Thegonagle
Diamond Member
She's the one under investigation for abuse of power, right?
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Sarah Palin to be McCain's VP!!
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HOLY SHIT. Growing up black now gives someone experience to be president. Good god there are millions of them! I can't believe you were stupid enough to say that?
Being the first black person to be president of the harvard law review? Lets remove "first black" and its not so impressive. Considering there are 2 senators in Illinois, he only represented half of the 12.8 million people. He has only been a senator for 2 years, most of which was spent running for president.
He is a good orator? My god, I had no idea he was this qualified! Thank you for clearing that up!
Now, lets give Mrs. Palin some more credit.
City Council members for 2 terms, '92 - '96
Mayor of Wasilla
President of the Alaska Council of Mayors
Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (resigned because of the lack of ethics of fellow R leaders)
Elected Governor of Alaska in 2006 and has been very successful in reforms and legislation, also maintains a 90% approval rating.
eits
Lifer
you think being a tortured p.o.w. is somehow comparable to growing up black as far as gaining judgment? i'm not saying that being black is harder than being a p.o.w... i'm just saying that they're not even in the same league when it comes to what experiences you gain from them... it's like apples and oranges.
351Cleveland
Golden Member
I cant speak for conservatives as a group, but I was ho hum on all of them EXCEPT this one. She was the only true conservative in the bunch (I leave out Jindal since he either asked not to be considered or wasnt consisdered... never thought he was even close). Romney has socialist tendencies. Ridge makes Lieberman look like a freaking rock star. Hutchinson and Pawlenty are both socially liberal. Palin was the only conserative in the bunch... and consequently the only hope in hell McCain has of winning. If he wins, it is because she was perfect in all aspects. She falters even a bit and it is over.
I tell you this... seems like there is more energy around picking Palin than there was around picking Biden. That is my seat-of-the-pants measurement. I was more afraid of Bayh or Kaine than I was of Biden.
As an Obama supporter I'm relieved by the pick and happy with it because I think it will be so disastrous, at the same time a little uneasy just because the unpredictability of results. The only advantage I see here that I noticed while watching the campaign spokesman, was that he chided the Obama campaign for criticizing her on 'this historic day.' What this could be is turning Obama's attack dog (Biden) against him because this lady will be so likable how dare anyone attack her.
ShotgunSteven
Lifer
Shows how much you know about how she got to be Governor. Nothing at all. :roll:
RightIsWrong
Diamond Member
Having grown up in small towns most of my childhood and living in a couple as adults, I wouldn't want the city council members of those towns or the mayor of any of them running anything bigger than a county fair.
The fact that she was governor is a nice aside, but the real tell sign that the right are trying their best to trick themselves into believing this is a good thing is her "domestic policy" experience?
What, besides dealing with oil execs does she know about domestic policy? What are her views on the healthcare crisis? What about the deficit? What about Wall St. scandals, the housing industry and financial industry in the midst of the biggest crisis in a couple of decades?
Yea, someone who spent a year as governor of a state that was barely affected by any of the issues that the other 49 states are dealing with thanks to mandatory payments by the oil industry is infinitely more prepared to step in as President. :roll:
The fact that she was governor is a nice aside, but the real tell sign that the right are trying their best to trick themselves into believing this is a good thing is her "domestic policy" experience?
What, besides dealing with oil execs does she know about domestic policy? What are her views on the healthcare crisis? What about the deficit? What about Wall St. scandals, the housing industry and financial industry in the midst of the biggest crisis in a couple of decades?
Yea, someone who spent a year as governor of a state that was barely affected by any of the issues that the other 49 states are dealing with thanks to mandatory payments by the oil industry is infinitely more prepared to step in as President. :roll:
Polls don't work like batting averages in baseball-- where it seems pretty obvious that it is easier to bat .750 for a game than it is to bat .750 for a whole season.
Again, please take a math class, or learn how polls work.
You do realize most polls only interview a thousand or so people, even when sampling populations as large as an entire state, or even a whole nation? Anything more is superflous and unnecessary. The 90% approval rating indicates that 90% of the thousand or so respondents to the poll (chosen selectively to represent a nice cross section of the state) approved of her, and they extrapolate that result to the whole state-- independent of whether the state has 50,000 people or 5 million people. When Bill Clinton or Barack Obama or George W. Bush or anyone else has their approval rating taken, they will ask roughly the same number of people (again, chosen selectively to represent a nice cross section of the whatever the demographic they are sampling for), and extrapolate those results to the whole population.
Yeah - for removing the head of the Public Service Commission for not firing her former brother-in-law, a State Trooper that was known to regularly drive his police car home from bars while intoxicated.
Last time I checked, she can remove her appointed personnel at will. That's what she did.
Again this highlights McCains poor judgment more than anything. Clearly there is a concern with his age that "something" could happen to him in office and to pick someone so inexperienced and unknown is a monumental judgment mistake. Do you really want Palin negotiating with Iran/Russia if something happens to him? Especially considering the other individuals he could have picked as a VP. McCain better HOPE TO HELL he has 0 medical issues between now and the election otherwise this will be on the forefront of voters minds (and rightfully should).
This also highlights that a McCain that it will be 4 more years of Bush policy of picking the least and worst qualified to do anything (e.g., Brownie, Meirs) and that is a problem for the issues facing our country today.
This also highlights that a McCain that it will be 4 more years of Bush policy of picking the least and worst qualified to do anything (e.g., Brownie, Meirs) and that is a problem for the issues facing our country today.
351Cleveland
Golden Member
You give McCain too much credit. He didnt have the conservative vote wrapped up. With him at the top of the ticket, I dont think he ever CAN wrap up the conservative vote. He isnt conservative. He might be talking that way now, but his record speaks otherwise.
On this point of WHAT state she was governor of... a) Neither on the Democrat ticket has any executive experience, so I will take Governor of 600,000 and mayor 6500 over... nothing?, b) Let's assume Senator = Governor (it doesnt by a long shot), Biden's state has not many more people... I wont talk Obama since his 140 days hardly count as experience.
I dont know that women will vote for her... she had a baby in April and looks THAT good THAT fast? They are gonna freaking hate her! 🙂
PS: What was the last ticket to win the White House WITHOUT executive experience? Seriously... I have no clue.
351Cleveland
Golden Member
What, you think Obama's good looks do nothing for him? Please... he plays it up in his intro songs while on the trail, and Michelle played it up at her speech at the DNC. I dont fault them, but goose and gander and all...
Reading comprehension matters. I know strong Hillary supporters wanted her in office, but there were many woman that would have supported any woman, just because they wanted a woman in office.
She is both a social and fiscal conservative. Look at her record as Mayor and also as governor for the fiscal conservative issues. She ran for mayor promising to cut wasteful spending. She cut her own pay and reduced property taxes 60%. She was against and stopped the "Bridge to Nowhere" and worked to make Alaska as self sufficient as possible.
She is the best of both worlds, in my opinion.
BTW: Romney may not have raised taxes, but he increased "fees" by millions. Romney was given the title of a "true conservative" by talk radio and pundits, but his record clearly was not that of a true conservative.
ShotgunSteven
Lifer
McCain is a Conservative? When did this occur?
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