SATANISM does NOT make ANY sense (insightful thought)

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Nemesis77

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Also, in LeVay Satanism there is also a "rule" to never harm another living thing.
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True. Eleven rules of LeVay satanism are as follows:

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another?s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
 

rudder

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Most of the satanists I have come across, believe in that crap for one reason: shock value.
 

Sir Fredrick

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I thought that Satanists were called that because Christians were trying to create confusion and portray them as evil...the Satanists happened to like the name, however, so it stuck. As others have said, satanism is definitely not devil worship. :)
 

Lucky

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No religion makes sense.

Leave the "insightful thought" comments to /. , as they seem to do a better job.
 

Sir Fredrick

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Oh yeah, many dictionary entries are nothing more than the popular definition of a word -- that is, what MOST people think it means. They go around asking people the meaning of a word before it is added to the dictionary.
Most people think satanism is devil worship, but that doesn't mean that it is.
 

Nefrodite

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you want religion to make sense? good luck.. all good all knowing god would never create a world/angel that would eventually become evil. so god is evil or careless. ah well
 

LikeLinus

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I think the real problem is "satanist" follow the book of some fool - Anton LeVey - That's pretty sad in itself. Lets first take the name? "The Satanic Bible". Ok you can sit around and be completely ignorant all you want, but for all intensive purposes it's named after SATAN. Which means Anton LeVey obviously believed in heaven/hell in some form. If he was creating a new religion why would he associate it with the word SATAN? Do you people really believe it's just a coincidence? The Satanic Bible? Chruch of Satan? Has he made you that blind? Ontop of that this book was written in 1966?

You realize you are all sheep of this guy LeVey? He's no different than any money grubbing evil prick in this world.

When the Chruch Of Satan was opened, LaVey pointed out that "calling it a Church enabled me to follow the magic formula of one part outrage to nine parts social respectability that is needed for success. But the main purpose was to gather a group of like-minded individuals together for the use of their combined energies in calling up the dark force in nature that is called Satan." ON QUOTE

Ok right here he admits to knowing there is a Devil, Satan?

"Satanism represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!" AND "4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy. "

Here's where Satanism gets stupid. LeVey basically tells you that if anyone annoys you or bothers you, for you to hurt them or destroy them (ive seen him use that word also). So instead of letting other people have their opinions, thinking for themselves, acting like themselves, you have to hurt them? This is also where it gets very hypocritical. He wants you to be your own god, and act accordingly, but where do you respect the others that are "acting like gods"? You hurt them? But you shouldn't you respect them for doing as they please? What kind of ass-backwards thinking is that.

"1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked."

Yet again, you are not supposed to speakout (we do live in a land of free speech?) unless you are spoken to? This is his way to make you subserviant. Apparently he doesn't want you to have your own thoughts outloud unless asked? This is pretty stupid as humans.


From Misantrophia

"I admire my bull terrier, Typhon, who can rage and snarl and try to kill while wagging his tail. It is patently sport - enjoyment - for him to snarl and tear at his opponent. A great lesson can be learned from him. He will not give his victim the satisfaction of thinking that, in his rage, he might be unhappy. "

"Is it irony that the only times I have progressed is when I have hurt someone else? Or does evil really conquer good in the end? It appears that evil (fear) is the prime mover, while goodness is complacency and stagnation." From On The Choice Of A Human Sacrifice

"The supposed purpose in performing the ritual of sacrifice is to throw the energy provided by the blood of the freshly slaughtered victim into the atmosphere of the magickal working, thereby intensifying the magician's chances of success"

"Contrary to all established magical theory, the release of this form is NOT effected in the actual spilling of blood, but in the death throes of the living creature! " The use of human sacrifice in a Satanic ritual does not imply that the sacrifice is used to "appease the gods." Symbolically, the victim is destroyed through the workings of a hex or curse, which in turn leads to the physical. mental or emotional destruction of the "sacrifice" in ways and means not attributable to the magician. The only time a Satanist would perform a human sacrifice would be if it were to serve a two-fold purpose; that being to release the magician's wrath in the throwing of a curse, and, more important, to dispose of a totally obnoxious and deserving individual."

Human Sacrifice??? This is where this wack job is going to get someone hurt. Kids read this and then get this idea in their head that they need a human sacrifice to correct things going on.

"When a person, by reprehensible behavior, practically cries out to be destroyed, it is truly your moral obilgation to indulge them in their wish"

This is just plain wrong also. Some people in this world (people with Bipolar/Manic Depression) suffer through great depressions sometimes and feel the need to die or bleed. But this does NOT mean these people truely want to die. It is NOT a humans obligation to snuff these people out of the world because they "wish" this at some point. Taking another humans life because of their actions and/or words is not your job or decision.

Basically through alot of what he as said, he does like inflicting pain, hurting others, creating chaos. It is VERY apparent this guy was just a dominate type person (likes to inflict pain, be in control) with some sort of mental problems (i.e. bipolar or such) He might have been abused as a child and this is his way to act out for whatever reason.

This stuff is all for shock value. I really cannot believe people believe in this hog wash and follow this wack job.

I don't believe that "Satan Worshipers" are the same as "Satanist". They are right on that. Satan Worshipers are doing it to be sick twisted kids with no direction. Most "Satanist" are doing it for various reasons and don't realize they are basically following a cult. A good number of them fall into this stuff to replace something they are lacking in real life.

The problem with Satanism is the fact that they want you to do varing degree of unkind things to other people if you do not agree with their attitude, actions, or beliefs. This is just wrong.

I know christianity has it's flaws and contradictions, but at the very least it teaches you to respect others and love them. In a world full of sh!t, is it better to teach each other to hurt, or to love? Do you really want your children beating up some kid at school because he annoys him? Or would you rather have him walk off and make friends with him later?

Living for yourself and making yourself your "own god" (satanism), in general, doesn't seem like a good thing. I'm done..sorry for the rambling, it was an interesting subject to reply to.




 

Nemesis77

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I think the real problem is "satanist" follow the book of some fool - Anton LeVey - That's pretty sad in itself.
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No they don't LaVey wrote the satanic bible, but not all satanists follow it. Those who choose to follow it, do so. But the whole point of satanism is that you can choose your own path, you don't have to follow anyone if you don't want to.



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Most "Satanist" are doing it for various reasons and don't realize they are basically following a cult
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No they don't. Satanism is no cult, I don't think there's a official cult or anything (LeVay isn't really satanism). Satanism is about individuality, not about following anyone. That's against what cult's are. Cults are about following a leader. And that against basic principles of satanism.
 

LikeLinus

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IF you want individuality, why did you have to get that concept from a book? Why are you "following" those rules? You cant learn about individuality, you either do it or not. No book or guy is going to help you do that.

As far as i know, satanism was not a term that people used before LeVey? Did he not originate the ideals of "Satanism"?

I didn't directly mean that "Satanism" as a whole is a cult, but the Church of Satan looks to be that way. I think he wrote that book to make a cult like following, hence what i meant about cult. I don't mean cult in the sence of the term, like applewhite. I mean in that he has this mass of people that follow the words that he speaks. You guys actually ARE following his beliefs in a way because you had to question how to obtain individuality and being yourself before by reading other peoples works?. It shouldnt take study time to learn this stuff.


You cannot be an individualist if you are call yourself as Satanic. It's all just a label and you have to realize that by reading those books, using those theories, you are no longer an individualist! You are just another sheep using other peoples thoughts and ideas and making them your own and believing them! Where is the individuality in that? There is none! Thats why it's pretty funny when people say that.
 

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Lets just let people worship whatever they want. Jeez.

I believe that everyone has a right to choose what they believe in. If someone thinks that believing in Satan is best for his/her lifestyle, then why get upset about it? Same with believing in Jesus. If someone chooses to believe in God, then all power to him/her. Anything less would be un-American and then we are worse than some third world countries

Just my opinion :)
 

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IF you want individuality, why did you have to get that concept from a book? Why are you "following" those rules? You cant learn about individuality, you either do it or not. No book or guy is going to help you do that.
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are you talking to me? I'm no satanist, I haven't read the satanic bible.

Why do people have to get the concept from a book? Well, it could be that a satanist writes a book about his philosophy in life. Someone who feels the same way reads it and finds out that he feels the same way as the writer does. That does not mean that the reader is "following" the writer.



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As far as i know, satanism was not a term that people used before LeVey? Did he not originate the ideals of "Satanism"?
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To my knowledge, he was in the forefront of spreading the philosophy. But I don't think LeVay is about satanism. It seems that his philosophy had elements from both Satan Worshipping and Satanism.



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I didn't directly mean that "Satanism" as a whole is a cult, but the Church of Satan looks to be that way.
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Church of Satan might be a cult, but that does NOT mean that satanism is a cult! Since Church of Satan seems to have very little to do with "real" satanism. Satanist are individualistics, and while they might prefer the company of people who think like they do, I find it difficult to beleive that they would choose to follow someone. That goes against their outlook in life.



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You guys actually ARE following his beliefs in a way because you had to question how to obtain individuality and being yourself before by reading other peoples works?.
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I'm no satanist, and even if I were, I wouldn't follow LeVay. The people who follow him do so because they choose to.



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You cannot be an individualist if you are call yourself as Satanic.
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Yes they could. Satanism if a form of philosophy. Anyone who thinks according to that philosophy can call themselves satanists. Calling themselves satanist don't make them any less individualistic.



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You are just another sheep using other peoples thoughts and ideas and making them your own and believing them! Where is the individuality in that? There is none! Thats why it's pretty funny when people say that.
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So, if someone thinks according to satanic philosophy, and he then reads a book about satanism and he then thinks to himself "this philosophy is exactly what I think! So I guess I'm a satanist". Does that make him a sheep? I don't think so. And you can read about satanism (or about anything), and find out that it intrigues you, and that would not make you a sheep. Being a sheep is to unquestionally follow someones orders, and I don't think satanists do that. There are no "satanist-leaders". The whole philosophy is composed of free-thinking individuals. Just because some books are written about it and some people might have become satanists because of those books, it does NOT make them sheeps!

Being a satanist is anything but being a sheep, since majority of people are not satanists. And majority of people would give you weird looks if you told them that you are a satanist. Being a sheep is to be something because others are like that. And since satanists are a minority, people don't become satanists because it's popular.
 

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J3anyus got it right. Satanism is actually generally misunderstood/ or people have a wrong perception of what it is.

hehe MooGotQuiet, its okay, no one knows all the facts and thats why everyone should always be in a perpetual state of learning.

And No, I am ultimately Agnostic, with my own philosophical views leaning towards a zen like buddhism.

-M.T.O
 

LikeLinus

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Nemesis77 - my individuality comments were not towards you personally, nothing i said is towards anyone! Just general comments.

But to make myself crystal clear. Individuality is NOT what you practice or believe. IT has nothing to do with satanism or anything like that. Individuality is just being yourself and not doing things for any reason other than self happiness. Just being YOU. It has nothing to do with ay belief system. You cannot say your an individualist just cause you dont belive in heaven/hell, or that you believe in some form of Satanism.

<Church of Satan might be a cult, but that does NOT mean that satanism is a cult! Since Church of Satan seems to have very little to do with "real" satanism. Satanist are individualistics, and while they might prefer the company of people who think like they do, I find it difficult to beleive that they would choose to follow someone. That goes against their outlook in life.>

As i said "Satanism" isn't a cult, per say, but it has elements of it. He wrote this stuff! You guys are getting concepts from one guys mind, one guys writtings. You also have to realize you cannot decipher between Church of Satan and Satanism! LeVey created both, they are both one in the same! I know LeVey didn't necessarily create *all* the ideals of Satanism, but people who follow his writings and his theories are Satanist, which yes are just mindless sheep :D j/k, to an extent.

Maybe sheep isnt a good term, but people who preach Satanism and how great LeVey and his ideas are seem to have a one track closed mind. They don't realize the serious flaws in his writings and the fact that one guy cannot come up with some great religion.

In truth, you are right, people don't become Satanist because they want to be come popular. They general becoming Satanist because they aren't popular and are seeking some kind of answer to everything terrible in their lives. This of course isn't true about everyone, but most the people i have ever encountered that are "Satanist" (not worshipers, thers a difference) are not all there and seem to be making up for something. When you try and place yourself as a "God" and answer to no one makes you feel a hell of alot better than following other people. This is all just my theory, but everything i've seen, makes it seem fact.


"But I don't think LeVay is about satanism" I really don't understand this. He is the one that created "satanism". Maybe you mean he's not really an athiest? He followed his own beliefs, which he even wrote. He coined the term satanism. So how he can't be about satanism is beyond me. I think the problem enlies that you guys call yourself satanist, but you aren't satanist? You (i mean you personally) sound like you dont agree with all his theories, but there isn't another name for what you are? So when you call yourself a "satanist" (not you, people in general) you are giving yourself a bad name. Don't call yourself something you aren't.

"There are no "satanist-leaders". The whole philosophy is composed of free-thinking individuals. Just because some books are written about it and some people might have become satanists because of those books, it does NOT make them sheeps!"

There are no "leaders", thats true, cause it's not a highly followed and preached belief. The "leader" died in 1997 from a heart attack. The church still goes on, but because of public outrage they do not promote it, it is all underground. Before 1966, how many people really had this belief system? I think he brought it to the front and thats why people started getting into it. It was the late 60's, early 70's and the start of the whole drug/sex revolution. I think people were looking for an outlet that would allow them to practice something strange/different?

Plus, isn't this post on Satanism? If you arent a Satanist, then you don't apply? I assumed we are talking about Satanism exclusively. It as a whole has serious flaws and preaches harm to others for personal enjoyment or retailation for many reasons. That in itself seems wrong.
 

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I think thats been well pointed out. But Satanism was founded with Satan in mind. But it's not about worshiping satan. Satan Worshiping and Satanism are two different things. Thats not the debate :D
 

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<< I think thats been well pointed out. But Satanism was founded with Satan in mind. But it's not about worshiping satan. Satan Worshiping and Satanism are two different things. Thats not the debate :D >>



Was satanism really "founded"? Satan is a mythical creature from the Bible, it has nothing to do with Satanism. I guess satanism is called satanism because it contradicts christianity in one key are: christianity teaches that we cannot be saved by ourselves, byt that we have to rely on God and Jesus. Satanism is the opposite. According to it, you and you alone can save yourself, you don't have to rely on anyone else.

Satanism is about self-empowerment.
 

jhu

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why is cargo carried by ships? why is a shipment carried by trucks? they're all just terms. satanism's just a term. they could've called it goatse.cx and no one would've known the difference (except for people who get riled up when they hear the word 'satanism')
 

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<< why is cargo carried by ships? why is a shipment carried by trucks? they're all just terms. satanism's just a term. they could've called it goatse.cx and no one would've known the difference (except for people who get riled up when they hear the word 'satanism') >>



Talking about sites you do not want to visit btw :p
 

azazyel

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GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

1st Satan does not equal the Devil!! Satan is a hebrew term that mean the accusor. If Satan did mean "the Devil" the why would Jesus called one of his desciples Satan?
Mathew 16
22": Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23": But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
2nd there is actually no Devil in the first place!
Bible Study Site
3rd As far as Satanism goes and it's origin please see this site. There is a very good article about it.
Satanism