Sanders to introduce single payer medicare for all bill

[woolfe9998]

Just as the title says, he's introducing it in the Senate.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/13/politics/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-plan-details/index.html

The plan would phase in over 4 years, applying to 55 year olds at year one, 45 year olds at year two, 35 year olds at year three, and everyone at year four.

Polls show 53% now support full single payer:

http://www.kff.org/health-reform/po...lleable-support-for-single-payer-health-care/

Obviously the bill will not pass, not even get to a vote. But I think it's a good idea to start laying the groundwork. The time is ripe for single payer, with the GOP having failed to pass any alternative to the ACA. The repubs showed no leadership on the issue and never have.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I hope it actually goes forward.

 

[Atreus21]

If government force doesn't work, you ain't using enough. Sigh.

 

[IronWing]

If government force doesn't work, you ain't using enough. Sigh.

Government works fine when you don't elect a group of saboteurs to run it.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Just as the title says, he's introducing it in the Senate.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/13/politics/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-plan-details/index.html

The plan would phase in over 4 years, applying to 55 year olds at year one, 45 year olds at year two, 35 year olds at year three, and everyone at year four.

Polls show 53% now support full single payer:

http://www.kff.org/health-reform/po...lleable-support-for-single-payer-health-care/

Obviously the bill will not pass, not even get to a vote. But I think it's a good idea to start laying the groundwork. The time is ripe for single payer, with the GOP having failed to pass any alternative to the ACA. The repubs showed no leadership on the issue and never have.

The Modern Age Finally reaches Washington. About time we took some "equal" from the "MORE-EQUAL."


Time we killed this mindset.
1# GOOD Healthcare should be a privilege reserved only for the rich.
2# Let the poor get sick and die, that's how to reduce the surplus population.

 

[ivwshane]

Just as the title says, he's introducing it in the Senate.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/13/politics/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-plan-details/index.html

The plan would phase in over 4 years, applying to 55 year olds at year one, 45 year olds at year two, 35 year olds at year three, and everyone at year four.

Polls show 53% now support full single payer:

http://www.kff.org/health-reform/po...lleable-support-for-single-payer-health-care/

Obviously the bill will not pass, not even get to a vote. But I think it's a good idea to start laying the groundwork. The time is ripe for single payer, with the GOP having failed to pass any alternative to the ACA. The repubs showed no leadership on the issue and never have.

Laying the ground work? Sanders has introduced a bill for single payer every year! He did it back when Clinton was pushing for health care reform and it hasn't gone anywhere since.

But you guys go on hoping that this will be the year, the year that Republicans control all three branches of government and most state legislatures, that finally puts single payer into reality.
Btw, how is single payer going at the state levels?


Democrats are so politically stupid sometimes.

 

[ivwshane]

Government works fine when you don't elect a group of saboteurs to run it.

You would think this would be obvious but apparently the only institutions where you'd want people who want to destroy said institutions to run those institutions is in government.

Has anyone ever heard of a CEO who hates a particular company becoming that company's CEO while continuing to say they hate that particular company?

 

[WHAMPOM]

Seven years of multiple conservative votes to rescind healthcare all vetoed by President Obama. Now with a President willing to sign, they cannot walk the walk. Well, GO Sanders, show the hypocrites for what they are, put them on stage for all to see.

 

[woolfe9998]

Laying the ground work? Sanders has introduced a bill for single payer every year! He did it back when Clinton was pushing for health care reform and it hasn't gone anywhere since.

But you guys go on hoping that this will be the year, the year that Republicans control all three branches of government and most state legislatures, that finally puts single payer into reality.
Btw, how is single payer going at the state levels?


Democrats are so politically stupid sometimes.

Did you catch the part where I said the bill wouldn't even get to a vote? You must have missed it, or you wouldn't have said "But you guys go on hoping that this will be the year."

And while he had introduced this legislation before, I also made the point that I think the time is ripe for making a big, vocal push for single payer, in light the GOP's publicly known failure to produce an alternative to the ACA. Right now, polls show support increasing. This bill will obviously go nowhere because the GOP will vote it down in spite of its popularity. It isn't a bad thing to call attention to this ahead of elections. I think in 2020, we're going to nominate a candidate who runs on single payer.

 

[IronWing]

You would think this would be obvious but apparently the only institutions where you'd want people who want to destroy said institutions to run those institutions is in government.

Has anyone ever heard of a CEO who hates a particular company becoming that company's CEO while continuing to say they hate that particular company?

Carly Fiorina comes to mind and look what she went on to try.

 

[Homerboy]

Democrats are so politically stupid sometimes.

And Republicans aren't any better -- clamoring "repeal and replace" for 8+ years now? How's that fairing?

 

[ivwshane]

Carly Fiorina comes to mind and look what she went on to try.

Fiorina stated she didn't like HP and thought it needed to be weakened?
That's a new one.

 

[ivwshane]

And Republicans aren't any better -- clamoring "repeal and replace" for 8+ years now? How's that fairing?

No party has a monopoly on incompetence or stupidity so I'm not sure what your point is.

 

[IronWing]

Fiorina stated she didn't like HP and thought it needed to be weakened?
That's a new one.

Just judging by her actions here.

 

[ivwshane]

Did you catch the part where I said the bill wouldn't even get to a vote? You must have missed it, or you wouldn't have said "But you guys go on hoping that this will be the year."

And while he had introduced this legislation before, I also made the point that I think the time is ripe for making a big, vocal push for single payer, in light the GOP's publicly known failure to produce an alternative to the ACA. Right now, polls show support increasing. This bill will obviously go nowhere because the GOP will vote it down in spite of its popularity. It isn't a bad thing to call attention to this ahead of elections. I think in 2020, we're going to nominate a candidate who runs on single payer.

I guess I need to be very specific with my words around you. "you guys" was a generalization of Democrat voters and politicians.

Politically speaking, we have a very large part of the electorate that has voted, for many years, for politicians who are not only opposed to the ACA but also opposed to government ran health care and you think introducing a bill that does just that without doing any actual ground work (you know like actually selling the idea of a single payer system to the American people), is politically smart?

All they are doing at this point is setting up another left/right debate as opposed to a policy debate.

 

[ivwshane]

Just judging by her actions here.

Her actions after she was hired isn't what got her hired in the first place. How many companies has she been hired on since then?

 

[woolfe9998]

If government force doesn't work, you ain't using enough. Sigh.

You're concerned about "government force." Are you also at all concerned that millions of Americans are uninsured and have limited access to healthcare, and that tens of millions more are underinsured and funding a lot of their own care, which many cannot afford?

If the GOP and its conservative supporters had a market based alternative to accomplish giving everyone affordable access to healthcare, I'd be all for it. Let me know when you guys figure out what form that will take. We haven't seen it yet after decades of listening to conservatives complain about every liberal idea on healthcare. The republican "plan" is basically to just let people who can't afford expensive insurance suffer or die. That is inhumane. The rest of the industrialized world realized that decades ago. We're trailing because we have an ideological bloc who has convinced themselves that somehow a government system to provide healthcare for everyone is some kind of authoritarian nightmare, in spite of the fact that even the conservatives in these countries like their healthcare system, and no one who actually lives in these places seems to think it's a form of government oppression.

A friend of mine who I would describe as hard right, supporting Trump and believing in all kinds of Alex Jones conspiracy crap (he think the Clintons killed Vince Foster, for example), moved to Canada several years ago for work reasons. He told me he loves their healthcare system. The guy is hard right on basically every other issue but he supports single payer because he lives there and has experienced it first hand. That should tell you something.

 

[Svnla]

How about VA for all? Like this article from this author - https://www.yahoo.com/news/americans-could-cheap-health-care-172302829.html

 

[woolfe9998]

I guess I need to be very specific with my words around you. "you guys" was a generalization of Democrat voters and politicians.

I don't think any special care in choosing your words is necessary. But when you use the term "you guys" in direct response to my post which you quoted, it was hardly unreasonable for me to assume that "you guys" included me.

Politically speaking, we have a very large part of the electorate that has voted, for many years, for politicians who are not only opposed to the ACA but also opposed to government ran health care and you think introducing a bill that does just that without doing any actual ground work (you know like actually selling the idea of a single payer system to the American people), is politically smart?

All they are doing at this point is setting up another left/right debate as opposed to a policy debate.

This bill definitely needs to be accompanied by a coordinated attempt to sell the idea to the public. If we're at 53% support now, before any major efforts have been made in this area, I think support could climb much higher. This should happen now and should continue to happen all the way through 2020 and in the campaign. The bill is just a vehicle to call attention to it, timed perfectly, right on the heals of the repubs failure to replace the ACA. If that isn't done and this is just another dead bill that comes and goes with little fanfare, then it won't have much impact in any direction.

 

[ivwshane]

I don't think any special care in choosing your words is necessary. But when you use the term "you guys" in direct response to my post which you quoted, it was hardly unreasonable for me to assume that "you guys" included me.



This bill definitely needs to be accompanied by a coordinated attempt to sell the idea to the public. If we're at 53% support now, before any major efforts have been made in this area, I think support could climb much higher. This should happen now and should continue to happen all the way through 2020 and in the campaign. The bill is just a vehicle to call attention to it, timed perfectly, right on the heals of the repubs failure to replace the ACA. If that isn't done and this is just another dead bill that comes and goes, then it won't have much impact in any direction.

He's been doing it for decades and we are no closer politically than we were then. Clearly what the public thinks doesn't matter, otherwise we'd have gun control and higher taxes on the wealthy.
No matter how good your ideas are its irrelevant if you have no path to move them forward through Congress. He has no path. His legislative record is bare because he has a history of not having a way to get his ideas implemented.

All I'm saying is that if you are relying on Bernie to get things done, history shows you will be disappointed.

 

[ivwshane]

How about VA for all? Like this article from this author - https://www.yahoo.com/news/americans-could-cheap-health-care-172302829.html

I thought you of all people wouldn't be for government ran health care (and this idea is purely government ran) but if you are sold on it then, yeah, I'm all for it.

 

[Fenixgoon]

If government force doesn't work, you ain't using enough. Sigh.

because the free market always delivers the best solutions, amirite?

i'm not opposed to private companies selling goods or services. but when those private companies actively fuck over the populace, it's the government's job to step in. whether that's polluting the environment, lack of competition, or even taking risky investments into groundbreaking technologies.

clearly the way modern insurance is setup is unsustainable. costs continue to rise dramatically, even if the rate of change has slowed down. at some point, you simply have to be willing to try an alternative system.

 

[Moonbeam]

You're concerned about "government force." Are you also at all concerned that millions of Americans are uninsured and have limited access to healthcare, and that tens of millions more are underinsured and funding a lot of their own care, which many cannot afford?

If the GOP and its conservative supporters had a market based alternative to accomplish giving everyone affordable access to healthcare, I'd be all for it. Let me know when you guys figure out what form that will take. We haven't seen it yet after decades of listening to conservatives complain about every liberal idea on healthcare. The republican "plan" is basically to just let people who can't afford expensive insurance suffer or die. That is inhumane. The rest of the industrialized world realized that decades ago. We're trailing because we have an ideological bloc who has convinced themselves that somehow a government system to provide healthcare for everyone is some kind of authoritarian nightmare, in spite of the fact that even the conservatives in these countries like their healthcare system, and no one who actually lives in these places seems to think it's a form of government oppression.

A friend of mine who I would describe as hard right, supporting Trump and believing in all kinds of Alex Jones conspiracy crap (he think the Clintons killed Vince Foster, for example), moved to Canada several years ago for work reasons. He told me he loves their healthcare system. The guy is hard right on basically every other issue but he supports single payer because he lives there and has experienced it first hand. That should tell you something.

You can.tell a bigot, but you can't tell him much. Atreus knows he's right but his belief is based on assumptions he unconsciously holds and thus is unable to see their irrationality. He just knows he's right because what he believes he unconsciously identifies with the good, and he IS right that there is a good. He just doesn't know that what he believes isn't it.

 

[ivwshane]

because the free market always delivers the best solutions, amirite?

i'm not opposed to private companies selling goods or services. but when those private companies actively fuck over the populace, it's the government's job to step in. whether that's polluting the environment, lack of competition, or even taking risky investments into groundbreaking technologies.

clearly the way modern insurance is setup is unsustainable. costs continue to rise dramatically, even if the rate of change has slowed down. at some point, you simply have to be willing to try an alternative system.

True but other than lowering administrative costs I don't see anything in Sanders bill that will lower health care costs. Willing to try alternatives makes sense when the alternatives also make sense and Sanders bill really doesn't make sense (for example, besides no real price control mechanism he also doesn't explain how he pays for it).

 

[Ken g6]

How about VA for all? Like this article from this author - https://www.yahoo.com/news/americans-could-cheap-health-care-172302829.html

I'd buy this, except that the VA still has horribly long wait times.

Why don't they let anyone have the option to enroll in Medicare? Of course people under 65 would pay absurdly high premiums, but at least that would set a floor and a benchmark.