Sandy Bridge may be Un-Overclockable

[cbn]

What anti overclocking is it that Intel is against.

Intel hasn't said SB isn't O/C able . If they have could I get that link . DR. Who spoke on the subject. YA I read what agra. Had to say in this thread . I also read what he said to NEU, In the XS thread. Look if you guys don't want or like Intels 1155 SB don't buy it. Go buy AMD. Do yourself a favor . SB : NOT over clockable because intel doesn't want it to . OR Because intel screwed up : This is better than Comedy TV.

Maybe Intel is using Sandy Bridge as the first step in consolidating mainstream desktop and Laptop?

As it stands now they will have at least five tiers of consumer products (excluding 2P workstations) in 2011.

1. Mobile handset atom (Moorestown and friends)

2. Netbook/Net-top atoms

3. Notebooks

4. Mainstream Desktop

5. Enthusiast Desktop (LGA 1366, LGA 2011 etc)

With atom going 32nm dual core next year (and fully capable of 1080p playback) maybe Intel feels they will eventually need to merge notebook and desktop? With greater Turbo modes on the CPUs does Intel think notebook boards (in SFF chassis) could fulfill desktop needs for most people?

 

[Idontcare]

But An Overclocked C2Q even would kill a stock SB any day of the week with its eyes closed.

Awesome news for AMD.

Unless I misunderstood the roadmaps, Llano is positioned to compete head-to-head with S1155 SB.

If Intel didn't do anything spectacular to Sandy Bridge's microarchitecture over that of Nehalem's microarchitecture then the door is open for AMD's 3rd gen Stars core products.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Especially if they're overclocked. Stars on a 32nm process? Hmm! Could be interesting. Too bad they'll probably be delayed by 6 months or so. Blah.

 

[ydnas7]

intel has been using mobile or server derived components to serve the PC market ever since they abandoned netburst and went with Banias near at the turn of the century.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/business/intel-haifa-develops-processor-of-the-future-1.68422
note the article also refers to intel's old merged cpu/gpu chip 'Timna' there is more depth to Sandybridge than people assume

Sandybridge 1155 will redefine overclocking both bad and good. bad because we won't be able to get a low binned chip and overclock the buggery out of it for great performance per $. Good because any chip whose prerelease ES can seriously perform at 1.07 volts (see Coolalers sample) will have throughly compelling headroom.
Intel will sell certain chipsets to ENCOURAGE overclocking the memory.....

I guess either the 'partial' unlocked (new name for locked!) will have sufficient permitted overclock available to cruel any chance AMD has of pulling too many customers over. But that the lower bin chips will have less overclock permitted than the higher binned chips,

what will the Kellogs series perform like.
(according to chip die), if Intel makes the same profit on 2 dual cores as per 1 quad core, we may get 'K' dual cores at todays i5 prices with easy overclock to 5.7Ghz.

Sandybridge 4Core is 1.12 million transistors. run that at full speed and you have westmere power consumption. thats not realistic, intel is forced to do funny buggers to clockspeed for the same reason as netburst was limited as the same reason why AMD has its own turbo-boost - we have hit a thermal limit on our chips. overclockering is partially an art of brute force to overcome the thermal limits on chips.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Maybe Intel is using Sandy Bridge as the first step in consolidating mainstream desktop and Laptop?

As it stands now they will have at least five tiers of consumer products (excluding 2P workstations) in 2011.

1. Mobile handset atom (Moorestown and friends)

2. Netbook/Net-top atoms

3. Notebooks

4. Mainstream Desktop

5. Enthusiast Desktop (LGA 1366, LGA 2011 etc)

With atom going 32nm dual core next year (and fully capable of 1080p playback) maybe Intel feels they will eventually need to merge notebook and desktop? With greater Turbo modes on the CPUs does Intel think notebook boards (in SFF chassis) could fulfill desktop needs for most people?

I can't disagree with what your 5 points are. As I said in late 08 here . Intel was going to produce products for everyones needs. CPUs that don't O/C make perfect sense as they will be for OEMs. and cheap PCs. Than you have semi unlocked good enough to cover the cheap enthusiast class . Than You have fully unlocked For the Cheap enthusiast that wants more control. Thats in the the socket 1155 . Than ya move on to the high end were the 2011 socket is living . Nothing but performance and dollars in these setups.

My personnal opion is this is a great move by intel and I for one applaud them . If I spring for a 2011 socket system I have to pay more . Its only fair to ME as a customer O/Cers can't buy a cheaper system and get = results I love it . But this topic is way over the hill . People ranting and raving without knowing the facts. If you look at the known facts. I would like to see a link that really adderess all the comments in this topic. A link from intel would be exceptable. A link to a meaningless diagram really doesn't say much.

 

[cbn]

My personnal opion is this is a great move by intel and I for one applaud them . If I spring for a 2011 socket system I have to pay more . Its only fair to ME as a customer O/Cers can't buy a cheaper system and get = results I love it .

Fair enough.

 

[ydnas7]

i7-875k is not extreme priced
i5-655k is cheaper than some i5-6xx clarkdales
pentium 6500k was $84

if i5 becomes 4C 4T minimum then there is room for Intel to make the 2 Core 4 Thread Sandybridge special 'K' an i3 product (and not the most expensive either). how would it perform (normal clock)
lightly threaded normal clock it would out run a 1090T
in highly threaded applications it would match a Athlon x4

but overclocked it may get to 4Ghz without breaking a sweat and probably go to 5Ghz with a decent cooler (it will have better headroom for overclocking than 32nm Westmere which itself has better headroom than 45nm Lynnfield which had better headroom than 45nm phenomII).
overclocked sandybridge i3 K
lighty threaded significantly outrun any overclocked 45nm based product from AMD
heavily threaded - match a Phenom x4 overclocked.

oouch

 

[Idontcare]

My personnal opion is this is a great move by intel and I for one applaud them . If I spring for a 2011 socket system I have to pay more . Its only fair to ME as a customer O/Cers can't buy a cheaper system and get = results I love it .

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you aimed to communicate here but to me this just comes across as just petty.

Why would you care, what difference is it to you, if someone else gets the same performance as you without spending as much as you?

Do you feel the same way about people who get their gas cheaper than you? Their oranges or bread? Their house? Their car? Their cellphone?

I hold no ill feelings toward OC'ers. They are putting in elbow grease, time and effort to match a cheaper CPU with a better HSF and superior mobo and PSU combined with taking the risk that they could fry anything and everything or lose all their data to silent corruption if something isn't truly stable.

There is no free lunch, even with unlocked multipliers. I don't begrudge folks their hobby ambitions any more than I'd have them begrudge me mine.

 

[Sylvanas]

There were rumours before release that Nehalem would not be overclockable, look how that turned out. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Timmah!]

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you aimed to communicate here but to me this just comes across as just petty.

Why would you care, what difference is it to you, if someone else gets the same performance as you without spending as much as you?

I understood his post same way...lol
Paying more for hardware, only to have a feeling i have something not everyone can afford? Well, people have different priorities... i would rather save my money, even if that means lot of people have the same stuff as i do....

 

[extra]

(according to chip die), if Intel makes the same profit on 2 dual cores as per 1 quad core, we may get 'K' dual cores at todays i5 prices with easy overclock to 5.7Ghz.

Time to get back to the sea of reality. No. Maybe an easy overclock to 5.7ghz will happen at some point, but if it does we probably won't see it until Haswell or later. Sandy Bridge isn't going to be breaking any clock speed records anytime soon, trust me on this one. . .Now, performance per watt for x86...

 

[Bman123]

This is too funny, I knew it would be a huge piss and moan fest in here. Intel doesn't care about the overclockers. Majority of pc owners buy store bought and don't have a clue what overclocking is. Looks like a nice ole win for AMD as long as they don't do this aswell.

If intel can tie everything together and make Overclocking not possible to save cost and make more money then why not do it, I know I would lol

 

[coffeejunkee]

My personnal opion is this is a great move by intel and I for one applaud them . If I spring for a 2011 socket system I have to pay more . Its only fair to ME as a customer O/Cers can't buy a cheaper system and get = results I love it .

Waaaaah, its not fair they're running their cpu's faster than they're supposed too. :'''''(

What would be fair is if Intel didn't charge grossly inflated prices that are completely out of line when looking at price/performance for their higher end cpu's. Till then it's only fair that people like you pay too much and people like me pay less for more performance.

And offcourse there's pissing and moaning. Overclocking is fun, but not when all you can do is change a multiplier.

 

[bryanW1995]

let's face it, as long as amd is not competitive then intel can pretty much do what they want at the high end. no overclocking? no problemo. artificially limit clocks to increase yields? easy. show up 6 months late? even easier when the competition is 12+ months late every time.

If BD is late/slow then intel will probably get away with limiting overclocking. if BD is on time/fast then we will magically hear how the mobo companies have hacked SB and everybody can overclock now.