Saturday, 9/22/01: DO NOT GO INTO BOSTON!!!

[clarkmo]

<< Huh? >>


I don't think the timing of all of this is mere coincidence, but then again I could be wrong. I have seen references in responsible media though for the Camp David meetings.

 

[iamwiz82]

<< Well it would tie into that number 11 thing, since it would be 11 days after the attack..

flight 11 struck first on the 11th day
65 passengers on one plane ..6+5=11
83 on another 8+3=11
New York was the 11th state in the US
New Your City hass 11 letters
The Pentagon has 11 letters
Afghanistan has 11 letters..

there is more, but I can't remember the rest. I heard it on the radio this morning >>



that is the dumbest thing, i'm sorry, but its just insane to think that the numbers did it. Do you honestly think Bin Laden is going "hmmm... Turkey only has 6 letters, they are ok, detroit has 7, they are ok. Los angeles has 10, close, but not 11. New York City, that has 11!! we hit Ne York City!!"

 

[Miramonti]

hey, i got an email saying Timmy the orphaned boy with new legs will get new ones if we send this email to as many people as possible. And, Bill Gates is keeping track of who receives it!!

lol

HOAX.

 

[BigJohnKC]

<< I am worried about going to my college's football game. They could take out 80,000 with a few bombs.

Jim >>



Hope they didn't read "Black Sunday" by Thomas Harris - the whole book was about a terrorist plot to blow up a blimp in the middle of the Super Bowl. The blimp was loaded with metal and a huge amount of explosives - it was the world's largest claymore mine. Seems like an effective terrorist plot...

 

[MeanMeosh]

<< oh, and FYI, a friend of mine went to some party and woke up in a tub full of ice because someone stole his kidneys. >>



<sarcasm> damn, your friend too? same thing happened to me.... </sarcasm>

 

[Jzero]

"If you want to find the number 216 in the world you will be able to find it everywhere. 216 steps from your street corner to your front door, 216 seconds you spend riding on the elevator. When your mind becomes obsessed with anything, you will filter everyting else out and find that thing everywhere!"
--Sol, PI

 

[Nitemare]

<<

<< Well it would tie into that number 11 thing, since it would be 11 days after the attack..

flight 11 struck first on the 11th day
65 passengers on one plane ..6+5=11
83 on another 8+3=11
New York was the 11th state in the US
New Your City hass 11 letters
The Pentagon has 11 letters
Afghanistan has 11 letters..

there is more, but I can't remember the rest. I heard it on the radio this morning >>



that is the dumbest thing, i'm sorry, but its just insane to think that the numbers did it. Do you honestly think Bin Laden is going "hmmm... Turkey only has 6 letters, they are ok, detroit has 7, they are ok. Los angeles has 10, close, but not 11. New York City, that has 11!! we hit Ne York City!!" >>



Don't shoot the messenger. I think it's stupid as well, but a coincidence nonetheless..

 

[clarkmo]

Sept 13 link fixed

 

[royaldank]

Man, it would be something else if they managed to hijack another few planes and target stadiums. Can you imagine a football game being plowed over with a 767? Holly cow, that would destroy the nation. Imagine seeing somewhere in the neighborhood of 80,000 people dying at a football game.

Good thing U of Tennessee is off this weekend. The second largest stadium in the country will be asleep this weekend.

 

[iamwiz82]

<< Man, it would be something else if they managed to hijack another few planes and target stadiums. Can you imagine a football game being plowed over with a 767? Holly cow, that would destroy the nation. Imagine seeing somewhere in the neighborhood of 80,000 people dying at a football game.

Good think U of Tennessee if off this weekend. The second largest stadium in the country will be asleep this weekend. >>



ahh.. but the largest will be used. Western Michigan at University of Michigan. 110000 seats.

 

[hoihtah]

man... this crap is floating around my office as well.

<quote>
This is not a rumor b/c nobody knows about it and it came from a legit source.
</quote>

ok... by that logic... if nobody knows about it... then it's not a rumor.

it came from a legit source?
are you talking about the bartender?
don't get me wrong... i love bartenders and i think there are some of the brightest people bartending out there.
but how is that legit? what did she take some sort of special training in deciphering drunk arabs?

or...
are you talking about them drunk arabs?
first, i'd like to know... was it verified that they are arabs?
i just hate to see some indian or pakistan-americans being mistaken for arab-americans.

second... people talk trash when they are drunk.
yes... some of those trash might stick once in a while...
but really... would you say that it's a legit source?

if you're talking about some other source... please verify it for us.
otherwise... your trash don't stick.... but stinks.

 

[VRoOMdesigns]

oh yeah?

well OOGA BOOGA!

 

[Nemesis77]

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<< Huh? >>


I don't think the timing of all of this is mere coincidence, but then again I could be wrong. I have seen references in responsible media though for the Camp David meetings. >>



Yes, the Camp David meeting was taking place in sept 11th. But it was also taking place in 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 12, 13, 14th and 15th. Sept 11th is not a special day when it comes to that meeting, just one day in the middle of similar days.

Yep, Israel made one deal with Arafat on 13th. Only bad thing was that the attack didn't take place on the 13th. And that deal was benetifial to palestinians.

Face it, there's no special meaning in the timing of the attack.

 

[b0mbrman]

:< If real, did she call the police

Also, here's something: I thought hardcore Muslims don't drink...am I mistaken?

 

[TheOmegaCode]

you can't be safe all the time, just go.

 

[d33pt]

dammit stop spreading BS around....mr-i-am-going-to-leave-forever-britneyspear

 

[clarkmo]

<< Face it, there's no special meaning in the timing of the attack >>


Research

 

[Amused]

<< Man, it would be something else if they managed to hijack another few planes and target stadiums. Can you imagine a football game being plowed over with a 767? Holly cow, that would destroy the nation. Imagine seeing somewhere in the neighborhood of 80,000 people dying at a football game.

Good thing U of Tennessee is off this weekend. The second largest stadium in the country will be asleep this weekend. >>



Um, a little reality check here... a 767 could not take out an entire stadium. Although hitting a dome would increase the death toll a bit. But no where near even a 50% death rate. There's just too much area, and they can only hit once, on one side or the other. Hitting in the middle of an open air stadium would be useless, at most it would kill the players, those on the sidelines, and wound/kill those in the first few rows of seats. If it hits a side, only that quarter of the stadium would be affected.

The WTC tower attacks were so devastationg for two reasons: First, those above the impact site were trapped by the fire below. Secondly, the collapse killed most of the victims. A stadium will not trap unaffected people, they'll simply run out the other side, and a collapse will be localized, like the Pentagon. Unless, of course, they hit a dome. In that case the collapse of the roof will kill more.

 

[slipperyslope]

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<< Man, it would be something else if they managed to hijack another few planes and target stadiums. Can you imagine a football game being plowed over with a 767? Holly cow, that would destroy the nation. Imagine seeing somewhere in the neighborhood of 80,000 people dying at a football game.

Good thing U of Tennessee is off this weekend. The second largest stadium in the country will be asleep this weekend. >>



Um, a little reality check here... a 767 could not take out an entire stadium. Although hitting a dome would increase the death toll a bit. But no where near even a 50% death rate. There's just too much area, and they can only hit once, on one side or the other. Hitting in the middle of an open air stadium would be useless, at most it would kill the players, those on the sidelines, and wound/kill those in the first few rows of seats. If it hits a side, only that quarter of the stadium would be affected.

The WTC tower attacks were so devastationg for two reasons: First, those above the impact site were trapped by the fire below. Secondly, the collapse killed most of the victims. A stadium will not trap unaffected people, they'll simply run out the other side, and a collapse will be localized, like the Pentagon. Unless, of course, they hit a dome. In that case the collapse of the roof will kill more. >>




BUT BUT BUT, bombs would effectively take out a stadium. My university is saying that they are upping security. Well when none exists then it isn't hard to up it. It would be far to easy to drive bombs like Oklahoma City bombing up to the stadium on both sides and take the entire thing down. I just hope my Unversity is seriously increasing it security so that cars are not allowed to drive near the stadium.

Jim

 

[Amused]

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<< Man, it would be something else if they managed to hijack another few planes and target stadiums. Can you imagine a football game being plowed over with a 767? Holly cow, that would destroy the nation. Imagine seeing somewhere in the neighborhood of 80,000 people dying at a football game.

Good thing U of Tennessee is off this weekend. The second largest stadium in the country will be asleep this weekend. >>



Um, a little reality check here... a 767 could not take out an entire stadium. Although hitting a dome would increase the death toll a bit. But no where near even a 50% death rate. There's just too much area, and they can only hit once, on one side or the other. Hitting in the middle of an open air stadium would be useless, at most it would kill the players, those on the sidelines, and wound/kill those in the first few rows of seats. If it hits a side, only that quarter of the stadium would be affected.

The WTC tower attacks were so devastationg for two reasons: First, those above the impact site were trapped by the fire below. Secondly, the collapse killed most of the victims. A stadium will not trap unaffected people, they'll simply run out the other side, and a collapse will be localized, like the Pentagon. Unless, of course, they hit a dome. In that case the collapse of the roof will kill more. >>




BUT BUT BUT, bombs would effectively take out a stadium. My university is saying that they are upping security. Well when none exists then it isn't hard to up it. It would be far to easy to drive bombs like Oklahoma City bombing up to the stadium on both sides and take the entire thing down. I just hope my Unversity is seriously increasing it security so that cars are not allowed to drive near the stadium.

Jim >>



Think about this for a moment. The OK City Bomb was huge. It virtually filled a Rider truck. That truck was parked 8-10 feet from the building, and took out half the building. Had it been 20 feet back, it probably would have caused FAR less damage as it would not have broken the structural supports for the bottom floor, and caused the top floors to collapse. Remember, in both the WTC and OK City, the majority of the deaths were caused by the collapse, not the explosion itself.

How close can unsecured vehicles get to your stadium? You do realize that even if they COULD get within 10 feel of the stadium, the bomb would only cause the collpase of the stadium in that immediate area where it compromised the structural integrity of the lower supports. Two OK City bombs on opposite sides of a large circular stadium would, at most, cause the collapse of about 25% of the stadium (considering the pie shaped area taken out of the OK City building).

But ANYHOW, I know of very few stadiums in which an unsecured vehicle can get closer than 20 feet to the building. Much less both sides.

 

[royaldank]

Or the fact that coming in at 400 mph on one side of the stadium is most likely blow half the airplane and half the stands clear across to the other side. Imagine a plane running into the north side. The nose of the plane is going to shoot across in a big fireball to the south endzone, followed by a mass of bodies and stands. The stands would start to immediately crumble.

Just think how big those explosions where at the WTC. Imagine those happening in front of you at a football game. I'd say it would reach clear around the stadium. 50% would die, the rest would have severe burns all over them.

 

[Amused]

<< Or the fact that coming in at 400 mph on one side of the stadium is most likely blow half the airplane and half the stands clear across to the other side. Imagine a plane running into the north side. The nose of the plane is going to shoot across in a big fireball to the south endzone, followed by a mass of bodies and stands. The stands would start to immediately crumble.

Just think how big those explosions where at the WTC. Imagine those happening in front of you at a football game. I'd say it would reach clear around the stadium. 50% would die, the rest would have severe burns all over them. >>



You're way over estimating the damage. Look at the Pentagon. It's a reinforced concrete structure, much like most stadiums. It stopped the plane dead within the first one and a half hallways/compartments. The WTC was a very diifferent animal. It had it's entire structural support in it's walls. Once the plane got through the first wall, it had a clear passage all the way through with the exception of a very slim support structure right in the middle.

You can't look at a reinforced concrete structure filled with regularly place supports, and compare that to the WTC. They are vastly different. A large concrete stadium would act much more like the Pentagon.

 

[slipperyslope]

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<< Man, it would be something else if they managed to hijack another few planes and target stadiums. Can you imagine a football game being plowed over with a 767? Holly cow, that would destroy the nation. Imagine seeing somewhere in the neighborhood of 80,000 people dying at a football game.

Good thing U of Tennessee is off this weekend. The second largest stadium in the country will be asleep this weekend. >>



Um, a little reality check here... a 767 could not take out an entire stadium. Although hitting a dome would increase the death toll a bit. But no where near even a 50% death rate. There's just too much area, and they can only hit once, on one side or the other. Hitting in the middle of an open air stadium would be useless, at most it would kill the players, those on the sidelines, and wound/kill those in the first few rows of seats. If it hits a side, only that quarter of the stadium would be affected.

The WTC tower attacks were so devastationg for two reasons: First, those above the impact site were trapped by the fire below. Secondly, the collapse killed most of the victims. A stadium will not trap unaffected people, they'll simply run out the other side, and a collapse will be localized, like the Pentagon. Unless, of course, they hit a dome. In that case the collapse of the roof will kill more. >>




BUT BUT BUT, bombs would effectively take out a stadium. My university is saying that they are upping security. Well when none exists then it isn't hard to up it. It would be far to easy to drive bombs like Oklahoma City bombing up to the stadium on both sides and take the entire thing down. I just hope my Unversity is seriously increasing it security so that cars are not allowed to drive near the stadium.

Jim >>



Think about this for a moment. The OK City Bomb was huge. It virtually filled a Rider truck. That truck was parked 8-10 feet from the building, and took out half the building. Had it been 20 feet back, it probably would have caused FAR less damage as it would not have broken the structural supports for the bottom floor, and caused the top floors to collapse. Remember, in both the WTC and OK City, the majority of the deaths were caused by the collapse, not the explosion itself.

How close can unsecured vehicles get to your stadium? You do realize that even if they COULD get within 10 feel of the stadium, the bomb would only cause the collpase of the stadium in that immediate area where it compromised the structural integrity of the lower supports. Two OK City bombs on opposite sides of a large circular stadium would, at most, cause the collapse of about 25% of the stadium (considering the pie shaped area taken out of the OK City building).

But ANYHOW, I know of very few stadiums in which an unsecured vehicle can get closer than 20 feet to the building. Much less both sides. >>




Picture of our stadium

The stadium is not a round stadium like you are talking about. It has supports on both sides for the upper deck. You put a few bombs on both sides you will take out the supports. Then the stadium goes down. The very bottom half of the lower deck would be fine.

You can drive on BOTH sides of the stadium. I am not trying to say the stadium is in any danger I am just saying it seems to be an easy target. It holds like 85,000 people. I doubt that many people will be there on Saturday but I bet 75,000 people will show up.

EDIT: Forgot to answer one question. On one side of the stadium they can drive right under the upper deck. Look at the left side of the stadium in that picture. People park there every game. On the other side it would be more difficult but IF someone went suicide they could just drive through a fence and hit the other side.
Jim

 

[DannyLove]

i FREAKKKKKING HATE FORWARD EMAILS, just like those retarded spammers that kepy sending that Canadian Letter to the USA< people believe ANYTHING!

danny~!

 

[Amused]

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<< Man, it would be something else if they managed to hijack another few planes and target stadiums. Can you imagine a football game being plowed over with a 767? Holly cow, that would destroy the nation. Imagine seeing somewhere in the neighborhood of 80,000 people dying at a football game.

Good thing U of Tennessee is off this weekend. The second largest stadium in the country will be asleep this weekend. >>



Um, a little reality check here... a 767 could not take out an entire stadium. Although hitting a dome would increase the death toll a bit. But no where near even a 50% death rate. There's just too much area, and they can only hit once, on one side or the other. Hitting in the middle of an open air stadium would be useless, at most it would kill the players, those on the sidelines, and wound/kill those in the first few rows of seats. If it hits a side, only that quarter of the stadium would be affected.

The WTC tower attacks were so devastationg for two reasons: First, those above the impact site were trapped by the fire below. Secondly, the collapse killed most of the victims. A stadium will not trap unaffected people, they'll simply run out the other side, and a collapse will be localized, like the Pentagon. Unless, of course, they hit a dome. In that case the collapse of the roof will kill more. >>




BUT BUT BUT, bombs would effectively take out a stadium. My university is saying that they are upping security. Well when none exists then it isn't hard to up it. It would be far to easy to drive bombs like Oklahoma City bombing up to the stadium on both sides and take the entire thing down. I just hope my Unversity is seriously increasing it security so that cars are not allowed to drive near the stadium.

Jim >>



Think about this for a moment. The OK City Bomb was huge. It virtually filled a Rider truck. That truck was parked 8-10 feet from the building, and took out half the building. Had it been 20 feet back, it probably would have caused FAR less damage as it would not have broken the structural supports for the bottom floor, and caused the top floors to collapse. Remember, in both the WTC and OK City, the majority of the deaths were caused by the collapse, not the explosion itself.

How close can unsecured vehicles get to your stadium? You do realize that even if they COULD get within 10 feel of the stadium, the bomb would only cause the collpase of the stadium in that immediate area where it compromised the structural integrity of the lower supports. Two OK City bombs on opposite sides of a large circular stadium would, at most, cause the collapse of about 25% of the stadium (considering the pie shaped area taken out of the OK City building).

But ANYHOW, I know of very few stadiums in which an unsecured vehicle can get closer than 20 feet to the building. Much less both sides. >>




Picture of our stadium

The stadium is not a round stadium like you are talking about. It has supports on both sides for the upper deck. You put a few bombs on both sides you will take out the supports. Then the stadium goes down. The very bottom half of the lower deck would be fine.

You can drive on BOTH sides of the stadium. I am not trying to say the stadium is in any danger I am just saying it seems to be an easy target. It holds like 85,000 people. I doubt that many people will be there on Saturday but I bet 75,000 people will show up.

Jim >>



In looking at this picture, I see that the general public parking is more than 200 feet away. And I bet on game day that cops and security keep vehicles from getting any closer. They have to or people would all try to drive right up to the stadium, causing gridlock.

In the unlikely event that two trucks could get up there, I agree that the death toll could reach 50%, since all the people are concentrated on two sides instead of four.

That said, why would they target a college instead of a pro football stadium?