Sarah Palin: Extreme Enviros: Drill, Baby, Drill in ANWR – Now Do You Get It?

[glenn1]

Not our problem you are too lazy to ride a bike or choose to irresponsibly live somewhere with substandard public transit.

Banning personal autos in urban areas would be nice also, less pollution, less wasted space on parking/roads.

The answer to the oil problem is 10+$ a gallon gas for personal use. Market prices for commercial/industrial uses.

Watch real public transit spring up overnight.

Can shrink that big govt too, no need for oil wars and huge military.

I'd be all for banning cars in urban areas. It'll keep your type and those poor inner city folks in your place and out of the nice neighborhoods. The further away you are from the rest of us, the better.

 

[werepossum]

i'd be all for banning cars in urban areas. It'll keep your type and those poor inner city folks in your place and out of the nice neighborhoods. The further away you are from the rest of us, the better.

lol +1

 

[BoberFett]

Government regulation can be much more effective for several reasons. It always applies, should be unambiguous, and factors out greed in its application.

Hahahahahahahaha!

*breathes*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

Government regulation = no small business. Glass ceiling for all us underlings.

 

[werepossum]

On land or even in shallow water this disaster would have been shut down within days. I too suspect Obama of opening deep-water drilling only for political reasons, but you can't deny that a moratorium on deep water drilling is required while we figure out what must be done to allow us to quickly recover from disasters like this AND fix our broken regulatory and supervisory system. As for shallow water drilling, it's more than apparent that the federal government is not doing the job it has given itself, so I can support a moratorium on new shallow water offshore drilling as well. Although we have good technology for solving similar disasters in shallow water, we desperately need to fix our regulatory structure to provide the intended amount of protection against such disasters happening at all. I fear that the Dems will use this disaster to further federalize the industry and build yet another level of bloated bureaucracy surfing for porn on my dime, but we can't ignore the problems simply because we may make it worse.

There are many things that can be done at little cost to reduce energy consumption, including mandating more modern construction techniques such as 2x6 studs 24" on center with continuous glued gypboard and sheathing or geothermal ground source heat pumps. And in many areas windmills may make sense. But the main thing we can do is to pour research dollars into things like cheap solar panel construction and fuel from waste. I don't know how much available capacity is really there for the taking, but at the least most major universities should be working on these things. I just wish that Congress would change the patent rules, as right now the government can fund the development but the university then owns the patents.

I have to bump this thread and quote myself to admit that I was completely wrong about the moratorium and Darwin was completely right. Turns out that the report from the White House, which was reviewed and approved by the National Academy of Engineering, was doctored after the Academy signed off on it. In particular that the two paragraphs calling for the moratorium were added AFTER the report was reviewed for engineering accuracy. Not that that isn't bad enough, pretending that there is a valid reason for the moratorium, but the experts are saying that the moratorium on wells already partially drilled actually makes it more likely that we'll have another spill.

Though the report claimed the analysts, picked by the National Academy of Engineering, "peer reviewed" the department's recommendations, the experts say the two paragraphs that called for the moratorium were added only after they signed off on it.

To the contrary, the experts warn that such a moratorium could not only harm the economy but make the situation in the Gulf more dangerous. The April 20 oil rig explosion occurred while the Deepwater Horizon well was being shut down -- a move that is much more dangerous than continuing ongoing drilling, they said.

"A blanket moratorium is not the answer," they wrote in a letter claiming Interior Department Secretary Ken Salazar's report "misrepresents" their position. "A blanket moratorium will have the indirect effect of harming thousands of workers and further impact state and local economies suffering from the spill."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...m-skewed-expert-opinion-justify-drilling-ban/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...resented-views-justify-offshore-drilling-ban/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704575304575296782675625258.html

I got snookered. Darwin, you were right and I was wrong, it was not good engineering but merely expedient politics. I can't believe they would do something so blatantly dishonest and think they could get away with it - not that the mainstream media seems to consider this a story. If I ever again assume that the Obama administration is being honest, someone please slap me.

 

[Darwin333]

I have to bump this thread and quote myself to admit that I was completely wrong about the moratorium and Darwin was completely right. Turns out that the report from the White House, which was reviewed and approved by the National Academy of Engineering, was doctored after the Academy signed off on it. In particular that the two paragraphs calling for the moratorium were added AFTER the report was reviewed for engineering accuracy. Not that that isn't bad enough, pretending that there is a valid reason for the moratorium, but the experts are saying that the moratorium on wells already partially drilled actually makes it more likely that we'll have another spill.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...m-skewed-expert-opinion-justify-drilling-ban/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...resented-views-justify-offshore-drilling-ban/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704575304575296782675625258.html

I got snookered. Darwin, you were right and I was wrong, it was not good engineering but merely expedient politics. I can't believe they would do something so blatantly dishonest and think they could get away with it - not that the mainstream media seems to consider this a story. If I ever again assume that the Obama administration is being honest, someone please slap me.

I appreciate your post, it is rare to see such a post these days. To be honest, I initially gave Obama the benefit of the doubt that he was just overreacting to the situation but even without the information you posted it is obviously political at this point. At this point he knows full well what the ramifications are and jobs are already being lost due to the moratorium. Literally 10's of thousands more high paying jobs will soon be gone for a very long time as well and hundreds if not thousands of companies will be put out of business. Not to mention the national security aspect, the danger of leaving wells in various stages "temporarily" capped for many years to come and the flat out destruction of an industry that provides a HUGE part of this nations energy.

MUCH better plans have already been proposed. The "team of 66" plan would have 66 retired oilfield experts that worked solely for the US government to be placed on all 33 deepwater rigs in a 7 on 7 off rotation. They would have the authority (and the experience) to shut down drilling operations, levy fines, review and influence procedures BEFORE they are done. It is appearing more and more that the Horizon accident was caused more from human actions than equipment failure. If that turns out to be the case the team of 66 plan would very likely have prevented the accident from occurring and it can be put into place within a week.

Its not that I disagree with better regulations but they don't make a damn bit of good without proper and timely enforcement. Considering the relatively small number of deepwater rigs we currently have drilling and how quickly a bad decision by the company man can result in disaster, imo having someone whose ONLY interest is ensuring the drilling is done in the safest manor possible is the best possible solution. It is also not a terribly costly program to put into place but the oil companies should foot the bill all the same.

No one is listening though, as you have found out.

 

[Steeplerot]

I'd be all for banning cars in urban areas. It'll keep your type and those poor inner city folks in your place and out of the nice neighborhoods. The further away you are from the rest of us, the better.

Great idea.
I could think of lots of better places I could be then your moms basement.

 

[werepossum]

I appreciate your post, it is rare to see such a post these days. To be honest, I initially gave Obama the benefit of the doubt that he was just overreacting to the situation but even without the information you posted it is obviously political at this point. At this point he knows full well what the ramifications are and jobs are already being lost due to the moratorium. Literally 10's of thousands more high paying jobs will soon be gone for a very long time as well and hundreds if not thousands of companies will be put out of business. Not to mention the national security aspect, the danger of leaving wells in various stages "temporarily" capped for many years to come and the flat out destruction of an industry that provides a HUGE part of this nations energy.

MUCH better plans have already been proposed. The "team of 66" plan would have 66 retired oilfield experts that worked solely for the US government to be placed on all 33 deepwater rigs in a 7 on 7 off rotation. They would have the authority (and the experience) to shut down drilling operations, levy fines, review and influence procedures BEFORE they are done. It is appearing more and more that the Horizon accident was caused more from human actions than equipment failure. If that turns out to be the case the team of 66 plan would very likely have prevented the accident from occurring and it can be put into place within a week.

Its not that I disagree with better regulations but they don't make a damn bit of good without proper and timely enforcement. Considering the relatively small number of deepwater rigs we currently have drilling and how quickly a bad decision by the company man can result in disaster, imo having someone whose ONLY interest is ensuring the drilling is done in the safest manor possible is the best possible solution. It is also not a terribly costly program to put into place but the oil companies should foot the bill all the same.

No one is listening though, as you have found out.

Sounds like an excellent and commonsense plan; each of those qualities are sufficient to make sure it is never implemented.

 

[Darwin333]

Sounds like an excellent and commonsense plan; each of those qualities are sufficient to make sure it is never implemented.

Sad but true. It is becoming more apparent that increasing "safety" is not their true agenda.