Sandy Bridge E starts at $294 (FUD)

[zlejedi]

I like that article. A little confusing without actually having a system in front of me, but Im sure it will be easy once we have our hands on it.

I think they made it sound a lot more complicated than it is needed for process which is essentialy:

change bus speed to 125 or 166 Mhz - find what multiplier gives you sensible clock speed.

For example:

set multiplier to 1,25 you have effective bus speed of 125 then set multi to 30 = you have 3750 Mhz cpu, increase multi to x31 you have 3875, x32 - 4000, etc...

 

[Edrick]

I think they made it sound a lot more complicated than it is needed for process which is essentialy:

change bus speed to 125 or 166 Mhz - find what multiplier gives you sensible clock speed.

For example:

set multiplier to 1,25 you have effective bus speed of 125 then set multi to 30 = you have 3750 Mhz cpu, increase multi to x31 you have 3875, x32 - 4000, etc...

But you are not actually changing the bus speed to 125. The bus speed stays at 100 but the cpu bus ratio changes to 1.25x. Or something like that. Again, I am sure it will be easier to figure out once we see them in person.

But clearly it is a little more complex than x58 was.

 

[AdamK47]

Quote:
Sandy Bridge E is going to launch in Q4 2011 and we got some latest price and specs of these three new CPUs. Let’s start from the cheapest one.

Core i7 3820 is a quad-core version with eight tread support that works at 3.6GHz and supports turbo overclocking. It comes with 10MB of cache and LGA2011 socket. It will be the cheapest Sandy Bridge E and will sell for $294 but it comes locked and probably won’t be that great for overclocking.

The second in line is $583 priced Core i7 3930K, as K stands for overclocking, you can expect an unlocked processor. This K letter and two additional cores will cost you almost 100 percent more from i7 3920. This is a six core with twelve treads processor, clocked at 3.2GHz but with turbo it can go much higher. It has 12MB cache and supports X79 and LGA2011 socket. Price of an unlocked processor in Sandy Bridge E world is quite high.

The most expensive is Core i7 3960X and this one will sell for standard $999. This CPU and the rest of the platform comes as a replacement of long overdue Core i7 990X a six core, twelve treads 3.46GHz clocked LGA 1366 processor, that will end up slower than Core i7 3960X clocked at 3.3GHz.

Core i7 3960X extreme expensive edition and the other two LGA2011 processors will ship in Q4 2011, but we still don’t have better date than that. "



http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/24222-sandy-bridge-e-starts-at-$294

So the lowest priced Sandy-E will be at 8150 BD price?
Must be a good performer.

I have a feeling the 3820 will be fine to overclock... for those with the know-how.

 

[AdamK47]

The i7-3820 must be a litmus test for retards. In no way should a locked i7-3820 be faster than an unlocked and even mildly overclocked 2600k with stock cooling. I bet even the 2500k overclocked with a $30 cooler will wipe the floor with the i7-3820, maybe even in cinebench?

But you can bet intel will sell at least 20,000 i7-3820s.

Well aren't you just a cheery delight. Bursting with rays of sunshine and love for all.

If the base clock adjustments are true, there shouldn't be any significant problems overclocking it.

 

[Mopetar]

Even if the 3820 isn't better than a 2600K, it's still a cheap way to buy into the platform. Eventually you can replace the 3820 with something better.

 

[greenhawk]

So the only thing that is different between this artical and previous / recent articals is that the cheap SB-E is to be released with the 2 big brothers?

Last check from better sources mentioned the cheap one being delayed for a few reasons.

 

[pantsaregood]

And it may not even have the limitation that SB 1155 has (52x).

52x multiplier is higher than the vast majority of SB cores will run without serious voltage. SB is also limited to 57x multipliers, not 52x.

furthermore

lol memory bandwidth
lol cache

My 2500K is running DDR3 2133. It doesn't perform any better than it did with DDR3 1333. Extra memory bandwidth and cache give no significanct performance benefit when the platform is neither bandwidth nor cache starved.

You can call LGA 2011 a "feature rich" platform all you'd like. In the end, the quad-core implementation of SB-E will perform no better than the LGA 1155 counterparts. Intel's choice to limit LGA 1155 to quad-core CPUs is simply an attempt to continue to segregate the market as they have since the release of Nehalem. LGA 1155 is perfectly capable of running a six-core CPU.

 

[grkM3]

52x multiplier is higher than the vast majority of SB cores will run without serious voltage. SB is also limited to 57x multipliers, not 52x.

furthermore

lol memory bandwidth
lol cache

My 2500K is running DDR3 2133. It doesn't perform any better than it did with DDR3 1333. Extra memory bandwidth and cache give no significanct performance benefit when the platform is neither bandwidth nor cache starved.

You can call LGA 2011 a "feature rich" platform all you'd like. In the end, the quad-core implementation of SB-E will perform no better than the LGA 1155 counterparts. Intel's choice to limit LGA 1155 to quad-core CPUs is simply an attempt to continue to segregate the market as they have since the release of Nehalem. LGA 1155 is perfectly capable of running a six-core CPU.

I just tested this last week trying 5ghz with 2133 tight timings and 5ghz with 1600 loose timings using cinebench.

running at 2133 gave as much boost as 300 mhz overclock on the cpu would need,like I would have to run my loose timings run at 5300 mhz cpu to match the same score I got with 2133 7-7-7 timings

 

[VirtualLarry]

I just tested this last week trying 5ghz with 2133 tight timings and 5ghz with 1600 loose timings using cinebench.

running at 2133 gave as much boost as 300 mhz overclock on the cpu would need,like I would have to run my loose timings run at 5300 mhz cpu to match the same score I got with 2133 7-7-7 timings

What RAM do you have that does 2133 at 7-7-7, and what voltage are you running it at?

 

[Rifter]

The i7-3820 must be a litmus test for retards. In no way should a locked i7-3820 be faster than an unlocked and even mildly overclocked 2600k with stock cooling. I bet even the 2500k overclocked with a $30 cooler will wipe the floor with the i7-3820, maybe even in cinebench?

But you can bet intel will sell at least 20,000 i7-3820s.

wow let me guess you like to bash intel with no clue about what you are talking about?

You do realize posting things like this make you look like a amd fanboy lemming right?

For those of use who actually read the x79 articles we already know overclocking will be fine as it allows bclock adjustements.

Personally i dont really care, intel butchered x79 to much to make it worth it. Im waiting for IB now, i would have gone x79 if intel hadnt screwed it up. Might go second gen BD if its out and competative with IB at the time(which i doubt but you never know).

edit for my lack of spelling skills

 

[grkM3]

What RAM do you have that does 2133 at 7-7-7, and what voltage are you running it at?

I have 2 different sets from gskill.They had a limited run of some really great ram last year.

one set is 2200mhz at 7-10-10-1t and will do 7-7-7 and the other is a set of 2133 7-10-7-1t that will do 6-9-7-1t

Edit-I usually run all 4 sticks for 8gb@2133 8-10-8-1t 24/7 and can bench these with 2 sticks with really tight timings but I cant get cl7 using 4 sticks as its way to much stress on the cpu controller

I get real close to 27000 mb/sec in aida64 with tight timings and can clock them to around 2230-2240mhz

here is there stock xmp profiles

 

[blackened23]

The i7-3820 must be a litmus test for retards. In no way should a locked i7-3820 be faster than an unlocked and even mildly overclocked 2600k with stock cooling. I bet even the 2500k overclocked with a $30 cooler will wipe the floor with the i7-3820, maybe even in cinebench?

But you can bet intel will sell at least 20,000 i7-3820s.

Welcome to anandtech where everyone assumes people buy PC's for gaming. 2600k won't be better than SB-E in multi threaded applications. Of course games will be just fine on the 2500/2600k, not everyone cares about that. You can also oc the 3820, just not the same as the 2500/2600k-- ES's have gotten 4.8ghz easily at 1.35V.

 

[Piano Man]

Welcome to anandtech where everyone assumes people buy PC's for gaming. 2600k won't be better than SB-E in multi threaded applications. Of course games will be just fine on the 2500/2600k, not everyone cares about that. You can also oc the 3820, just not the same as the 2500/2600k-- ES's have gotten 4.8ghz easily at 1.35V.

Which ES got to 4.8 and define easy (air?).

 

[Dadofamunky]

You know what will upset me is if I buy a x79 system when it is released and then they release a new x79 platform that has all the features they promised (that were left out of the initial release), within a few months.

I think that's pretty much guaranteed to happen, myself. That just happened with Sandy Bridge.

I have 2 different sets from gskill.They had a limited run of some really great ram last year.

one set is 2200mhz at 7-10-10-1t and will do 7-7-7 and the other is a set of 2133 7-10-7-1t that will do 6-9-7-1t

Edit-I usually run all 4 sticks for 8gb@2133 8-10-8-1t 24/7 and can bench these with 2 sticks with really tight timings but I cant get cl7 using 4 sticks as its way to much stress on the cpu controller

I get real close to 27000 mb/sec in aida64 with tight timings and can clock them to around 2230-2240mhz

Darn it Hoss, them there's some serious RAM stix. I'm jealous.

 

[pantsaregood]

I just tested this last week trying 5ghz with 2133 tight timings and 5ghz with 1600 loose timings using cinebench.

running at 2133 gave as much boost as 300 mhz overclock on the cpu would need,like I would have to run my loose timings run at 5300 mhz cpu to match the same score I got with 2133 7-7-7 timings

This sounds amazing.

Then you realize at 5.0 GHz, "300 MHz worth of clock speed" results in a theoretical performance increase of 6%. Given that programs never scale perfectly, that's under a 6% performance advantage.

Again, Sandy Bridge is not bandwidth starved.

That is, however, some beast RAM.

 

[SHAQ]

I will wait for a unlocked 3820.

 

[AtenRa]

Sandy Bridge-E and MSI X79 preview

 

[OVerLoRDI]

Too expensive vs 2500k. Probably a good upgrade for those on x58. I think I'll put off my triple gpu build till the next enthusiast platform.

 

[AdamK47]

This sounds amazing.

Then you realize at 5.0 GHz, "300 MHz worth of clock speed" results in a theoretical performance increase of 6%. Given that programs never scale perfectly, that's under a 6% performance advantage.

Again, Sandy Bridge is not bandwidth starved.

That is, however, some beast RAM.

Then you realize at 2133MHz memory speed, up to 6% performance improvement is a performance increase you otherwise would not have had.

 

[AdamK47]

Sandy Bridge-E and MSI X79 preview

It was a good preview before the massive edit. What was seen cannot be unseen.

 

[Hauk]

$50 - $75 for a higher end platform that does have more options/features is really short money. To me its a no brainer, especially when the CPUs and RAM will be the same price. But I guess to some people it may make a difference.

Agreed on CPU and RAM. I'm curious about motherboards though. Some hefty designs in the works. I'm thinking about ASRock this time around. Their "Bigfoot spotted" pic has surfaced. Active SB cooling: http://www.maximum-tech.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/asrock-x79-extreme7-motherboard.jpg

 

[Edrick]

Agreed on CPU and RAM. I'm curious about motherboards though. Some hefty designs in the works. I'm thinking about ASRock this time around. Their "Bigfoot spotted" pic has surfaced. Active SB cooling: http://www.maximum-tech.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/asrock-x79-extreme7-motherboard.jpg

Now that X79 has been nerfed down to Z68 levels, I expect MB prices to not be that much more money than top of the line Z68 boards. I would guess we will see linups starting around $200 an go all the way up to $400.

 

[Hauk]

Sounds good to me..

 

[PreferLinux]

It was a good preview before the massive edit. What was seen cannot be unseen.

OK, can you give us a summary of what it had, please?

 

[AdamK47]

It had photos of a near production version of an MSI motherboard with an overview of the layout. The preview showed overclocking results along with 3DMark benchmark results comparing it to an overclocked 980x.