Sarah Palin to be McCain's VP!!

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Genx87

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Genx87
I had Palin or Pawlenty as my hopefuls. Should be interesting to see how she is recieved by the general population. Ideally it does strike a wedge in the democrats. Especially the women who wanted Hillary and are still bitter over it.

Sorry the pick does nothing for Hillary supporters. She is a gun toting, anti-abortion advocate. The last thing in the world any feminist Democrat will support. Just like nobody was going to switch over when Biden was selected. Ridiculous pick. You have an aging McCain with the second person in command having more history as a beauty queen than political experience? Is this the best our country has to offer?

You assume every hillary supporter is a feminist. That is simply false. There are plenty of moderate women who were hillary supporters for the simple fact she is a women. I'd actually guess there are more moderates in that category than feminists.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Wow, she's younger than Obama and has only been governor for 1 year. How can he continue to claim that Obama isn't ready for office, when he's saying that Gov. Palin is?
I want to see the spin on this too.

One is running for President. One i running for VP. You dont know the difference? No wonder you are voting for Obama.

The point is there is no difference. The VP has to be ready to be President from day one.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She is a little young and short on experience.

Irony:
Democrats say McCain is too old and has been in Washington too long and then nominate someone nearly as old who has been in Washington longer.
Republicans say Obama is too young and inexperienced and then nominate someone as young and inexperienced.

Does that mute those lines of attack?

Yes, I think it does. One of Obama's major weknesses is his lack of real experience. That is why Biden was picked, to divert attacks that could have had a newbie governor and a newbie Senator on the ticket.

McCain has tons of experience, but is older while Palin is a newbie governor with not a lot of experience but will satisfy the core Conservative base. I personally disagree with McCain on many core such as immigration and campaign finance issues, but Palin will alleviate some of that for me.
 

pstylesss

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I didn't think I would wake up in a good mood because of his VP choice... I was scared it would be Romney. My day has gotten much better now. Great choice! Many of the pluses of my man Mike, with none of the distractions. :)

We'll see how she does among undecideds, I think she'll be a positive impact.
 

Capitalizt

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Mccain just clinched the nomination. Half of the women in this country will now vote Mccain regardless of what they think of him or his policies. The idea of a woman being a heartbeat away from the Presidency is extremely powerful.

I'd say Mccain just got 80% of Hillary's voters and 80% of moderate voters. That combined with the republican women = LANDSLIDE.

Brilliant political move but horrible for America. God help us.
 

Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Genx87
I had Palin or Pawlenty as my hopefuls. Should be interesting to see how she is recieved by the general population. Ideally it does strike a wedge in the democrats. Especially the women who wanted Hillary and are still bitter over it.

Sorry the pick does nothing for Hillary supporters. She is a gun toting, anti-abortion advocate. The last thing in the world any feminist Democrat will support. Just like nobody was going to switch over when Biden was selected. Ridiculous pick. You have an aging McCain with the second person in command having more history as a beauty queen than political experience? Is this the best our country has to offer?

You assume every hillary supporter is a feminist. That is simply false. There are plenty of moderate women who were hillary supporters for the simple fact she is a women. I'd actually guess there are more moderates in that category than feminists.

There are a lot of Hillary supporters down here. And every single one I have met is more to the left than the average Democrat. I find it very hard to believe that those same voters will throw away everything they believe in and switch sides to support a gun toting, anti-abortion governor from Alaska that has less than 2 years of experience. This weakens the McCain ticket.. The contrast between a liberal senator from NY like Hillary and conservative one from Alaska can not be more stark.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Wow, she's younger than Obama and has only been governor for 1 year. How can he continue to claim that Obama isn't ready for office, when he's saying that Gov. Palin is?
I want to see the spin on this too.

One is running for President. One i running for VP. You dont know the difference? No wonder you are voting for Obama.

The point is there is no difference. The VP has to be ready to be President from day one.

There is a difference. While you are right if McCain died between election day and inaguration she has little experience. But that requires a catostrophic event. Unlike Obama where the inexperience comes right out of the gate.

I think a VP having little experience is less of an issue than the presidential candidate.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
I like it, VP doesn't need all the experience in the world because they are not president. I think this will win back some of the hillary supporters by nothing other than her being a woman. Same thing happened with Hillary and Obama.

She seems to have good morals and a up and coming strong Republican. Reminds me of a true conservative rather than a mindless Republican or Democrat.

And that's the key. McCain doesn't need Hillary's supports, he needs the conservative vote. So far, they've been lukewarm to him.

A conservative one heartbeat from the Presidency with one year to her belt as governor.
She was a mayor for 10 years.

She actually has as more time in political office as Obama.

I HIGHLY doubt the Obama campaign even mentions her inexperience the retort is WAY to easy. Plus attacking a female will be bad politics as shown by the whole Hillary thing.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Wow, she's younger than Obama and has only been governor for 1 year. How can he continue to claim that Obama isn't ready for office, when he's saying that Gov. Palin is?
I want to see the spin on this too.

One is running for President. One i running for VP. You dont know the difference? No wonder you are voting for Obama.
So McCain will introduce Palin like this:

"My friends, she's not ready to lead the country, but she'll make a great sidekick."
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Wow, she's younger than Obama and has only been governor for 1 year. How can he continue to claim that Obama isn't ready for office, when he's saying that Gov. Palin is?
I want to see the spin on this too.

One is running for President. One i running for VP. You dont know the difference? No wonder you are voting for Obama.

The point is there is no difference. The VP has to be ready to be President from day one.

So does the President. Obama got rocked with this choice. Obama picked a Washington insider of 30 years as his VP while running on a platform of "change". McCain on the other hand has the experience needed to be President, and chose someone as far as humanly possible from Washington as HIS VP.
 

musicman64

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Am I the only one that thinks this will piss off a decent number of conservatives too? I truly believe misogyny is alive and well in this day and age... anyone?
 

jonks

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Since I know absolutely nothing about this woman and hadn't heard her name until yesterday I'll refrain from the kneejerk bashing.

McCain wants to be able to say he's running a "historical" ticket or something probably, except the woman vp has been done before.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Wow, she's younger than Obama and has only been governor for 1 year. How can he continue to claim that Obama isn't ready for office, when he's saying that Gov. Palin is?
I want to see the spin on this too.

One is running for President. One i running for VP. You dont know the difference? No wonder you are voting for Obama.
So McCain will introduce Palin like this:

"My friends, she's not ready to lead the country, but she'll make a great sidekick."

Where as Obama will say "Hey, I'm not ready to lead this country, but I'm a black liberal and I give a good speech"
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Genx87
I had Palin or Pawlenty as my hopefuls. Should be interesting to see how she is recieved by the general population. Ideally it does strike a wedge in the democrats. Especially the women who wanted Hillary and are still bitter over it.

Sorry the pick does nothing for Hillary supporters. She is a gun toting, anti-abortion advocate. The last thing in the world any feminist Democrat will support. Just like nobody was going to switch over when Biden was selected. Ridiculous pick. You have an aging McCain with the second person in command having more history as a beauty queen than political experience? Is this the best our country has to offer?

You assume every hillary supporter is a feminist. That is simply false. There are plenty of moderate women who were hillary supporters for the simple fact she is a women. I'd actually guess there are more moderates in that category than feminists.

There are a lot of Hillary supporters down here. And every single one I have met is more to the left than the average Democrat. I find it very hard to believe that those same voters will throw away everything they believe in and switch sides to support a gun toting, anti-abortion governor from Alaska that has less than 2 years of experience. This weakens the McCain ticket.. The contrast between a liberal senator from NY like Hillary and conservative one from Alaska can not be more stark.

Ok? I dont think every women in this country is more to the left of the democrat party do you? I find that awfully hard to believe. The circles you are running with are feminists which is fine. But that isnt what the majority of the women in this country are.

 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She is a little young and short on experience.

Irony:
Democrats say McCain is too old and has been in Washington too long and then nominate someone nearly as old who has been in Washington longer.
Republicans say Obama is too young and inexperienced and then nominate someone as young and inexperienced.

Does that mute those lines of attack?

I think this was a big mistake on McCain's part. McCain is relying much more heavily on the whole 'inexperience' attack on Obama then Obama is on the age thing for McCain. I think he has fallen for the media story about disgruntled Hillary voters, there are far fewer of them that would vote for a McCain ticket then he thinks.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
I like it, VP doesn't need all the experience in the world because they are not president. I think this will win back some of the hillary supporters by nothing other than her being a woman. Same thing happened with Hillary and Obama.

She seems to have good morals and a up and coming strong Republican. Reminds me of a true conservative rather than a mindless Republican or Democrat.

And that's the key. McCain doesn't need Hillary's supports, he needs the conservative vote. So far, they've been lukewarm to him.

A conservative one heartbeat from the Presidency with one year to her belt as governor.

As opposed to 4 years as a Senator who, well, didn't really do anything.
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Capitalizt
Mccain just clinched the nomination. Half of the women in this country will now vote Mccain regardless of what they think of him or his policies. The idea of a woman being a heartbeat away from the Presidency is extremely powerful.

I'd say Mccain just got 80% of Hillary's voters and 80% of moderate voters. That combined with the republican women = LANDSLIDE.

Brilliant political move but horrible for America. God help us.

That line of reasoning didn't work for Mondale.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: musicman64
Am I the only one that thinks this will piss off a decent number of conservatives too? I truly believe misogyny is alive and well in this day and age... anyone?

If she was a hillary clone yes, but she seems like a very good conservative. I dont think it will be an issue.
 

pstylesss

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Wow, she's younger than Obama and has only been governor for 1 year. How can he continue to claim that Obama isn't ready for office, when he's saying that Gov. Palin is?
I want to see the spin on this too.

Well.... lets see she has had plenty of state experience before becoming Gov. Then she spent two years as Gov. While it's not a ton of experience, and certainly isn't the one with the best resume to go it alone, it's not terrible for McCain's VP choice.

Her time before Gov. is equal to the time Obama spent as a state leg. But her two years of executive experience is much better and prepares her much more for VP than does twice that of Obama's experience actually in the senate.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Capitalizt
Mccain just clinched the nomination. Half of the women in this country will now vote Mccain regardless of what they think of him or his policies. The idea of a woman being a heartbeat away from the Presidency is extremely powerful.

I'd say Mccain just got 80% of Hillary's voters and 80% of moderate voters. That combined with the republican women = LANDSLIDE.

Brilliant political move but horrible for America. God help us.

That line of reasoning didn't work for Mondale.

Thankfully Obama is no Reagan.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Wow, she's younger than Obama and has only been governor for 1 year. How can he continue to claim that Obama isn't ready for office, when he's saying that Gov. Palin is?
I want to see the spin on this too.

One is running for President. One i running for VP. You dont know the difference? No wonder you are voting for Obama.

The point is there is no difference. The VP has to be ready to be President from day one.

So does the President. Obama got rocked with this choice. Obama picked a Washington insider of 30 years as his VP while running on a platform of "change". McCain on the other hand has the experience needed to be President, and chose someone as far as humanly possible from Washington as HIS VP.

But Obama is running for President. He's in the front seat. He was a state senator before becoming a US Senator. This lady was a mayor of a city of 5,400 before becoming governor. She was on the Oil and Gas conservation board. She has been governor for 1 year. If this pick doesn't reek of desperation I don't think you get it.