Sarah Palin

[nick1985]

BTW I do believe the second amendment gives us the right to bear arms, so I went to the forest and tore them off a grizzly...


yes I thought removing toys from from fat and calorie laden food was a good idea....funny how people are allowed to believe what they want..

So just to get this hammered down, you claim to be for personal freedoms...when you agree with the personal freedoms.

Got it.

 

[manimal]

It is the same. Its personal freedom, deciding what to eat and smoke. manimal claims he is for personal freedoms, yet he supports government regulation of food.

So your in the stossel camp that wants abolishment of the FDA then? Funny how holding things against your personal litmus tests makes thinking easy for you..

 

[nick1985]

So your in the stossel camp that wants abolishment of the FDA then? Funny how holding things against your personal litmus tests makes thinking easy for you..

Uh what? Are you deflecting?


You are for personal freedom as long as it matches up with your liberal ideology, and all for squashing personal freedoms that dont. face it.

 

[manimal]

So just to get this hammered down, you claim to be for personal freedoms...when you agree with the personal freedoms.

Got it.

yes I believe in personal freedom. I also believe that guns should be difficult enough to get that drug dealers arent spraying schools with Uzi's..

OMG I WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHTS TO HAVE AN ASSAULT WEAPIN...


If you want to live in your absurdly simple world so be it....when you have enough life experience to understand the real world give me a shout out on the facebooks or the twitters....

 

[manimal]

Uh what? Are you deflecting?


You are for personal freedom as long as it matches up with your liberal ideology, and all for squashing personal freedoms that dont. face it.

your deflecting...one can have different opinions from your ideological idea of what is liberal or progressive or black or white....

try to understand that...

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I can see how some Republicans would be entertained by the way liberals get their knickers in a twist over Sarah Palin, but ultimately she's far more of a net drain on the Republican Party than the Democratic Party. I don't know a thinking Republican who would seriously support her as a presidential candidate. Speaking as a registered Democrat I'd love it if she runs.

 

[bamacre]

If only that weren't a hilarious distortion.

Regulation of marketing devices is not equal to preventing people from 'deciding what foods their kids should eat'.

OH MY, you are correct. I better revise my statement...

"Socially progressive?" "I believe people are responsible enough to decide if they want to smoke marijuana, but I don't think people are responsible enough react responsibly to advertising."

Is that better? :\

 

[bamacre]

So your in the stossel camp that wants abolishment of the FDA then? Funny how holding things against your personal litmus tests makes thinking easy for you..

That is because the FDA does not make decisions based on science.

Go ahead, ask for a link.

 

[nick1985]

yes I believe in personal freedom. I also believe that guns should be difficult enough to get that drug dealers arent spraying schools with Uzi's..

OMG I WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHTS TO HAVE AN ASSAULT WEAPIN...

FUD. UZI's are illegal as is. Also, the vast majority of guns are obtained illegally, so making them illegal(which they already are) would do jack anyway.


Limiting what firearms I can own (if any at all) and prohibiting me from carrying a concealed firearm is taking away my personal freedoms. Yet you claim to be for personal freedoms...odd how that is

 

[manimal]

FUD. UZI's are illegal as is. Also, the vast majority of guns are obtained illegally, so making them illegal would do jack anyway.

I am not advocating taking anyone's guns away, yes I know that Uzis are illegal, was making a point about assault weapons...


You make a good point about getting guns though...yes most guns that get into the hands of criminals are obtained illegally. How about we all work together to try to fix this problem..


Funny how the second anyone mentions guns the panties go flying...

 

[nick1985]

I am not advocating taking anyone's guns away, yes I know that Uzis are illegal, was making a point about assault weapons...

How do you define an assault weapon? Anything scary looking or anything select-fire?

 

[manimal]

That is because the FDA does not make decisions based on science.

Go ahead, ask for a link.

Go read some Upton Sinclair and ask me why the fda exists...do I think they are managed like crap......yes...does not mean they have done more bad than good though...


rigid ideological litmus tests have led us down the road we are on today....did any of you read any parts of Rick Perry's book?

Is this what you want for America?

 

[manimal]

How do you define an assault weapon? Anything scary looking or anything select-fire?

How do you define freedom?

we can go around and around on this crap for days....

 

[nick1985]

How do you define freedom?

we can go around and around on this crap for days....

I was asking a serious question. What defines an assault weapon. Since you want to ban them, asking you what they are is not "crap". I'm genuinely curious.

 

[manimal]

I was asking a serious question. What defines an assault weapon. Since you want to ban them, asking you what they are is not "crap". I'm genuinely curious.

selective fire full automatic capable or easily modified into such capabilities..


I actually dont think a full ban is necessary. I do think the registry needs to be robust and personal responsibility for the real owner should it get into someone elses hands should a crime occur.

If someone at a gun show knowingly sells a gun registered to him to someone under the table and that assault weapon ends up in the hands of a criminal should the person that sold the gun be held by some standard?

I personally own 4 handguns and two shotguns as well as some antiques that I keep in storage. I keep my guns under lock and key in a full size gun safe...

Personal responsibility with accountability is how I live my life...its the standard that gun owners should hope for..owning that weapon is a big responsibility. If they abuse it they should be held accountable..

 

[Bowfinger]

OH MY, you are correct. I better revise my statement...

"Socially progressive?" "I believe people are responsible enough to decide if they want to smoke marijuana, but I don't think people are responsible enough react responsibly to advertising."

Is that better? :\

No, not really. There's all the difference in the world between allowing individuals to make their own, well-educated decisions, vs. allowing organizations to lie to the public. This is doubly true when those lies are motivated by commercial interests (i.e., not individual expression) or when those lies are intentionally fabricated to impede well-educated decisions. There is a legitimate societal interest in forbidding misleading commercial advertising.

 

[Bowfinger]

drives the left batshit crazy.

This is purely a troll thread. Is it now official that shameless trolling is allowed in P&N?

 

[manimal]

Sorry for the thread derail but this conversation is much more entertaining than talking about that vapid cretin..

 

[nick1985]

selective fire full automatic capable or easily modified into such capabilities..

Well since those are all banned anyway, I'm glad you dont want to ban my AR or my FAL.

:thumbsup:

 

[nick1985]

This is purely a troll thread. Is it now official that shameless trolling is allowed in P&N?

Yes, its allowed.

 

[manimal]

Well since those are all banned anyway, I'm glad you dont want to ban my AR or my FAL.

:thumbsup:

If you obtained your AR and FAL legally and store them properly and use them responsibly than you can keep them, now if you modify your AR and it ends up in the hands of someone who ends up murdering children then you need to be held partially responsible..


see how much we actually have in common?

 

[bamacre]

No, not really. There's all the difference in the world between allowing individuals to make their own, well-educated decisions, vs. allowing organizations to lie to the public.

You are exactly right, and I agree. But that's fraud, and this is one place where government is necessary for free markets to work.

 

[manimal]

You are exactly right, and I agree. But that's fraud, and this is one place where government is necessary for free markets to work.

yay for common sense trumping ideology...

 

[Bowfinger]

You are exactly right, and I agree. But that's fraud, and this is one place where government is necessary for free markets to work.

So then you agree with your so-called "progressives," that people can make their own decisions regarding marijuana but the government has a legitimate role in regulating fraudulent marketing. Awesome! Group hug.

 

[Amused]

What I find amusing is I have become labeled a batshit liberal because I am socially progressive and advocate for the poor and personal freedom..

Really?

An advocate for personal freedom, huh?

So what if I want to carry a gun?

What if I want to buy a cheeseburger happy meal with a toy in it?

What if I want to ride a motorcycle without a helmet or drive without a seatbelt?

What about medical freedom under the progressive ideal of healthcare (socialized)?

How about financial freedoms?

The fuck you advocate for personal freedoms.

About the ONLY freedoms the progressives advocate for are sexual, reproductve and maybe drugs. Anything other than that and you guys haven't seen a freedom you didn't want to limit, ban or tax.