Sandy Bridge is the current craze, what is next?

[Nemesis 1]

Much depends on what ya do . Will the Z m/b with SSD cache help the raptors more than SSDs or not any improvement till I get it done I don't know . But man I am so happy I sold the prerelease stuff I had . It was all ready in the deal that I would replace the M/B and exhange video cards when their released. So this thing worked out great for me . Robert says it was very smart business move.

 

[StinkyPinky]

So when are we going to get some performance previews of Bulldozer?? Anand had a "preview" (with lots of benchmarks) of Sandy Bridge months before its release.

 

[Makaveli]

It may put up numbers faster or equal to an SSD for say file transfers.

But 1 SSD will always feel faster than any Raid 0 array if the OS is on it.

 

[Nemesis 1]

BD is a secret , But lets hope its within 5% performance of SB either way . preferrably 5% faster+ Than we can see that price war I been hearing about. The cheaper we can buy our Intel cpus the better profit for business. Certainly we not going to lower pricies for buyers of custom gaming Pcs.

 

[Jovec]

It may put up numbers faster or equal to an SSD for say file transfers.

But 1 SSD will always feel faster than any Raid 0 array if the OS is on it.

You likely need 3-4 drives short-stroked down 70-80% capacity to rival 2nd gen SSDs, and at that point your basically paying the same per GB anyway for less random performance. And no chance of RAID issues on a single SSD.

For those for whom ~120GB is still plenty of space, a single SSD with a mechanical for backups is the best bet. For those who constantly need more space, SSDs will never be cost effective and something like an automatic SSD cache via the mobo, device like the Silverstone HDDboost, or simply via the OS seems like the natural evolution. Less hassle than the current OS/Apps drive and Data drive split currently employed.

 

[Nemesis 1]

It may put up numbers faster or equal to an SSD for say file transfers.

But 1 SSD will always feel faster than any Raid 0 array if the OS is on it.

I am not seeing that . After the SSd is 6 months old its actually slower and thats not good. This fine feelly thing people talk about is mostly BS. It feels smoother but the results are the same . give it a rest.

 

[nyker96]

the next big thing could be the NV+ARM creation. The new super computer on a chip ;]

 

[Nemesis 1]

You likely need 3-4 drives short-stroked down 70-80% capacity to rival 2nd gen SSDs, and at that point your basically paying the same per GB anyway for less random performance. And no chance of RAID issues on a single SSD.

For those for whom ~120GB is still plenty of space, a single SSD with a mechanical for backups is the best bet. For those who constantly need more space, SSDs will never be cost effective and something like an automatic SSD cache via the mobo, device like the Silverstone HDDboost, or simply via the OS seems like the natural evolution. Less hassle than the current OS/Apps drive and Data drive split currently employed.

I have never ran anything other than raid 0 for gamers. partians the OS and go. Since We go online browsing with what I referr to as internet machines.The gamer goes online but gaming only don't need the hackers hacking . So basicly the internet machine is the only one I consistantly benchmark for reasons of epenis I want 4 drives running raid O. Going after the top score once again @ stock and a given O/C . I bet I do it to just like the P4c.

 

[Lonbjerg]

How many drives in raid 0 did you use . With 4 raptors and raid 0 its actually faster than SSDs. Use a bit more power but This Pc were discussing will likely be highly o/ced IGP. 1.7ghz+ Thats why I want Z if I ruin IGP than I can go to AMD/ATI card . Might even buy NV so I can back talk on NV drivers like others here say they do with ATI/AMD.

I used 2 x Barracuda's...4 drives in RAID 0 is just asking for it...HDD's die at some point...stupid mechanical drives.

Glad I got rid of them for my OS drive.

Now I just awaits Intel's 25nm 600 GB SSD's...then the rest of my HDD's can die in a fire

 

[grimpr]

BD is a secret , But lets hope its within 5% performance of SB either way . preferrably 5% faster+ Than we can see that price war I been hearing about. The cheaper we can buy our Intel cpus the better profit for business. Certainly we not going to lower pricies for buyers of custom gaming Pcs.

What about 15% faster? If thats the case i want my 2600k for 140$.

 

[RavenSEAL]

Looking like i'm gonna have a bulldozer in my house. Good ol' Mr. Wolf is quite old now.

 

[Castiel]

Im not sure why everyone is so excited about 2011. Its jusy going to be an overpriced version of 1155. Im excited for BD and IB. Hello 5ghz plus daily clocks. I see the end of big extravagant 80 dollar coolers needed for high overclocks

 

[Lonbjerg]

Im not sure why everyone is so excited about 2011. Its jusy going to be an overpriced version of 1155. Im excited for BD and IB. Hello 5ghz plus daily clocks. I see the end of big extravagant 80 dollar coolers needed for high overclocks

1156 <-> 1366
1155 <-> 2011

Do you call socket 1366 an "overpriced" 1156?

If so, you might want to read up some more.

Socket 2011 is the true upgrade path for those of us on socket 1366.

 

[mnewsham]

Im not sure why everyone is so excited about 2011. Its jusy going to be an overpriced version of 1155. Im excited for BD and IB. Hello 5ghz plus daily clocks. I see the end of big extravagant 80 dollar coolers needed for high overclocks

An overpriced SB with 40 PCIE lanes and quad channel RAM, and up to 24Mb L3 cache (maybe more cant remember)

 

[Nemesis 1]

the next big thing could be the NV+ARM creation. The new super computer on a chip ;]

Wouldn't that be great! I can't wait till intel getts the monoply thing removed so they can spread their wings.

 

[Nemesis 1]

An overpriced SB with 40 PCIE lanes and quad channel RAM, and up to 24Mb L3 cache (maybe more cant remember)

Ya left out the 8core 16 thread part. So its 2x faster than present SB. If thats the metric thats being used today . Which it is.

 

[mnewsham]

Ya left out the 8core 16 thread part. So its 2x faster than present SB. If thats the metric thats being used today . Which it is.

Yes but isnt that coming to 1155 with IB? hopefully

 

[Lonbjerg]

Yes but isnt that coming to 1155 with IB? hopefully

Quad vs dual channel RAM would like to have a word with you.

And no, socket 1155 will never be quad channel.

 

[mnewsham]

Quad vs dual channel RAM would like to have a word with you.

And no, socket 1155 will never be quad channel.

.... what? i meant 8 cores 16 thread.

 

[Maximilian]

Thanks

Will Haswell be a big architectural change or is that too early to speculate on?

Yup its supposed to be. Dont know how it will actually pan out though as sandy bridge was meant to be a new architecture but its performance isnt radically different from nehalem that came before it. Shrink a quadcore nehalem to 32nm and clock it at 3.6ghz and it will likely perform similarly to sandy bridge.

Just gotta wait and see :thumbsup:

 

[Nemesis 1]

What about 15&#37; faster? If thats the case i want my 2600k for 140$.

Won't happen go back look at P4 pricies I beleave intel will do 1 chips cheap but thats it . Intel won't lower pricies they didn't befor they won't now.

 

[Nemesis 1]

You likely need 3-4 drives short-stroked down 70-80&#37; capacity to rival 2nd gen SSDs, and at that point your basically paying the same per GB anyway for less random performance. And no chance of RAID issues on a single SSD.

For those for whom ~120GB is still plenty of space, a single SSD with a mechanical for backups is the best bet. For those who constantly need more space, SSDs will never be cost effective and something like an automatic SSD cache via the mobo, device like the Silverstone HDDboost, or simply via the OS seems like the natural evolution. Less hassle than the current OS/Apps drive and Data drive split currently employed.

Been on raid O for 8 years not one drive fail on raptors . I did lose a seagate drive once tho , My fault. and haven't replaced any customer drives . M/b and NV graphics cards replaced tho. But overall real pleased

 

[Castiel]

1156 <-> 1366
1155 <-> 2011

Do you call socket 1366 an "overpriced" 1156?

If so, you might want to read up some more.

Socket 2011 is the true upgrade path for those of us on socket 1366.

1156 is nothing like 1155 so no i wouldn't call 1366 overpriced but SB is a whole new game and 2011 is a huge waste for 99% of us.

An overpriced SB with 40 PCIE lanes and quad channel RAM, and up to 24Mb L3 cache (maybe more cant remember)

So people are going to pay hundreds more just for 1 more fps in games? Wow.. Talk about smart.

When you compare Westmere with 12mb of L3 vs Bloomfield with 8mb of L3 there were really no meaningful gains and i see the same happening with SB vs SB-E.

Unless you need 6 core 8 cores and quad channel memory it's going to be a huge waste of money especially when mobo's are rumored to start at 300 dollars and quad processors at 400.

 

[mnewsham]

So people are going to pay hundreds more just for 1 more fps in games? Wow.. Talk about smart.

When you compare Westmere with 12mb of L3 vs Bloomfield with 8mb of L3 there were really no meaningful gains and i see the same happening with SB vs SB-E.

Unless you need 6 core 8 cores and quad channel memory it's going to be a huge waste of money especially when mobo's are rumored to start at 300 dollars and quad processors at 400.

Its the same thing with 1156 vs. 1366 an i5-760 will be fine for gaming even compared to the 980x for most games. triple channel RAM doesnt do much and most people dont use all the PCI Lanes on 1366. I fail to see how this is different from 1155 vs. 2011 and 1156 vs. 1366

 

[Castiel]

Its the same thing with 1156 vs. 1366 an i5-760 will be fine for gaming even compared to the 980x for most games. triple channel RAM doesnt do much and most people dont use all the PCI Lanes on 1366. I fail to see how this is different from 1155 vs. 2011 and 1156 vs. 1366

Point i was trying to make is why does a person really need 2011 for a desktop computer?

Video Editing? Perhaps

IMO if going 2011 there is no way i would even consider buying a quad for it. It's 6 or 8 core or nothing because the gains over a 1155 quad system aren't going to be beneficial.