Sarah Conner Cronicles ... see the pilot (OFFICIAL THREAD)

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The writers unions should be thrown under a bus. They deserve nothing.

Anyways ... I've sen worse shows. It's no Lost or Heroes. I found it mostly entertaining. I'll be watching Monday to see what happens.

The bad:
1) The script sucks. Kill the writers.
2) The direction sucks ... the terminators should be less emotional.
3) Who the hell cast this? The bad terminator did alright ... I think his problem is horrible direction. The girl terminator though .... I think that was a bad choice, although I think the script is partially to blame.
4) I thought Hollywood hired scientists so people wouldn't say WTF anymore. A chair stopped bullets? PATHETIC! Heck, just strap some Pillows to John and he'll be fine.

They better explain that they are more advanced than the terminators in films 1,2 and 3 very soon. They better be somewhere in between terminator 2 and 3 for "technology". I think the girl might be liquid metal outside and endoskelaton inside just like in T3. Obviously, the bad terminator is a T-101 ... did I get that right?

Well, it looks like they have destroy Sky-Net this season. Should be interesting. There are some plot twists coming from what the preview hinted at.
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
The bio they showed at the beginning said she was 33 which does seem really young.

It seems like they're just rehashing stuff that's already happened in the movies.

It was 1999. Sarah was about 20 when she got preggers. Jon is what now, about 14? So that is age 34 for the mom. I'd say according to the terminator timeline, she should be 35 or so.

Ah, that's the problem. He looks like a 20 year old, but acts like a whiny little bitch.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
4) I thought Hollywood hired scientists so people wouldn't say WTF anymore. A chair stopped bullets? PATHETIC! Heck, just strap some Pillows to John and he'll be fine.

This is as old as when film was invented.

 
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Wow, surprised that so many people hated it. I'll be watching Monday with reduced expectations. Well, Invasion lasted 4 and 1/3 episodes for me. Lets see how this does.
 
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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
4) I thought Hollywood hired scientists so people wouldn't say WTF anymore. A chair stopped bullets? PATHETIC! Heck, just strap some Pillows to John and he'll be fine.

This is as old as when film was invented.

I know, but people are smarter these days and people are rejecting stupid plots and dumb sh!t like this. This show is aimed at geeks and todays Hollywood knows better. Which makes me wonder who the heck is responsible for the bullet proof pollyfill.
 

MovingTarget

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I liked it... Seems that although the dialogue is kinda stale, the direction as a whole has definite possibilities. Now, in my head I keep thinking to myself that I wouldn't mind if this turned into "River Tam beats up EVERYONE". (Yes, I'm an xkcd fan..)
 

SoulAssassin

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
The bio they showed at the beginning said she was 33 which does seem really young.

It seems like they're just rehashing stuff that's already happened in the movies.

It was 1999. Sarah was about 20 when she got preggers. Jon is what now, about 14? So that is age 34 for the mom. I'd say according to the terminator timeline, she should be 35 or so.

Yeah, didn't realize they were in '99 until the bank scene.
 

coinz

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
4) I thought Hollywood hired scientists so people wouldn't say WTF anymore. A chair stopped bullets? PATHETIC! Heck, just strap some Pillows to John and he'll be fine.

This is as old as when film was invented.

I know, but people are smarter these days and people are rejecting stupid plots and dumb sh!t like this. This show is aimed at geeks and todays Hollywood knows better. Which makes me wonder who the heck is responsible for the bullet proof pollyfill.

I thought one of the agents said something about kevlar in the chair, maybe she put it in..wasn't paying full attention
 

pyonir

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
4) I thought Hollywood hired scientists so people wouldn't say WTF anymore. A chair stopped bullets? PATHETIC! Heck, just strap some Pillows to John and he'll be fine.

This is as old as when film was invented.

I know, but people are smarter these days and people are rejecting stupid plots and dumb sh!t like this. This show is aimed at geeks and todays Hollywood knows better. Which makes me wonder who the heck is responsible for the bullet proof pollyfill.

A scene in Live Free or Die Hard has John Maclane hiding behind a recliner, that protects him from gunfire. It's still common in movies and tv shows from what i've seen.
 

Pepsei

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
The writers unions should be thrown under a bus. They deserve nothing.

Anyways ... I've sen worse shows. It's no Lost or Heroes. I found it mostly entertaining. I'll be watching Monday to see what happens.

The bad:
1) The script sucks. Kill the writers.
2) The direction sucks ... the terminators should be less emotional.
3) Who the hell cast this? The bad terminator did alright ... I think his problem is horrible direction. The girl terminator though .... I think that was a bad choice, although I think the script is partially to blame.
4) I thought Hollywood hired scientists so people wouldn't say WTF anymore. A chair stopped bullets? PATHETIC! Heck, just strap some Pillows to John and he'll be fine.

They better explain that they are more advanced than the terminators in films 1,2 and 3 very soon. They better be somewhere in between terminator 2 and 3 for "technology". I think the girl might be liquid metal outside and endoskelaton inside just like in T3. Obviously, the bad terminator is a T-101 ... did I get that right?

Well, it looks like they have destroy Sky-Net this season. Should be interesting. There are some plot twists coming from what the preview hinted at.

1. yeah it sucks
2. she's a new model that can display emotion
3. too bad the bad terminator is going to be someone else after the pilot..maybe better, maybe not.
4. ...the chair must be made of steel inside.

the bad terminator is model 888, while the girl has not been determined yet. the timeline doesn't really matter as they could be from any point in the future... i believe the girl did mention the year she traveld from.
 
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Originally posted by: coinz
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
4) I thought Hollywood hired scientists so people wouldn't say WTF anymore. A chair stopped bullets? PATHETIC! Heck, just strap some Pillows to John and he'll be fine.

This is as old as when film was invented.

I know, but people are smarter these days and people are rejecting stupid plots and dumb sh!t like this. This show is aimed at geeks and todays Hollywood knows better. Which makes me wonder who the heck is responsible for the bullet proof pollyfill.

I thought one of the agents said something about kevlar in the chair, maybe she put it in..wasn't paying full attention

Well, I'm grabbing the torrent tonight so I can verify tomorrow.
 

Excelsior

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Well I totally didn't hate it like a lot of folks seem to.

There isn't much on right now and I found it entertaining.

Also, the lot of you (except for a few) need to realize the difference between horrible acting and horrible writing.
 
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Originally posted by: Pepsei
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
The writers unions should be thrown under a bus. They deserve nothing.

Anyways ... I've sen worse shows. It's no Lost or Heroes. I found it mostly entertaining. I'll be watching Monday to see what happens.

The bad:
1) The script sucks. Kill the writers.
2) The direction sucks ... the terminators should be less emotional.
3) Who the hell cast this? The bad terminator did alright ... I think his problem is horrible direction. The girl terminator though .... I think that was a bad choice, although I think the script is partially to blame.
4) I thought Hollywood hired scientists so people wouldn't say WTF anymore. A chair stopped bullets? PATHETIC! Heck, just strap some Pillows to John and he'll be fine.

They better explain that they are more advanced than the terminators in films 1,2 and 3 very soon. They better be somewhere in between terminator 2 and 3 for "technology". I think the girl might be liquid metal outside and endoskelaton inside just like in T3. Obviously, the bad terminator is a T-101 ... did I get that right?

Well, it looks like they have destroy Sky-Net this season. Should be interesting. There are some plot twists coming from what the preview hinted at.

1. yeah it sucks
2. she's a new model that can display emotion
3. too bad the bad terminator is going to be someone else after the pilot..maybe better, maybe not.
4. ...the chair must be made of steel inside.

the bad terminator is model 888, while the girl has not been determined yet. the timeline doesn't really matter as they could be from any point in the future... i believe the girl did mention the year she traveled from.

1) plot is good, the script though, yuck.
2) any "new models" in anything terminator should have liquid metal somewhere.
3) I don't know. That just might be an "aged and balding" version. Oh, anyone else get the feeling that the bank is going to enter the tech business?
4) probably.

Model 888? I never even heard of that one. How do you know this?
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: coinz
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
4) I thought Hollywood hired scientists so people wouldn't say WTF anymore. A chair stopped bullets? PATHETIC! Heck, just strap some Pillows to John and he'll be fine.

This is as old as when film was invented.

I know, but people are smarter these days and people are rejecting stupid plots and dumb sh!t like this. This show is aimed at geeks and todays Hollywood knows better. Which makes me wonder who the heck is responsible for the bullet proof pollyfill.

I thought one of the agents said something about kevlar in the chair, maybe she put it in..wasn't paying full attention

Well, I'm grabbing the torrent tonight so I can verify tomorrow.

Yep, the cop definitely said something about Kevlar in the chair. I caught during the show. I'm glad that was in there because otherwise that scene was ridiculous.
 
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Originally posted by: Excelsior
Well I totally didn't hate it like a lot of folks seem to.

There isn't much on right now and I found it entertaining.

Also, the lot of you (except for a few) need to realize the difference between horrible acting and horrible writing.

I think the direction was a bit off. Time will tell if it was a direction issue.
 
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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: coinz
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
4) I thought Hollywood hired scientists so people wouldn't say WTF anymore. A chair stopped bullets? PATHETIC! Heck, just strap some Pillows to John and he'll be fine.

This is as old as when film was invented.

I know, but people are smarter these days and people are rejecting stupid plots and dumb sh!t like this. This show is aimed at geeks and todays Hollywood knows better. Which makes me wonder who the heck is responsible for the bullet proof pollyfill.

I thought one of the agents said something about kevlar in the chair, maybe she put it in..wasn't paying full attention

Well, I'm grabbing the torrent tonight so I can verify tomorrow.

Yep, the cop definitely said something about Kevlar in the chair. I caught during the show. I'm glad that was in there because otherwise that scene was ridiculous.

Thank goodness.
 

rh71

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I'm watching it for the storyline and where they're going to take it.
 
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Hijacked from here:
http://www.hopeofthefuture.net..._makemodelmission.html

It seems there's a lot of confusion about the Terminator's model and make. Especially after Terminator 3 has been released, in which they used the term T-101 to refer to the Terminator's model.
The most detailed information about the Terminator's model is given in the director's cut of Terminator 2. There's a small scene in which Sarah and John have to switch the Terminator's CPU from "read-only mode" to "read/write mode." As they put the CPU back in the Terminator's head, we get to see its bootup display, and the make and modelnumber is revealed at the top left: CSM-101 T-800 Version 2.4. We can split this information into 3 parts: CSM-101 (Model) & T-800 (Make) & Version 2.4 (Version).


Model
CSM-101 stands for Cyberdyne Systems Model 101, as Kyle Reese explained in the first movie. This part basically means the appearance of the mould around the metal Endoskeleton (the skin), and in this case, 101 refers to mouldnumber 101, the Arnold Schwarzenegger appearance and looks. Model-101 looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger, while Model-100 and Model-102 would look like someone else, etc.
In Terminator 3, the Terminator says "That was a different T-101." This confuses a lot of people, but it's easy to explain. The Terminator refers to it as Terminator Model-101, only meaning a Terminator with mould 101 (Schwarzenegger). This is not the make(/chassis) of the Terminator, which are explained later. It's just a sort of abbreviation, instead of having to say "That was a different Cyberdyne Systems Model-101."
Additional information:
- According to a deleted scene of Terminator, Model-101 (Schwarzenegger) is based upon Chief Master Sergeant William Candy, a human that lived before Judgment Day.
- This info comes from the Expanded Universe, and therefor is not be seen as canon info. In The novel T2: Infiltrator by S.M. Stirling, Model-101 (Schwarzenegger) is based upon a human called Dieter von Rossbach, a highly trained ex-military guy. As a female Terminator sees him, she thinks of him as Model-101A, in which the A stands for the exact appearance, like the haircut (which is a plausible way to explain the different looks of the Model-101 appearances in the various Terminator movies).
- I'll use this opportunity immediately to clarify another thing: infiltrator. A Terminator is an infiltration unit, but what makes a Terminator really an infiltration unit? Only if it wears the mould, the skin, so it appears to be human. Without the skin, the Terminator is not an infiltration unit. And since the Terminator is an infiltration unit, the term "Terminator" can only be applied to units with skin, and not on the naked Endoskeletons. But in every language, many people call these units also Terminators.


Make
T-800 stands for Terminator 800 Series Systems. This is the chassis hidden underneath the skin, basically the make of the hi-tech Endoskeleton Series. The T-800 Endoskeleton Series Systems is just one of the many chassis production lines (see additional information for other examples).
Additional information:
- Terminator 600 Series Systems were made to 'wear' rubber/latex skin, Terminator 700 Series Systems were made to 'wear' cloned skin, and the Terminator 800 Series Systems were made to 'wear' human skin.
- In Terminator 3, Arnold Schwarzenegger doesn't play a T-800, but a T-850. This is not stated in the movie, but it is confirmed in the official novelization and on the official movie site (htp://www.terminator3.com).
The official movie site has a flash intro in which the term 'T-850' is shown. This caused quite some confusion in the beginning of the T3 movie hype.
The novelization has a scene in which the Terminator explains it a bit more. Here's the scene as it happens in the movie, followed by the exact same scene as it happens in the official movie novelization:

Movie:
"Do you even remember me?" Connor asked.
Terminator glanced at him, but made no reply.
"Sarah Connor? Blowing up Cyberdyne? 'Hasta la vista, baby.' Ring any bells?"
"That was a different T-101," Terminator said.
Connor looked at Terminator. "You guys come off an assembly line, or something?
"Exactly," Terminator said.
"Oh, man. I gotta teach you everything all over again."

Novelization (by David Hagberg):
"Do you remember me?" Connor asked.
Terminator glanced at him, but made no reply.
"Sarah Connor? Blowing up Cyberdyne? 'Hasta la vista, baby.' Ring any bells?"
"That was an old model T-800," Terminator said, which was technically true. That had been a different chassis.
Connor looked away momentarily, and shook his head. It seemed as if he felt the weight of the world on his shoulders. "So what--?" he asked. He looked at Terminator. "You guys come off an assembly line, or something?
"Or something. I'm a new model. A T-850."
Connor was less disappointed than he was bemused. "Oh, man. I gotta teach you everything all over again."

The only thing that his part of the novelization clarifies is that this Terminator is an upgraded version of the old T-800 Series Systems, with at least an improved chassis. What the other improvements are is hard to tell. I myself believe there must be some other differences, like the power supply. The Terminators in T1 and T2 both have just 1 nuclear-energy cell, while the Terminator in T3 is powered by 2 hydrogen fuell cells that will explode like small nuclear explosions when they have become unstable by rupture. A small fact I want to add is that according to the novelization of T1 and T2 (both written by Randall Frakes), there was also a difference between the duration of the power cells of the T1 Terminator and the T2 Terminator.
The T1 novel says: "Terminator could keep operating at full power for twenty-four hours a day for 1,095 days."
The T2 novel (and movie) says: "A hundred and twenty years on my existing power-cell, under normal conditions."
One could worry about which is the most canon; the movie or the novel. In this case we take the movie for granted as the most canon, and it's best to ignore the fact of the T1 novel because both units should been complete identical. They came from the exact same rack out of the exact same cold storage room. It's just an interesting small fact to point at.


Version
Version 2.4 stands for Version 2.4.
This one is the hardest to explain, since no canon information has been released for it. Most people (including myself) see this as the versionnumber of the Central Processing Unit (CPU, the Terminator's brain). The updates that have improved the CPU. This could explain why all the different Terminators in the movies had all different TermoVisions. Here's an example of how the numbering works:
Version 0.1 is a prototype unit. Numbers below 1 mean alpha or beta versions, i.e. versions for testing purposes or internal use, or versions that aren't stable enough for general or practical deployment, like prototypes. The exact difference between alpha and beta is that programs that are in a very early stage of development are often called "alpha" software, after the first letter in the Greek alphabet. After they mature but are not yet ready for release, they may be called "beta" software, after the second letter in the Greek alphabet. The T-1000 from T2 would probably have a versionnumber that is less than 1, since it was an "advanced prototype."
Version 0.2 is the prototype unit with a small update/fix.
Version 1.0 is the first version of the unit that is released (since it's no longer version 0.x, it's not refered as prototype anymore).
Version 1.1 is the released 1.0 unit with a small update/fix..
Version 2.0 is the unit with a big update.
Version 2.1 is the 2.0 unit with a small update.
Version 2.2 is the 2.1 unit with a small update.

So for small updates, they'll change the decimal number after the dot, while with big updates, they change the number before the dot into a new following number and set the decimal number after the dot back at 0.

Some people have to much time on their hands.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: coinz
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
4) I thought Hollywood hired scientists so people wouldn't say WTF anymore. A chair stopped bullets? PATHETIC! Heck, just strap some Pillows to John and he'll be fine.

This is as old as when film was invented.

I know, but people are smarter these days and people are rejecting stupid plots and dumb sh!t like this. This show is aimed at geeks and todays Hollywood knows better. Which makes me wonder who the heck is responsible for the bullet proof pollyfill.

I thought one of the agents said something about kevlar in the chair, maybe she put it in..wasn't paying full attention

Well, I'm grabbing the torrent tonight so I can verify tomorrow.

Yep, the cop definitely said something about Kevlar in the chair. I caught during the show. I'm glad that was in there because otherwise that scene was ridiculous.

I'm sure most furniture comes with that option, either that or maybe she put kevlar on everything just in case this happened...
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Well I totally didn't hate it like a lot of folks seem to.

There isn't much on right now and I found it entertaining.

Also, the lot of you (except for a few) need to realize the difference between horrible acting and horrible writing.

I think the direction was a bit off. Time will tell if it was a direction issue.

Could be. I still don't have much hope the show will last beyond the episodes that have already been filmed.
 
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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: coinz
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
4) I thought Hollywood hired scientists so people wouldn't say WTF anymore. A chair stopped bullets? PATHETIC! Heck, just strap some Pillows to John and he'll be fine.

This is as old as when film was invented.

I know, but people are smarter these days and people are rejecting stupid plots and dumb sh!t like this. This show is aimed at geeks and todays Hollywood knows better. Which makes me wonder who the heck is responsible for the bullet proof pollyfill.

I thought one of the agents said something about kevlar in the chair, maybe she put it in..wasn't paying full attention

Well, I'm grabbing the torrent tonight so I can verify tomorrow.

Yep, the cop definitely said something about Kevlar in the chair. I caught during the show. I'm glad that was in there because otherwise that scene was ridiculous.

I'm sure most furniture comes with that option, either that or maybe she put kevlar on everything just in case this happened...

Also, remember that she got the shotgun by smashing into the drywall near that chair. She planned a defense assuming an attack via front door. Kevlar in the chair and shotgun hidden about 8 feet away. It actualyl makes more sense now.