Sarah Palin to be McCain's VP!!

[Farang]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

What's so baffling? Democrats have never said experience was important, McCain did. McCain has harped for months about how important experience is, and then picked one of the least experienced VP candidates in US history. I for one don't care about experience, but it does provide some insight into McCain that apparently even HE doesn't believe his own bullshit.

Still pretending that the Presidency and the Vice Presidency are the same thing, eh?

McCain is a 72 year old cancer survivor. He has perhaps the highest likelihood of any president in recent history of dying in office. So they should be considered to be the same thing.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
[She doesn't need foreign policy experience, that is McCain's strength.

Yeah he strongly fucked up in Iraq, Afghanistan and now in Georgia. Oh wait that was Bush with McCain supporting him 100%

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: Jakeisbest

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: Farang
Also how is this at all "Country First?" There are much more qualified candidates who share similar values. McCain put McCain first in picking someone to appeal to Clinton voters.

She doesn't appeal to Clinton voters, she appeals to only the ones that voted for clinton because she was a woman. Palin appeals to true conservatives and was chosen to energize the base, She was chosen because she has hardly any of the negatives the others have and won't split the base.

Hardly any of the negatives? What role does she fill? She has no foreign policy experience, no national policy experience, and not even very much State policy experience (and her state experience was in Alaska at that).

How can McCain with a straight face tell the public that Obama does not have enough experience to lead and then pick a VP with less experience?

McCain has lost a huge line of attack to gain what? A woman as a VP? Some one would have to have been voting based solely on Gender to jump ships. I suppose their are people that stupid out there but I assume they are in states that McCain was going to win any way.

She does not have LESS experience than Obama... she has MORE experience than Obama at the executive level.

Add to that fact that she is running as the VP, where a little on-the-job training is expected, while Obama seeks to be Commander-in-Chief, having the thinnest resume of foreign-policy and executive experience.

She is also a true conservative, which helps shore up his base-- his biggest problem thus far.

If a few extra women cover over to vote for him simply because Palin is a women, that is just icing on the cake.

Thanks for the help guys.

She doesn't need foreign policy experience, that is McCain's strength. She fills in his holes... She has executive experience (Mayor and Governor), even if it's a small budget, any state budget is small in comparison to the nations. The point is she ran a mini-US. She also fills in the holes in McCain's domestic policy weakness.

Considering McCain is 72 years old and not exactly the picture of perfect health, the question remains...
Is she at all the person that the American people want as the President (that is the VPs main job after all)? I think not...

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

What's so baffling? Democrats have never said experience was important, McCain did. McCain has harped for months about how important experience is, and then picked one of the least experienced VP candidates in US history. I for one don't care about experience, but it does provide some insight into McCain that apparently even HE doesn't believe his own bullshit.

Still pretending that the Presidency and the Vice Presidency are the same thing, eh?

McCain is a 72 year old cancer survivor. He has perhaps the highest likelihood of any president in recent history of dying in office. So they should be considered to be the same thing.

Mhm. Just because you say so doesn't make it true.

Besides, in the unlikely event that she is forced to assume office, she simply appoints someone with experience like Cheney to the VP office and is on even ground with Obama/Biden.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: Jakeisbest

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: Farang
Also how is this at all "Country First?" There are much more qualified candidates who share similar values. McCain put McCain first in picking someone to appeal to Clinton voters.

She doesn't appeal to Clinton voters, she appeals to only the ones that voted for clinton because she was a woman. Palin appeals to true conservatives and was chosen to energize the base, She was chosen because she has hardly any of the negatives the others have and won't split the base.

Hardly any of the negatives? What role does she fill? She has no foreign policy experience, no national policy experience, and not even very much State policy experience (and her state experience was in Alaska at that).

How can McCain with a straight face tell the public that Obama does not have enough experience to lead and then pick a VP with less experience?

McCain has lost a huge line of attack to gain what? A woman as a VP? Some one would have to have been voting based solely on Gender to jump ships. I suppose their are people that stupid out there but I assume they are in states that McCain was going to win any way.

She does not have LESS experience than Obama... she has MORE experience than Obama at the executive level.

Add to that fact that she is running as the VP, where a little on-the-job training is expected, while Obama seeks to be Commander-in-Chief, having the thinnest resume of foreign-policy and executive experience.

She is also a true conservative, which helps shore up his base-- his biggest problem thus far.

If a few extra women cover over to vote for him simply because Palin is a women, that is just icing on the cake.

Thanks for the help guys.

She doesn't need foreign policy experience, that is McCain's strength. She fills in his holes... She has executive experience (Mayor and Governor), even if it's a small budget, any state budget is small in comparison to the nations. The point is she ran a mini-US. She also fills in the holes in McCain's domestic policy weakness.

Considering McCain is 72 years old and not exactly the picture of perfect health, the question remains...
Is she at all the person that the American people want as the President (that is the VPs main job after all)? I think not...

Well, Obama certainly isn't.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
[She doesn't need foreign policy experience, that is McCain's strength.

Yeah he strongly fucked up in Iraq, Afghanistan and now in Georgia. Oh wait that was Bush with McCain supporting him 100%

Uh... he was right about the surge. What are you talking about with Afghanistan and Georgia?

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

What's so baffling? Democrats have never said experience was important, McCain did. McCain has harped for months about how important experience is, and then picked one of the least experienced VP candidates in US history. I for one don't care about experience, but it does provide some insight into McCain that apparently even HE doesn't believe his own bullshit.

Still pretending that the Presidency and the Vice Presidency are the same thing, eh?

McCain is a 72 year old cancer survivor. He has perhaps the highest likelihood of any president in recent history of dying in office. So they should be considered to be the same thing.

Mhm. Just because you say so doesn't make it true.

Besides, in the unlikely event that she is forced to assume office, she simply appoints someone with experience like Cheney to the VP office and is on even ground with Obama/Biden.

Just because I say so doesn't make it true. Touche..

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: QED

Originally posted by: Jakeisbest

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: Farang
Also how is this at all "Country First?" There are much more qualified candidates who share similar values. McCain put McCain first in picking someone to appeal to Clinton voters.

She doesn't appeal to Clinton voters, she appeals to only the ones that voted for clinton because she was a woman. Palin appeals to true conservatives and was chosen to energize the base, She was chosen because she has hardly any of the negatives the others have and won't split the base.

Hardly any of the negatives? What role does she fill? She has no foreign policy experience, no national policy experience, and not even very much State policy experience (and her state experience was in Alaska at that).

How can McCain with a straight face tell the public that Obama does not have enough experience to lead and then pick a VP with less experience?

McCain has lost a huge line of attack to gain what? A woman as a VP? Some one would have to have been voting based solely on Gender to jump ships. I suppose their are people that stupid out there but I assume they are in states that McCain was going to win any way.

She does not have LESS experience than Obama... she has MORE experience than Obama at the executive level.

Add to that fact that she is running as the VP, where a little on-the-job training is expected, while Obama seeks to be Commander-in-Chief, having the thinnest resume of foreign-policy and executive experience.

She is also a true conservative, which helps shore up his base-- his biggest problem thus far.

If a few extra women cover over to vote for him simply because Palin is a women, that is just icing on the cake.

Thanks for the help guys.

She doesn't need foreign policy experience, that is McCain's strength. She fills in his holes... She has executive experience (Mayor and Governor), even if it's a small budget, any state budget is small in comparison to the nations. The point is she ran a mini-US. She also fills in the holes in McCain's domestic policy weakness.

Considering McCain is 72 years old and not exactly the picture of perfect health, the question remains...
Is she at all the person that the American people want as the President (that is the VPs main job after all)? I think not...

I think we'll know after the election. I know one things for certain, less than 8% of the democratic party wanted Biden. I don't trust him at all with anything, much less running the country. So yes, given the choices I would rather have her. She was successful mayor and governor. The US is a bigger version of what she has already run.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

What's so baffling? Democrats have never said experience was important, McCain did. McCain has harped for months about how important experience is, and then picked one of the least experienced VP candidates in US history. I for one don't care about experience, but it does provide some insight into McCain that apparently even HE doesn't believe his own bullshit.

Still pretending that the Presidency and the Vice Presidency are the same thing, eh?

There's a reason why the Constitution says that no person who is ineligible to be the president can be the vice president either. When choosing your vice president you are implicitly choosing someone to become the president if anything happens to you. Obviously you are choosing someone you believe capable to be president. If he thinks Palin is experienced enough, then Obama is experienced enough.

Stop being a hack for a second and try to look at this like an intelligent adult.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

What's so baffling? Democrats have never said experience was important, McCain did. McCain has harped for months about how important experience is, and then picked one of the least experienced VP candidates in US history. I for one don't care about experience, but it does provide some insight into McCain that apparently even HE doesn't believe his own bullshit.

Still pretending that the Presidency and the Vice Presidency are the same thing, eh?

McCain is a 72 year old cancer survivor. He has perhaps the highest likelihood of any president in recent history of dying in office. So they should be considered to be the same thing.

Mhm. Just because you say so doesn't make it true.

Oh it's true he's just saying the odds are worse for McCain due to his advanced age, his history with cancer,etc. The last President we had at his age was Reagan and he developed Alzheimer early into his second term.

No worries, If McCain somehow wins and is able tp last into a second term if he does kick the bucket by that time Palim will have enough experience to be the best she can as President. Frankly I think both her and Obama would be a better President now than that old Crank as they are a lot more mentally agile and would look at situations from a different fresher perspective and wouldn't be prone to follow the old tried and failed methods McCain would

 

[DanDaManJC]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Are you guys watching her speech?

She comes off as a soccer mom (excuse me...hockey mom) at best. Comparing Hillary to Palin is like comparing Lincoln to......a janitor? That's the closest comparison I can come up with.

Otherwise, she spouts out GOP talking points pretty well.

Obama's campaign already released a statement addressing her ethics investigation.

Again, republican voters arent led by emotion or a good speech. We are led by values and principles. So have fun with your good speeches and bad policies that the Obama camp provides.

QFT.

How about not?

I know this is really just stupid bickering and trolling.. but I can name several people that I personally know who vote on emotional lines on both sides of the political spectrum.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Oh it's true he's just saying the odds are worse for McCain due to his advanced age, his history with cancer,etc. The last President we had at his age was Reagan and he developed Alzheimer early into his second term.

No worries, If McCain somehow wins and is able tp last into a second term if he does kick the bucket by that time Palim will have enough experience to be the best she can as President. Frankly I think both her and Obama would be a better President now than that old Crank as they are a lot more mentally agile and would look at situations from a different fresher perspective and wouldn't be prone to follow the old tried and failed methods McCain would

Except a President is more likely to get shot than he is to die of old age. And who do you think all the rednecks are gunning for?

 

[Jakeisbest]

Originally posted by: QED
She does not have LESS experience than Obama... she has MORE experience than Obama at the executive level.

She does have MUCH less experience than Obama. Obama has been an editor of the Harvard Law Review, he taught CONSTITUTIONAL LAW at the University of Chicago for 12 years! As a senator he has been on the Foreign Relations Committee, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs.

Palin has a bachelor's degree in journalism from the University of Idaho? WTF? I bet that took some serious study time.

Otherwise she has been on the Wasilla City Council and then Mayor of Wasilla? A town in Alaska with LESS THAN 6000 PEOPLE? My high school was bigger than that! Then she managed to become governor of Alaska for a year and 1/2?

Originally posted by: QED
She is also a true conservative, which helps shore up his base-- his biggest problem thus far.

Palin helped pass a tax increase on oil company profits and has plans to create a new sub-cabinet group of advisors, to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska.

These are not the actions of a true conservative. She is a joke.

Also she has 5 kids? Christ, I have been around the world and only stupid people are breeding at that rate.

She wants to open up discussions on creationism in science class? I expect as a member of technology forum all of us can realize how retarded this is.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Oh it's true he's just saying the odds are worse for McCain due to his advanced age, his history with cancer,etc. The last President we had at his age was Reagan and he developed Alzheimer early into his second term.

No worries, If McCain somehow wins and is able tp last into a second term if he does kick the bucket by that time Palim will have enough experience to be the best she can as President. Frankly I think both her and Obama would be a better President now than that old Crank as they are a lot more mentally agile and would look at situations from a different fresher perspective and wouldn't be prone to follow the old tried and failed methods McCain would

Except a President is more likely to get shot than he is to die of old age. And who do you think all the rednecks are gunning for?

The last President to have a bullet in him was Ronald Reagan. Before that Ford simply got lucky in avoiding death. And it makes more sense for a redneck to kill McCain and have him replaced by a diehard conservative than it does to kill Obama and have him be replaced by Biden.

Also the score is 4-4 for presidents dying in office from natural causes versus assassination.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Oh it's true he's just saying the odds are worse for McCain due to his advanced age, his history with cancer,etc. The last President we had at his age was Reagan and he developed Alzheimer early into his second term.

No worries, If McCain somehow wins and is able tp last into a second term if he does kick the bucket by that time Palim will have enough experience to be the best she can as President. Frankly I think both her and Obama would be a better President now than that old Crank as they are a lot more mentally agile and would look at situations from a different fresher perspective and wouldn't be prone to follow the old tried and failed methods McCain would

Except a President is more likely to get shot than he is to die of old age. And who do you think all the rednecks are gunning for?

How many Presidents have there been that were 72 yr old Cancer Survivors ? Look I hope he lives to be 100 whether he's elected or not. His health will be monitored like no other but the stress he has had to endure during his life really takes it's toll on a body and it's organs.

 

[DanDaManJC]

damn... this thread is growing at an exponential rate.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: DanDaManJC
damn... this thread is growing at an exponential rate.

A lot of thread mergers.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Oh it's true he's just saying the odds are worse for McCain due to his advanced age, his history with cancer,etc. The last President we had at his age was Reagan and he developed Alzheimer early into his second term.

No worries, If McCain somehow wins and is able tp last into a second term if he does kick the bucket by that time Palim will have enough experience to be the best she can as President. Frankly I think both her and Obama would be a better President now than that old Crank as they are a lot more mentally agile and would look at situations from a different fresher perspective and wouldn't be prone to follow the old tried and failed methods McCain would

Except a President is more likely to get shot than he is to die of old age. And who do you think all the rednecks are gunning for?

The last President to have a bullet in him was Ronald Reagan. Before that Ford simply got lucky in avoiding death. And it makes more sense for a redneck to kill McCain and have him replaced by a diehard conservative than it does to kill Obama and have him be replaced by Biden.

Also the score is 4-4 for presidents dying in office from natural causes versus assassination.

People have already tried to kill Bush 41, Clinton, and Bush 43 as well through other means. Modern healthcare is also quite different than the 1800s.

What do the rednecks have against McCain, and more importantly, why do you think they are rational people?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Palin's 'Executive' Experience
(I think it's funny that 'Executive' is now placed in front of experience)

Alaska State Budget
$1.87 billion

Department of Administration
$15.7 million

Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development
$422.2 million

Department of Corrections
$6.2 million

Department of Education and Early Development
$193.5 million

Department of Environmental Conservation
$121.5 million

Department of Fish and Game
$31.4 million

Department of Health and Social Services
$37.9 million

Department of Natural Resources
$32.4 million

Department of Public Safety
$1.7 million

Department of Revenue
$63.9 million

Department of Transportation/Public Facilities
$809.4 million

University of Alaska
$95.8 million

Alaska Court System
$13.2 million


There is an estimated $1 billion in 'earmarks' added to the Alaska State budget - the majority of which ($662.5 million) go to Anchorage ...

10 Biggest Earmarks for Anchorage

$70.6 million -- Sport fish hatchery upgrade, improvements and construction
$46 million -- UAA Health Sciences building
$25.6 million -- Airport, south terminal seismic and retrofit
$25 million -- Fire Island wind farm
$25 million -- Port of Anchorage expansion
$22.1 million -- Dowling Road/Old Seward/Minnesota connections
$20 million -- Seward Highway, Windy Corner safety improvements
$19.5 million -- McLaughlin Youth Center renovation
$18 million -- Airport, taxiway and runway improvements

10 Smallest Earmarks for Anchorage

$1,500 -- King Career Center new signage for shop areas
$1,500 -- Mountain View Community Council spring cleanup
$2,000 -- Fire station No. 7, Wi-Fi equipment
$2,500 -- Mountain View community patrol
$2,500 -- Russian Jack community patrol
$2,500 -- Northeast community patrol
$2,500 -- Nunaka Valley community patrol
$2,500 -- West High library equipment and furniture
$2,500 -- Klatt Elementary, installation of existing video equipment
$3,000 -- Fire station No. 15, Wi-Fi equipment


The Alaska State budget is 208 pages. I'd say 175+ pages cover 'earmarks' (most are a couple thousand dollars but there are a few 'whoppers' in there)

As a comparison the budget for the City of Chicago for 2008 is $7.5 billion.

Since we're comparing, which budget was Obama in charge of? Maybe the Harvard Law Review?

Sheesh.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Oh it's true he's just saying the odds are worse for McCain due to his advanced age, his history with cancer,etc. The last President we had at his age was Reagan and he developed Alzheimer early into his second term.

No worries, If McCain somehow wins and is able tp last into a second term if he does kick the bucket by that time Palim will have enough experience to be the best she can as President. Frankly I think both her and Obama would be a better President now than that old Crank as they are a lot more mentally agile and would look at situations from a different fresher perspective and wouldn't be prone to follow the old tried and failed methods McCain would

Except a President is more likely to get shot than he is to die of old age. And who do you think all the rednecks are gunning for?

The last President to have a bullet in him was Ronald Reagan. Before that Ford simply got lucky in avoiding death. And it makes more sense for a redneck to kill McCain and have him replaced by a diehard conservative than it does to kill Obama and have him be replaced by Biden.

Also the score is 4-4 for presidents dying in office from natural causes versus assassination.

People have already tried to kill Bush 43.

How by giving him a bag of pretzels? Do you really think somebody thought Bush was stupid enough to choke on a Pretzel?

Bushes best life insurance policy was making Cheney VP. Nobody but Satan himself would prefer Cheney over Bush.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: bdude

You clearly know nothing.

That is easily the most intelligent rebuttal I've ever read on this forum.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: winnar111
People have already tried to kill Bush 43.

How by giving him a bag of pretzels? Do you really think somebody thought Bush was stupid enough to choke on a Pretzel?

Bushes best life insurance policy was making Cheney VP. Nobody but Satan himself would prefer Cheney over Bush.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/...ush.grenade/index.html

TBILISI, Georgia (CNN) -- A man has confessed to throwing a live grenade near where U.S. President George W. Bush was speaking during the American leader's visit to Georgia in May, a government official says.

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: Jakeisbest

Originally posted by: QED
She does not have LESS experience than Obama... she has MORE experience than Obama at the executive level.
....

She is also a true conservative, which helps shore up his base-- his biggest problem thus far.

She does have MUCH less experience than Obama. Obama has been an editor of the Harvard Law Review, he taught CONSTITUTIONAL LAW at the University of Chicago for 12 years!

All that would be great if the position were for teaching law somewhere. As far as I'm aware, that's not a part of the President's (or Vice-President's) job description.

As a senator he has been on the Foreign Relations Committee, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs.

And what exactly has he done on those committees? Sitting on a Senate committee does not automatically confer any extra level of insight or experience into that area. Most Committee meetings are public, so if I sit in on them, am I suddenly as qualified to be President as Obama?

Palin has a bachelor's degree in journalism from the University of Idaho? WTF? I bet that took some serious study time.

Otherwise she has been on the Wasilla City Council and then Mayor of Wasilla? A town in Alaska with LESS THAN 6000 PEOPLE? My high school was bigger than that! Then she managed to become governor of Alaska for a year and 1/2?

Bill Clinton governed Arkansas... albeit for quite a bit longer. Since when is being a governor not considered executive-level experience? Whether the budget is large or small, you still have to set priorities and initiatives, rally support among other leaders for your issues, and create policy.

Second Point.


Palin helped pass a tax increase on oil company profits and has plans to create a new sub-cabinet group of advisors, to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska.

Thats some true conservative ideals lets increase taxes and the power and size of the government.

So now you are complaining that's she not an extremist? You guys crack me up...

This is a joke.


[/quote]

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: winnar111
People have already tried to kill Bush 43.

How by giving him a bag of pretzels? Do you really think somebody thought Bush was stupid enough to choke on a Pretzel?

Bushes best life insurance policy was making Cheney VP. Nobody but Satan himself would prefer Cheney over Bush.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/...ush.grenade/index.html

TBILISI, Georgia (CNN) -- A man has confessed to throwing a live grenade near where U.S. President George W. Bush was speaking during the American leader's visit to Georgia in May, a government official says.

OK Satan and a Georgian.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: Vic
PaliMessiah 😉

She has more experience than Obama, but I don't think you should start worshiping her just yet. 😎

You swallow more than just what comes out of Rush Limbaugh's mouth, don't you?