Saturn goes rogue

RU482

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Saturn alerts customers it is considering a spinoff

Jamie LaReau
Automotive News
February 19, 2009 - 11:43 am ET

DETROIT -- Saturn has begun alerting customers that it may be spun off by General Motors as an independent marketing and distribution company.

In a letter sent to about 1.5 million Saturn owners last night, Saturn said it would have to line up products to sell -- either from other manufacturers or from GM in the role of a vendor -- after GM's current commitment to build Saturn products ends after the 2012 model year.
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"The Saturn Distribution Corporation already exists as an indirect subsidiary of GM," wrote Jill Lajdziak, general manager of Saturn, in the letter. "It's the entity with which our retailers have their franchise agreement.

"An independent Saturn would still have its great retailers, and it would continue to source current products from GM through 2011. If successful, SDC at that point would source products from other manufacturers."

A Saturn spokesman confirmed the letter and its contents. The purpose of the letter is to reassure current and potential Saturn owners that Saturn is a viable brand and that GM will back its warranties and product quality, says spokesman Steve Janisse.

The goal of a spinoff would be to find future vehicles "that match the Saturn Brand: fuel-efficient, safe, reliable and affordable," Lajdziak said. "From a retailing perspective, we would build on our core strength of unmatched customer service."

No decisions for 60 days

Meanwhile, Saturn dealers say Saturn asked them on Wednesday to make no decisions about what to do with their stores for at least 60 days. That's because Saturn has formed a study group consisting of Saturn retailers, GM employees and independent consultants to do the "hard-core due diligence" work on what it would take to spin off Saturn, said Janisse.

The subcommittee will study possible sources of future product, either from GM or another manufacturer, which might take over Saturn, Janisse said. Another possibility is for an independent investment company to take over a spun-off Saturn and give it the money to buy product.

"That's what that subcommittee is studying, and they're working day and night on this," Janisse said.

"The goal is within 60 days to have a solid understanding of if the current spinoff option is valid," Janisse said.

But he said a decision might be delayed if the process isn't complete.

In its viability plan submitted to the U.S. Treasury Department on Tuesday, GM said Saturn will remain in operation through the end of the planned lifecycle for all

Saturn products. In the interim, GM said it would be open to the possibility of Saturn retailers as a group or other investors present a plan that would allow a spinoff or sale of SDC. If that didn't occur, GM said it planned to phase out the brand.


brilliant
 

Pocatello

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If some Chinese car company wants to have a foothold in the US, they might buy Saturn. But I think Saturn is a damaged brand. Even with a decent line-up of cars, very few people want to buy a Saturn.
 

halik

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Yeah Saturn has like no brand equity. Too many unremarkable, plastic cars over the years.
 

DrMrLordX

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Very few people want to buy a Saturn when the minimum pricetag for anything new on the dealership lot is $18.5k. Show me updated S-class sedans with small turbo diesel engines and total vehicle weights in the 2200-2400 pound range and they might sell something, provided they can overcome the bugaboos of early Saturn vehicles (rattles too much, noisy, uncomfortable for some).

The real question is, who is going to make something like that for Saturn? If they source their vehicles from China or India, quality may (or will) take a nosedive which will damage the brand. If anything, quality on Saturns has gone up over the years, but it's going to have to stay up if they are to survive.
 

PingSpike

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Those old ones were awesome mileage getters and the plastic body panels were a good idea for northern climates no matter how much derision they received. Most vehicles up here are eaten alive by salt well before their engine dies.

But, like most of GMs products...the current saturns really don't seem to offer anything but a different name on the same GM product.
 

desy

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Saturn has 3 good vehicles
Astra, not mirrored anywhere in GM's NA lineup
Aura, sibling Malibu which is done better
Vue, soon to be outdone by the Equinox

I don't think they'll survive, you do see more of them on the road around here but unless they are taken over by a Chinese company with global ambitions it will be a short run.
 

stag3

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i like the saturn convertible but no deals on them at the moment
the 2.0turbo ftw
 

BassBomb

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Here is a nice plan..

Kill Impala, Cobalt, Aura

Keep Malibu, Astra, G8 under Chevy

etc
 

Q

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I saw a Saturn Outlook on the highway last weekend and I was really surprised that it was a Saturn -- it was pretty nice looking IMO.
 

StageLeft

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Death knell if I ever heard one. Anything positive from Saturn at this point is merely painting a turd.
I like the Sky. Especially that roadster version.
It's the only Saturn that doesn't make me want to pull my eyes out.
 

PCMarine

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Originally posted by: Quintox
I saw a Saturn Outlook on the highway last weekend and I was really surprised that it was a Saturn -- it was pretty nice looking IMO.

Yet completely irrelevant, since GM has three other identical crossovers (GMC Acadia, Buick Enclave, Chevy Traverse). Plus the saturn is the least appealing and slowest selling of all four.
 

RU482

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pretty sure they axed the outlook to make way for the Chevy Perverse...uh, Traverse
 

zoiks

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Originally posted by: RU482
pretty sure they axed the outlook to make way for the Chevy Perverse...uh, Traverse

As supposed to the Honda Shit oops Fit.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
Those old ones were awesome mileage getters and the plastic body panels were a good idea for northern climates no matter how much derision they received. Most vehicles up here are eaten alive by salt well before their engine dies.

I had a 1992 Saturn SL2 and I liked it. The car seemed to have character to it and it handled very well. It also had a good bit of power to it since it was so light and had a 1.9 liter engine. Even when it was 12 years old it looked pretty new since the body didn't have any dents on it and had no rust.

It did have a couple of little problems though. It ate up oil pretty bad because the engine seemed to have bad piston rings. I hear almost all of them had that problem.

I went to get a newer one, but the seemed to have really cheapened them up. The 1996 SL2 I looked at didn't have the same build quality of my 1992 model. They seemed to have used cheaper and harder plastics on the inside because it was louder and more "brittle" sounding. Everything I touched in it felt like it was about to break. My 92 felt more substantial.

I ended up getting rid of it with 235,000 miles on it.

 

Q

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Originally posted by: PCMarine
Originally posted by: Quintox
I saw a Saturn Outlook on the highway last weekend and I was really surprised that it was a Saturn -- it was pretty nice looking IMO.

Yet completely irrelevant, since GM has three other identical crossovers (GMC Acadia, Buick Enclave, Chevy Traverse). Plus the saturn is the least appealing and slowest selling of all four.

I know I just felt like throwing that out there.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Those old ones were awesome mileage getters and the plastic body panels were a good idea for northern climates no matter how much derision they received. Most vehicles up here are eaten alive by salt well before their engine dies.

I had a 1992 Saturn SL2 and I liked it. The car seemed to have character to it and it handled very well. It also had a good bit of power to it since it was so light and had a 1.9 liter engine. Even when it was 12 years old it looked pretty new since the body didn't have any dents on it and had no rust.

It did have a couple of little problems though. It ate up oil pretty bad because the engine seemed to have bad piston rings. I hear almost all of them had that problem.

I went to get a newer one, but the seemed to have really cheapened them up. The 1996 SL2 I looked at didn't have the same build quality of my 1992 model. They seemed to have used cheaper and harder plastics on the inside because it was louder and more "brittle" sounding. Everything I touched in it felt like it was about to break. My 92 felt more substantial.

I ended up getting rid of it with 235,000 miles on it.

The early ones were pretty good (91 - 95ish), then a dry spell, then the newer ones were good again. I have a 2005 ION and LOVE it. Unfortunately they dropped the ION...the Astra is kind of cool but small. $40,000 SUVs from Saturn? Yeah, right. Their vans were cool but broke a lot. I dunno. They started out really good and went downhill, back up, then back down. They went from "cheap, reliable" to "overpriced, boring". They were never very exciting, but their selling points were that they were affordable and reliable, which was just fine.

I'll miss them. RIP Saturn
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MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: BassBomb
Here is a nice plan..

Kill Impala, Cobalt, Aura

Keep Malibu, Astra, G8 under Chevy

etc

Good idea, but keep the Impala. GM would get caught pants-down without a full-size model. Besides, Impalas are fucking awesome.
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Here is a nice plan..

Kill Impala, Cobalt, Aura

Keep Malibu, Astra, G8 under Chevy

etc

Good idea, but keep the Impala. GM would get caught pants-down without a full-size model. Besides, Impalas are fucking awesome.

the G8 is miles ahead of the impala in every conceivable manner
 

BassBomb

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Here is a nice plan..

Kill Impala, Cobalt, Aura

Keep Malibu, Astra, G8 under Chevy

etc

Good idea, but keep the Impala. GM would get caught pants-down without a full-size model. Besides, Impalas are fucking awesome.

G8 is fullsize isnt it?
 

waffleironhead

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Looks like a foot hold for some company without a presence in NA. Time for the chinese to swoop in and buy up saturn and sell the Geely cars. No doubt they would like to have an already established dealer network.