear witness to in Islam is a growing ? an expanding epidemic brought into our homes through the ideology. From it our blood will spill and thus far we continue to allow it. We ferment it and will, one day at their opportune moment, reap the seeds we sow.

 

[Moonbeam]

It is quite understandable that you, of all people posting here, would stand in special mortal fear of the Iman checking your underware.

 

[DangerAardvark]

When an Islamic nation invades and occupies a Western nation, I'll start worrying. Until then... can't be bothered.

We should have a firm enough grasp of history at this point to understand that this is just the latest chapter in the long, sordid history of religion being used as a tool to control people. This old hat is getting boring...

 

[BMW540I6speed]

the Pajamas Media/Fox News/Michelle Malkin/Rush-Limbaugh-listener strain, actually believe that Islamists are going to take over the U.S. and impose sharia law on all of us. And then we will have to be Muslims and "our women" will be forced into burkas and there will be no more music or bars or churches or blogs.

The communists were an international conspiracy that worked to take over the world and enslave us all. Now the Islamists are an international conspiracy that is working to take over the world and enslave us all.

In between, the drug epidemic was going to enslave us all. It has less to do with an actual enemy than with a world view that defines the person by membership in a group that is itself defined and disciplined by existential threats to the group.

This psychotic brand of paranoia is even more absurd and loony than the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and 'Jews use Christian babies blood to bake their Passover matzos'. Just imagine, armadas of thousands of Islamic ships surrounding our shores and millions of heavily armed Islamic warriors defeating the US military and flooding the countryside, burning down churches, football and baseball stadiums, discotheques and bars, forcing a nation of 300 million people and the most powerful economic and military country in the history of the world to be pious Muslims or die. This is collective insanity of the highest order.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
the Pajamas Media/Fox News/Michelle Malkin/Rush-Limbaugh-listener strain, actually believe that Islamists are going to take over the U.S. and impose sharia law on all of us. And then we will have to be Muslims and "our women" will be forced into burkas and there will be no more music or bars or churches or blogs.

The communists were an international conspiracy that worked to take over the world and enslave us all. Now the Islamists are an international conspiracy that is working to take over the world and enslave us all.

In between, the drug epidemic was going to enslave us all. It has less to do with an actual enemy than with a world view that defines the person by membership in a group that is itself defined and disciplined by existential threats to the group.

This psychotic brand of paranoia is even more absurd and loony than the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and 'Jews use Christian babies blood to bake their Passover matzos'. Just imagine, armadas of thousands of Islamic ships surrounding our shores and millions of heavily armed Islamic warriors defeating the US military and flooding the countryside, burning down churches, football and baseball stadiums, discotheques and bars, forcing a nation of 300 million people and the most powerful economic and military country in the history of the world to be pious Muslims or die. This is collective insanity of the highest order.

explain please?

 

[ericlp]

Islamism is a term used to denote a set of political ideologies holding that Islam is not only a religion but also a political system. Islamism holds that Islamic law (sharia) must be the basis for all statutory law of society; that Muslims must return to the original teachings and the early models of Islam; and that western military, economic, political, social, or cultural influence in the Muslim world is un-Islamic.

This usage is controversial. Those labeled Islamists often, if not always, oppose use of the term, maintaining they are simply Muslims, and that their beliefs are a straightforward expression of Islam as a way of life. Some people find it troublesome that a word derived from "Islam" is applied to organisations they consider radical and extreme.

---- My thoughts? They are like any other organized religion. They have both radical and freaks like any other religion out there...

What's your point? Besides the one on top of your head?

 

[Nebor]

Anyone who didn't already know that we're at war with Islam either has their head buried in the sun, or is an enemy sympathizer.

 

[TipsyMcStagger]

I thought circumcisions were pretty much the norm in the US these days

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Anyone who didn't already know that we're at war with Islam either has their head buried in the sun, or is an enemy sympathizer.

Hardly a realistic choice. Suppose one believes that Allah should rule the world. Ok, Christians believe that Christ will return and all will live under his rule. Go to a church and you'll find out that's the case. Go to this very forum, and you will find people who believe that religion should be stamped out entirely.

Now are we at war with Christians or Atheists because they have religious beliefs or at least beliefs about religion? Hardly. What would be a problem is if Christians started dragging people into churches by force, or Atheists blow up places of worship. It's a case of acting on their feelings in a violent way, and that's a no.

Likewise Muslims can believe what they will as long as they behave. This really has nothing to do with the individual in the OP, but you do like to go from the specific to the general.

Here's your logic.

Someone who believes that Islam is a threat kills someone. That person deserves to be punished. Nebor believes Islam is a threat, therefore Nebor deserves to be punished. It doesn't work for rational people.

 

[Socio]

There are rules of shari'a in everything.

Not quite; if it had rules against inbreeding then loons like this cleric woud likely not have even been born.

 

[KIRBYEE]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Anyone who didn't already know that we're at war with Islam either has their head buried in the sun, or is an enemy sympathizer.

Well you're a fool or a troll. I hope for the latter.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Anyone who didn't already know that we're at war with Islam either has their head buried in the sun, or is an enemy sympathizer.

Or maybe simply wasn't sleeping during College classes...

 

[StageLeft]

True Islam does seek to dominate other religions. It's spelled out clearly in their teachings and Muhammad was a nasty man.

However, this is not a big issue for us. Islam doesn't have the power in the West yet to do what it wants, even though it makes inroads in some areas, but it's still well behind the curve on where a real, major problem is around.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: ericlp

---- My thoughts? They are like any other organized religion. They have both radical and freaks like any other religion out there...

Ah but there is huge difference; Islam has produced more radical and freaks than all other religions combined 1000 fold and then some!

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: ericlp

---- My thoughts? They are like any other organized religion. They have both radical and freaks like any other religion out there...

Ah but there is huge difference; Islam has produced more radical and freaks than all other religions combined 1000 fold and then some!

More radicalism at the current time, because of the oppressive conditions in the Middle East which breed radicalism. Look at all of the terrible things Christianity was construed to espouse during the Middle Ages, Crusades, burning "witches", slaughter of Jews; and that was from a holy book you would have us believe is more peaceful than the Koran.

I understand your need for a big bad bogeyman. It is a fully accepted and understandable psychological need. The fall of Communism must have been crushing for you.

 

[Albatross]

muslims will not conquer USA,they will simply reclaim what is rightfully theirs

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Anyone who didn't already know that we're at war with Islam either has their head buried in the sun, or is an enemy sympathizer.

Anyone that thinks we are at WAR with ISLAM needs to stop drinking the kool-aid and turn off Fox news.

did you bother to think before you clicked the 'reply' button?

 

[sandorski]

Christians believe the same. Why else would Christian Missionaries have so quickly flooded into Iraq after the invasion?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
When an Islamic nation invades and occupies a Western nation, I'll start worrying. Until then... can't be bothered.

The stratagem of terrorism in warfare does not require invasion by an ?official? military to strike in acts of war. The invasion is by ideology. Their ground soldiers are the radical believers on our soil already. Do you consider Israel invaded by a "nation"? Yet they are attacked constantly and we are on course for a similar fate.

The failure to recognize a threat is often the lead up to permitting its occurrence in the first place.

We should have a firm enough grasp of history at this point to understand that this is just the latest chapter in the long, sordid history of religion being used as a tool to control people. This old hat is getting boring...

Old to whom? Nearly 2 billion people do not think it is getting boring, and among them are the fanatics. If you yourself think it is an old hat it means everyone agrees?

Nice to see you understand that it is a tool to control people, but you must look at their own self-expressed objective and ask yourself if you want to permit them to freely work towards such a goal or if you want to stand up and be an obstacle to their supremacism. The first step is recognition of the problem.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Christians believe the same. Why else would Christian Missionaries have so quickly flooded into Iraq after the invasion?

When was the last time a Christian Missionary blew themselves up in a crowded market full of women and children?

But, I digress...

Most here are correct when they say: We are not "at war" with their entire religion. Only a small minority of them have reached the violence threshold requiring termination. The rest are what I'll call fence-sitters, and certainly worth paying attention to - although the vast majority will never be a threat. The challenge is figuring out who is who without persecuting, or worse, angering, the entire bunch.

Just remember this 21st Century truism: Most Muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim.

Profiling does have its place in law enforcement and counter-terrorism.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Nebor
Anyone who didn't already know that we're at war with Islam either has their head buried in the sun, or is an enemy sympathizer.

Anyone that thinks we are at WAR with ISLAM needs to stop drinking the kool-aid and turn off Fox news.

did you bother to think before you clicked the 'reply' button?

Nebor is using broad generalizations, but the proof of if there is a global war for supremacy would come from the ones carrying out acts of war ? not in whether we believe we are in danger before sufficiently bleeding as a result of this conflict.

I fully understand that there is no unison among the Muslim world to act out in a singular manor. Pakistan, for example, is on the verge of replacing its President with a pro-Islamist leader. Their civil-strife is my prime example that while they are not all supremacists focused on us, those who are (Taliban, Al?Qaeda) are actively working to kill/replace those within the Muslim world who do not agree with their view.

So then you have to ask yourself who carries the momentum, who is the future? Which side grows while the other fades? In Pakistan it seems certain what the answer to this is. In Europe, demographically the answer is also clear. The question is if anyone is going to recognize the spread of this supremacy and stand up to stop this momentum?

Currently I don?t think we will, the snowball will continue to roll downhill unchallenged as it picks up strength. (and nuclear weapons)

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Nebor said:

Anyone who didn't already know that we're at war with Islam either has their head buried in the sun, or is an enemy sympathizer.

Who is selling the Caliphate Armies of Islamic Assumption their landing craft? France?, Isn't there someone there we could call?

What about the Bombers?. Will they be Saudi or will they just pick up something used from the old Aeroflot yards?. Seriously, those old Soviet clunkers are a breeze to intercept . Some of them fall to the earth all on their own.

Ok, Assuming they are coming, I'm going to bet since they don't have a good Pacific Rim contact they'll be launching from Western Coastal Shipyards in Africa and Spain, so once the Ivory Coast and Madrid fall to Osama Bin Laden and his gang, we'll really need to start worrying.

Lets jump ahead in the interests of being really prepared. They send Carriers, the US still needs carriers to "assert their will " so far from home, I can only assume the Islamic Armies will likewise need a lift. From west African ports toward I'd bet Florida and New York. We all know the value of a two pronged attack, and while we all know (Ann Coulter told me) that the New Yorkers will just drop their rifles and welcome the Green Menace, I expect the legions of the Free Floridians, well armed even in peace time, bolstered by the Texan Defence Forces will be able to hold the beachline and prevent a beachhead being established. At least for a few weeks.

You know , if the USA had some really good missiles, cruise or otherwise, they could likely sink a fleet coming out of the Atlantic Mists. They still have really Big Guns on the boats right?

Seriously though..

How does one come to believe that the world's only military and economic super-power, with a populations of over 300 million people could literally get taken over by "terrorists" or "islamists" is beyond my powers of comprehension.

Terrorism, and particularly terrorism inspired by Islam is a danger to our physical safety. I ride the subway often, but the idea that it is in any way shape of form a threat to the sovereignty of this country is, in a word, insane.

We have spent the last 4 and half years, using the world's most technologically advanced military, that we spend more money on than the rest of the world combined, and we can't even pacify Baghdad, Yet we're supposed to believe that if we leave, then a few thousand true believers, in collusion with such world superpowers as Syria and Iran, are going to take over the United States?

I think the question of a worldwide caliphate comes down to that of rhetoric versus capability, in other words I would like to have sex with Gisele but my total lack of means prevent anyone (including myself) from taking my fevered dreams too seriously.

Remember the 1980s? Survivalists? "Red Dawn?" With enough shovels, we'll all survive? They'll be driving up from South America & into Texas?

It's not just that these people actually believe in this horrific Islamic tidal wave, it's that some twisted part of them welcomes it, needs it, is salivating at the thought of an Armageddon-like confrontation between Good & Evil. No more laws, no more effete obstructions like the Constitution, no more weak-kneed nonsense like human rights, there's only The Enemy, and the only thing to do with them is kill!.

Everything the ultra-right condemns, loathes, fears, wants to destroy, is to be found within their own terrified little souls, projected onto the enemy du jour.

No, this isn't to deny that some factions of radical Islam would be only too happy to impose religious law on the whole of the world, you know, just like some of their spiritual brethren right here in America.

The real enemy is self-righteous ignorance of any stripe.

A message that should resonate with secularists of all stripes. In this politically polarized time, it helps to bear in mind that a simple delimitation of liberal and conservative doesn't cover the scope of human viewpoint, and that there are many conservatives who believe deeply in the values on which this nation was founded. We should try to not to get so distracted by what we differ on, that we forget what we have in common. Don't forget - divided we fall.

If you listen to some right-wing hacks enough, it's an amazing picture they paint of the United States: Our country is a fragile, fragile porcelain doll that must remain protected in a display case lest it get broken. A scared child, cowering from the bogeyman in the closet.

Trouble is: America isn't weak. And not one or two or ten or 100 terrorist attacks is going to make her crumble.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Jaskalas said:

Nebor is using broad generalizations, but the proof of if there is a global war for supremacy would come from the ones carrying out acts of war ? not in whether we believe we are in danger before sufficiently bleeding as a result of this conflict.

I fully understand that there is no unison among the Muslim world to act out in a singular manor. Pakistan, for example, is on the verge of replacing its President with a pro-Islamist leader. Their civil-strife is my prime example that while they are not all supremacists focused on us, those who are (Taliban, Al?Qaeda) are actively working to kill/replace those within the Muslim world who do not agree with their view.

So then you have to ask yourself who carries the momentum, who is the future? Which side grows while the other fades? In Pakistan it seems certain what the answer to this is. In Europe, demographically the answer is also clear. The question is if anyone is going to recognize the spread of this supremacy and stand up to stop this momentum?

Currently I don?t think we will, the snowball will continue to roll downhill unchallenged as it picks up strength. (and nuclear weapons)

No one here actually supports the many manifestations of Islamic extremists. What you interpret as 'tolerance and lack of criticism' of these movements is anything but. We're discussing a completely different topic, but I daresay are united in our collective loathing of any form of violent extremism.

(a) none of us here are wearing blinders, (b) recognize Islamic Fundamentalism is no more monolithic than Christian Fundamentalism or Jewish Fundamentalism, and (c) its nowhere near the threat to American society the current Administration poses.

"Creeping Islam"? I'll admit there does seem more and more instances of hard-line Christian fundamentalism are creeping into the body politic, but "creeping Islam"?

Demographics alone tell us nothing, as Islam is a religion and not an ethnicity. Are attendance rates in Mosques up in Europe and America? Conversion rates? Construction of Madrassas up or down? Let's talk about real empiracal indicators before we jump on the calaphite bandwagon.

And I'll happily denounce any faith system that professes to know what is best for me and attempts to assert a narrow interpretation of ancient, mystical script on civil society. I'm sure nearly anyone here would condemn that concept. Foreign or Domestic.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: sandorski
Christians believe the same. Why else would Christian Missionaries have so quickly flooded into Iraq after the invasion?

When was the last time a Christian Missionary blew themselves up in a crowded market full of women and children?

But, I digress...

Most here are correct when they say: We are not "at war" with their entire religion. Only a small minority of them have reached the violence threshold requiring termination. The rest are what I'll call fence-sitters, and certainly worth paying attention to - although the vast majority will never be a threat. The challenge is figuring out who is who without persecuting, or worse, angering, the entire bunch.

Just remember this 21st Century truism: Most Muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim.

Profiling does have its place in law enforcement and counter-terrorism.

Yes, profiling DOES have a place in law enforcement and counter-terrorism...but I don't think that means what most people think it means. Harassing guys wearing turbans at the airport is about the last thing we want to do, as it's ineffective and pisses off the "fence-sitters" as you call them. And "profiling" is also not the ridiculous computer systems that give everyone a terrorist score. The only kind of real profiling involves experts sorting through people, looking for folks who fit a certain pattern...folks who acting "off". And the reasons should be obvious, your assertion aside, there are enough non-Muslim terrorists that we don't want to just ignore them, and perhaps more importantly, not all Muslims look like the silly caricatures most people seem to believe in...there is not an obvious way to profile "Muslims", even if that was a good idea in the first place.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Nebor
Anyone who didn't already know that we're at war with Islam either has their head buried in the sun, or is an enemy sympathizer.

Anyone that thinks we are at WAR with ISLAM needs to stop drinking the kool-aid and turn off Fox news.

did you bother to think before you clicked the 'reply' button?

Nebor is using broad generalizations, but the proof of if there is a global war for supremacy would come from the ones carrying out acts of war ? not in whether we believe we are in danger before sufficiently bleeding as a result of this conflict.

I fully understand that there is no unison among the Muslim world to act out in a singular manor. Pakistan, for example, is on the verge of replacing its President with a pro-Islamist leader. Their civil-strife is my prime example that while they are not all supremacists focused on us, those who are (Taliban, Al?Qaeda) are actively working to kill/replace those within the Muslim world who do not agree with their view.

So then you have to ask yourself who carries the momentum, who is the future? Which side grows while the other fades? In Pakistan it seems certain what the answer to this is. In Europe, demographically the answer is also clear. The question is if anyone is going to recognize the spread of this supremacy and stand up to stop this momentum?

Currently I don?t think we will, the snowball will continue to roll downhill unchallenged as it picks up strength. (and nuclear weapons)

You're talking like those of us on the outside have no say, that we should just figure out where things are going and treat the CURRENT Muslim world as we imagine them to be in the future. But that's a self-fulfilling prophesy, the folks like you and Nebor who insist that we should view ourselves as at war with all Muslims are going to steadily make that a reality, as moderate Muslims are caught between radical Muslims who want them to convert or die, and non-Muslims who just want them to die. Your approach guarantees that the move towards moderate Islam is unappealing, as the folks already there receive no break and are treated the same as the terrorists flying planes into buildings.