Sarah Palin: Extreme Enviros: Drill, Baby, Drill in ANWR – Now Do You Get It?

[Siddhartha]

I was wondering how the proponents for offshore oil drilling were\are going to defend their support in the fact of the Gulf oil spill. I have read that some had said that it was an accident and accidents happen.
Ms Palin blames the environmentalists:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/03/sarah-palin-blames-enviro_n_598977.html

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/sarahpalin?ref=search&sid=hthg_VbuaMwZ0-bmi7JzOA.1781758158..1


Extreme Enviros: Drill, Baby, Drill in ANWR – Now Do You Get It?Share. Yesterday at 3:17pm
This is a message to extreme “environmentalists” who hypocritically protest domestic energy production offshore and onshore. There is nothing “clean and green” about your efforts. Look, here’s the deal: when you lock up our land, you outsource jobs and opportunity away from America and into foreign countries that are making us beholden to them. Some of these countries don’t like America. Some of these countries don’t care for planet earth like we do – as evidenced by our stricter environmental standards.

With your nonsensical efforts to lock up safer drilling areas, all you’re doing is outsourcing energy development, which makes us more controlled by foreign countries, less safe, and less prosperous on a dirtier planet. Your hypocrisy is showing. You’re not preventing environmental hazards; you’re outsourcing them and making drilling more dangerous.

Extreme deep water drilling is not the preferred choice to meet our country’s energy needs, but your protests and lawsuits and lies about onshore and shallow water drilling have locked up safer areas. It’s catching up with you. The tragic, unprecedented deep water Gulf oil spill proves it.

We need permission to drill in safer areas, including the uninhabited arctic land of ANWR. It takes just a tiny footprint – equivalent to the size of LA’s airport – to tap America’s rich and plentiful oil and gas up north. ANWR’s drilling footprint is like a postage stamp on a football field.


Has this one, blaming environmentalists, been getting air time on the conservative talk radio?

 

[Acanthus]

this happens a lot.

Look at the whole Nuclear Power fiasco.

In an effort to block dangerous nuclear power they have mistakenly supported the construction of hundreds of fossil fuel plants.

 

[theeedude]

Palin still doesn't get it, obviously.

 

[ayabe]

Ignoring Palin, this is a myth that has picked up steam in certain basement areas. That BP was forced by regulations to go so offshore and to that absurd depth by greeny wackos.

Of course the truth is...they want to drill where the oil is and it's obvious there's a lot of fucking oil 5000 feet underwater.

 

[werepossum]

I've heard it, and to some degree it makes sense. I suspect though that this particular well might have drilled anyway, as this is a huge deposit and, had the well head not exploded, would still have been extremely profitable. While drilling on land, even in ANWR, would have been easier, getting the oil to market would have been more difficult. I suspect BP would have drilled in both places if allowed, so at the most this well might have been delayed a few years.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

<--- Not a Palin fan whatsoever, but I agree with this.

It doesn't matter if it's deep or shallow, offshore drilling is more hazardous to the environment. If we drilled on land (ANWAR) do you honestly think an oil spill anywhere near this magnitude would occur? On land if a pipe broke or cracked, it would much easier and quicker to patch long, long before it leaks 19,000 gallons a day.

 

[ayabe]

I've heard it, and to some degree it makes sense. I suspect though that this particular well might have drilled anyway, as this is a huge deposit and, had the well head not exploded, would still have been extremely profitable. While drilling on land, even in ANWR, would have been easier, getting the oil to market would have been more difficult. I suspect BP would have drilled in both places if allowed, so at the most this well might have been delayed a few years.

Agree aside from it making sense, it's just a deflection to cover BP and it's not going to work.

As for Palin, she's just.....weak.

 

[child of wonder]

"Well, wife. Now you really did it. You wouldn't let me drink at home because I get violent and beat you. Now I had to go to the bar to drink, beat up 3 people, and now I'm in jail. I hope you're proud of yourself."

 

[Narmer]

Facebook? Really?

 

[rudder]

So the U.S. will no longer have offshore drilling in the Gulf. Meanwhile, Russia and China side drill from Cuban waters into all the Gulf oil reserves. This makes perfect sense.

 

[nageov3t]

if anyone has a magic wand that they can wave to elimate our society's dependence on oil, by all means, wave it. I have a hard time accepting that money is the biggest block in terms of developing alternative energy.

in the meantime, we should continue drilling and drilling safely. regulations definitely been to be looked at and strongly enforced.

how much different would this catastrophe have been if it occurred on land, in an unpopulated area, or even in shallow water?

 

[Infohawk]

Everyone is missing the main issue here: Palin always supported offshore drilling. Nobody's been forced offshore by greenies or anyone else. It's profitable to drill offshore.

Sarah Palin is essentially like one of the retarded right wing partisans on this board with public attention and masquerading as someone who should be listened to.

 

[ayabe]

So the U.S. will no longer have offshore drilling in the Gulf. Meanwhile, Russia and China side drill from Cuban waters into all the Gulf oil reserves. This makes perfect sense.

I'll buy you another milkshake if you stop crying.

 

[Throckmorton]

We may be safer than the third world, but we aren't that safe. Turns out that was a myth "oil spills generally don't happen".

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43978

Read the posts there by people who work in the oil industry and are appalled by the "safety last" American practices.

And also read this: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704026204575266560930780190.html

BP intentionally ignored regulations and best practices to save money.


I'd much rather buy oi from people who don't create environmental catastrophes.

 

[RedCOMET]

We may be safer than the third world, but we aren't that safe. Turns out that was a myth "oil spills generally don't happen".

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43978

Read the posts there by people who work in the oil industry and are appalled by the "safety last" American practices.

And also read this: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704026204575266560930780190.html

BP intentionally ignored regulations and best practices to save money.


I'd much rather buy oi from people who don't create environmental catastrophes.

I also have read someplace that TransOcean cut back on maintainance staff on the rig even though their workload did not decrease. I'll have to find the article but it was buried in some article.

 

[werepossum]

if anyone has a magic wand that they can wave to elimate our society's dependence on oil, by all means, wave it. I have a hard time accepting that money is the biggest block in terms of developing alternative energy.

in the meantime, we should continue drilling and drilling safely. regulations definitely been to be looked at and strongly enforced.

how much different would this catastrophe have been if it occurred on land, in an unpopulated area, or even in shallow water?

On land or even in shallow water this disaster would have been shut down within days. I too suspect Obama of opening deep-water drilling only for political reasons, but you can't deny that a moratorium on deep water drilling is required while we figure out what must be done to allow us to quickly recover from disasters like this AND fix our broken regulatory and supervisory system. As for shallow water drilling, it's more than apparent that the federal government is not doing the job it has given itself, so I can support a moratorium on new shallow water offshore drilling as well. Although we have good technology for solving similar disasters in shallow water, we desperately need to fix our regulatory structure to provide the intended amount of protection against such disasters happening at all. I fear that the Dems will use this disaster to further federalize the industry and build yet another level of bloated bureaucracy surfing for porn on my dime, but we can't ignore the problems simply because we may make it worse.

There are many things that can be done at little cost to reduce energy consumption, including mandating more modern construction techniques such as 2x6 studs 24" on center with continuous glued gypboard and sheathing or geothermal ground source heat pumps. And in many areas windmills may make sense. But the main thing we can do is to pour research dollars into things like cheap solar panel construction and fuel from waste. I don't know how much available capacity is really there for the taking, but at the least most major universities should be working on these things. I just wish that Congress would change the patent rules, as right now the government can fund the development but the university then owns the patents.

 

[Schadenfroh]

So the U.S. will no longer have offshore drilling in the Gulf. Meanwhile, Russia and China side drill from Cuban waters into all the Gulf oil reserves. This makes perfect sense.

This is the reason I want Russia to gain control of The Arctic's fossil fuel reserves. Russia, China, etc. have no issue with extracting oil, be it in The Gulf (offshore of Cuba) or in other places Americans are afraid to drill. I like reasonably priced energy, as without it, many would be out of a job and have to take serious cuts to their standard of living.

The spill in The Gulf is the "Three-Mile-Island" of off-shore oil production. However, unlike Three-Mile-Island, this actually is a disaster. So, the consequences will be much worse and the "green lobby" will use this to their advantage to sway public opinion, just as the anti-nuclear lobby destroyed hopes of clean, plentiful and cheap energy. As such, we are stuck with fossil fuel plants that release far more radiation into the atmosphere than properly constructed / managed Western nuclear reactors ever will, while other countries have embraced clean and efficient modern nuclear reactor designs.

We will now sit back and let other countries extract natural resources and gain a competitive edge over us. Russia, China, etc. will soon outpace Western countries in offshore drilling technology and exploration. We will become even more dependent on oil from hostile countries. The environment will be harmed by the actions of these countries and they will proceed with or without us, so why not have The West profit and have the added security of increased domestic oil production? It is not like Russian and Chinese environmental regulations are any stricter than ours.

That being said, Drill Baby Drill in ANWR and close to shore in The Gulf. FWIW, I am not a Palin fanboy.

 

[CycloWizard]

Whether you like it or not, we need oil right now. We will get it from the cheapest available source. Regulations increase costs.

These are simple facts which must be dealt with, at least in the short-term.

 

[CLite]

I do mechanical engineering consulting for the process and power industry so I will say a few things here.

As I've stated before it's a complete fallacy to say that regulation has created more deepwater drilling. We are seeing more deepwater drilling because the technology now exists and companies want to be the first to hit never before accessed deposits. I just hate when politicians who know better jump on retard wagons regurgitating obvious lies for political points, and this happens all too often for both republicans and democrats.


This incident is a direct result of BP being the worst major oil company in the world.
-They cut back on staffing and safety measures and created the Texas City explosion killing 15 people
-They cut back on pipeline inspections and created the first oil spill on the Alaska North Slope a few years ago.
-They accounted for 97% of all "egregious, willfull" violations of OSHA standards the last few years in the petrochemical business.

BP is a fucking disgrace and everyone in the petrochemical business is disgusted with them and how they are bringing the wrath of regulators upon us because of their gross negligence.

Mark my words BP will continue to KILL people unless they experience a rapid change in management or are kicked out of the U.S. for being the worst run company I've seen in modern times.

 

[her209]

LAWLZ

 

[rudder]

I'll buy you another milkshake if you stop crying.

You can subsidize my monthly gasoline budget... how about that? Sorry if you are too stupid to remember back when gas prices where near $4/gallon. As soon as it was announced that off shore drilling in the gulf would increase... oil prices dropped overnight. Coincidence?

 

[Pens1566]

Attention whore

 

[frostedflakes]

Backpedal, baby, backpedal!

 

[piasabird]

Well there are plenty of shallower areas off-shore where we could have been drilling for oil. If you strain your memory it was the democrats that were bragging a while back that it takes 10 years to bring oil to market, and that the area offshore in the gulf of Mexico had been available for years and no one had drilled there.

Well, Be careful what you wish for!

 

[irishScott]

Palin should go back to the eskimo porn film she came from. I would watch.