Sander Sassen has more news on the r520

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Kalessian

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Ronin
I honestly don't know. ATi has been in house both yesterday and today, but haven't had much time to talk to them yet.

How about giving us something we dont already know ? 😛

Yeah tell me about it. Ronin comes in here 'confirming' something that has just been posted by the Inquirer. How bout telling us about it before the Inquirer does if you want some credibility here.

his sorry excuse is NDA . . . he just posts useless bits of info and expects us to be impressed . . . . if somehow you're not impressed, he attacks you. :Q
:thumbsdown:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=899276

Check the date. That's all I have to say. The date speaks for itself.

Ronin, a while back everyone was curious as to what exactly Power of 3 was. Though it turned out to be rather rediculous marketing crap... you were right on, then.

Many of us expected 7600 or some other new cards. When you confirmed what it really was, I was grateful.

Absolutely nothing was posted - about 'power of 3' or otherwise - that couldn't be found elsewhere. 😉

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: southpawuni
If you are in anyway conjecturing that dual slot is now better than single slot.. thats a sad road to go down.

I think what was said is that dual-slot cooling solutions are better than single-slot cooling solutions. And when you place a dual-slot cooling solution on a video card it becomes a dual-slot card. So yeah, I guess dual-slot cards are better if you want the best cooling solution for your card.

But my MORPH.. you gotta understand that OEMs and 3rd party manufacturers like BFG ect do not WANT to put dual slot coolers on if they dont have too.. its more expensive, and besides to you.. less attractive to the consumer.

It runs off more people from a card, than it brings in. I'd put a fairly heavy wager on that one. Also adds costs.. which isnt every businesses best friend.. ?

I work in the manufacturing industry, in a large and worldwide known corporation.. cutting costs and making more profit is what gets you your bonus checks.

You put a cooler that gets the job done.. no more. It increases your costs, and the cost of the card to the consumer.. reducing competitiveness.
ATI is doing it out of necessity. Believe me. And its in no way a good thing, other than going dual slot allowed them to remain competitive with Nvidia.. at all.

They have a dual slot solution to maintain ACCEPTABLE levels.. not to give the consumer "so much cooler running of a card than those durn GTXs!"

You have your outlook twisted, I'm afraid by fanboyism.
But they do what they have to do to get acceptable levels. They dont pop on a dual slot cooler to make it a "better card"..

I think their research probably shows the consumers view dual slot as a bad sign.. not a positive.. and I'm sure they'd rather have that money put into faster memory, or future R&D instead.

Rather than temporarily dazzle ONE Anandtech Forum member (yourself) because they went "above and beyond" Nvidia and did a dual slot solution... 😕

Single slot is better Morphio. For everyone.

After market dual slot? Sure, no one gets damaged there.. you get a cooler card and probably quieter.
ATI does not do dual slot, nor does Nvidia.. too reduce those things below what they usually would do with a single slot.

If any factory dual slot card has been cooler and quieter than a competing single slot card.. I'll eat my hat.

So feel free to prove me wrong.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: southpawuni
If you are in anyway conjecturing that dual slot is now better than single slot.. thats a sad road to go down.

I think what was said is that dual-slot cooling solutions are better than single-slot cooling solutions. And when you place a dual-slot cooling solution on a video card it becomes a dual-slot card. So yeah, I guess dual-slot cards are better if you want the best cooling solution for your card.

But my MORPH.. you gotta understand that OEMs and 3rd party manufacturers like BFG ect do not WANT to put dual slot coolers on if they dont have too.. its more expensive, and besides to you.. less attractive to the consumer.

It runs off more people from a card, than it brings in. I'd put a fairly heavy wager on that one. Also adds costs.. which isnt every businesses best friend.. ?

I work in the manufacturing industry, in a large and worldwide known corporation.. cutting costs and making more profit is what gets you your bonus checks.

ATI is doing it out of necessity. Believe me.

i'd have to agree it IS out of necessity . . . ati wants so bad to regain the [single GPU] performance crown . . .

. . . to my mind, a dual-slot solution is an OverClocked "normal" GPU - much like the 9800xt [and xt-pe editions]. . . OtOH, most enthuisiasts like the beefiest-looking videocard - it "justifies" that $600 for a videocard. :Q

i don't think ATI minds spend a few extra bucks on cooling if it will get them the advantage. 😉

 

[SilentRunning]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: M0RPH
That's some mighty fine backpedalling there by Sander Sassen.

Attention Nvidia fanboys: Your hero is now conceding that the X1800XT will outperform 7800GTX. Watcha gonna do now? Jump off a bridge?

Why would we jump off a bridge if his prediction the R520 will outperform the 7800GTX by a small amount come true? For that matter, why would we care if it outperforms it by a large amount?

We have the option to buy one too? We've had the best performance available, bar none, for months, and these still aren't in stores?

If the R520 performs a little bit better, we're better off because we've been enjoying that level of performance for months.

If the R520 is a LOT faster, all gamers win, and even if I only owned one 7800GTX I wouldn't be "sad". I'd have had top level gaming for a few months, and I'd still have 7800GTX level gaming, which is nothing to cry about.

The only people who would be sad are dumbasses that think owning the current benchmark champ is more important than enjoying your gaming experience.

Real gamers welcome any and all advances to the industry, regardless of who makes them.

Wow, Rollo admitting that they are an Nvidia fanboy, the end of the earth must soon be near. :Q

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: M0RPH
Well if it's not keysplayr2003. One of the guys who was so insistent that a 16-pipe card could never beat a 24-pipe card. You still clinging to that theory, bud?

Oh you can never be my bud Morphy. Did you happen to hear what nvidia is launching?
Or do you have your nose buried so deep in ATI's digestional tract to see what's brewing around you? I told you that for every move ATI makes, Nvidia already has a smackdown move ready to go at all times.

And yes it is obvious that if you can crank a 16 pipe card to high enough clockspeeds along with 1.5 GHz 512MB of memory, it can compete with higher piped cards. Kind of like what Nvidia did with the 5900 against the 9xxx series. 4 pipes against 8 pipes respectively.

Anyway, start readin up "bud". You're not gonna like it. Of this I am pleasantly sure.

So are you saying that the only way Ati can keep pace is through missing textures? No I think this is a different time, with different technologies. Also I think the community will be watching drivers from both companies very closely here. At least they will be watching each other closely. :beer:

edit: I love how the "my 9700 has crappy drivers and the 5900 line is so much nicer" crowd - now are pointing to it as the example of the mistake Ati is making.

Didn't mention textures. I said clock speeds, 4 pipes to 8 pipes. That is all. Nothing about DX9 performance or missing textures. No other meaning. My point was that Nvidia was trying to keep up by running very high clocks as opposed to ATI relatively low clocks. Of course the technologies are somewhat different now, but they all have roots. I think nvidia has turned this into some sort of game. Like the card game "WAR". ATI lays down a X800GT/O, Nvidia lays down a 6800XT. ATI lays down a 512MB 16 pipe card, nvidia lays down a 20/24 pipe 512MB card. It's like they have all these products just waiting to be layed down.
I have a theory about why Nvidia has been on the ball with the release availability thing. I think its because they didn't bother with a refresh and let that cycle go. I'm talking about around the time ATI released the X850XTPE for a refresh. Everyone expected NV to release a 6850/6900 or something, but it never happened.

I think they put all their resources that would have gone into a refresh and got a huge head start on next gen 7 series. That may be why they are so on the ball right now with availability and products to answer everything with.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Woot return of the 5800 U style leafblower, this time from ATi!

X1800XT Leafblower Edition

Show me the original leafblower! Nothing beats that one.

5800 Ultra leaf blower

:laugh: This one was photoshopped better. The man looks like he is actually holding onto the agp connector.

edit: drag and drop link.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Woot return of the 5800 U style leafblower, this time from ATi!

X1800XT Leafblower Edition

Show me the original leafblower! Nothing beats that one.

5800 Ultra leaf blower

:laugh: This one was photoshopped better. The man looks like he is actually holding onto the agp connector.

I got this:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /1gm/images/blower2.jpg on this server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat) Server at onegoodmove.org Port 80

when i clicked your link 🙁

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Woot return of the 5800 U style leafblower, this time from ATi!

X1800XT Leafblower Edition

Show me the original leafblower! Nothing beats that one.

5800 Ultra leaf blower

:laugh: This one was photoshopped better. The man looks like he is actually holding onto the agp connector.

I got this:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /1gm/images/blower2.jpg on this server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat) Server at onegoodmove.org Port 80

when i clicked your link 🙁

Drag and drop me thinks.

 

[xtknight]

Click the link then press enter on the address bar. That fixed it for me because it retains the referer.

 

[Keysplayr]

LOL!! Thanks I see it.

I bet ATI never thought their product would be in a leaf blower picture like the NV30 was. Nor did their fans. It's like Karma or something. If you believe in that sort of thing. 😀

Cheers and thanks for the chuckle.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
LOL!! Thanks I see it.

I bet ATI never thought their product would be in a leaf blower picture like the NV30 was. Nor did their fans. It's like Karma or something. If you believe in that sort of thing. 😀

Cheers and thanks for the chuckle.

the only way they would be comparable if the xt was extraordinarily loud as the DustBuster was . . . if the NV30 was quiet, it would not have been the butt of so many jokes . . . that such a nice piece of tech had such a crappy HS grafted on . . . as i remember, there were some really nice [non reference] cooling solutions that made it less painful on the ears.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
LOL!! Thanks I see it.

I bet ATI never thought their product would be in a leaf blower picture like the NV30 was. Nor did their fans. It's like Karma or something. If you believe in that sort of thing. 😀

Cheers and thanks for the chuckle.

the only way they would be comparable if the xt was extraordinarily loud as the DustBuster was . . . if the NV30 was quiet, it would not have been the butt of so many jokes . . . that such a nice piece of tech had such a crappy HS grafted on . . . as i remember, there were some really nice [non reference] cooling solutions that made it less painful on the ears.

Yep a nice Zalmann heatsink that wrapped around the card and then mount a 92mm to 120mm fan to the side and that card could even OC further then ultra speeds and was quiter then the hsf on my cpu...Mine also was void of the crazy throttling up and down of the fan that makes it more noticeable....

 

[Powermoloch]

WHOOOT ANOTHER FANBOYISM E-PENIS PISSING WAR 😀😀😀😀😀D😀

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
LOL!! Thanks I see it.

I bet ATI never thought their product would be in a leaf blower picture like the NV30 was. Nor did their fans. It's like Karma or something. If you believe in that sort of thing. 😀

Cheers and thanks for the chuckle.

the only way they would be comparable if the xt was extraordinarily loud as the DustBuster was . . . if the NV30 was quiet, it would not have been the butt of so many jokes . . . that such a nice piece of tech had such a crappy HS grafted on . . . as i remember, there were some really nice [non reference] cooling solutions that made it less painful on the ears.

True, true. You never know (well we should in a few days), it could be mouse quiet.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: M0RPH
Well if it's not keysplayr2003. One of the guys who was so insistent that a 16-pipe card could never beat a 24-pipe card. You still clinging to that theory, bud?

Oh you can never be my bud Morphy. Did you happen to hear what nvidia is launching?
Or do you have your nose buried so deep in ATI's digestional tract to see what's brewing around you? I told you that for every move ATI makes, Nvidia already has a smackdown move ready to go at all times.

And yes it is obvious that if you can crank a 16 pipe card to high enough clockspeeds along with 1.5 GHz 512MB of memory, it can compete with higher piped cards. Kind of like what Nvidia did with the 5900 against the 9xxx series. 4 pipes against 8 pipes respectively.

Anyway, start readin up "bud". You're not gonna like it. Of this I am pleasantly sure.

So are you saying that the only way Ati can keep pace is through missing textures? No I think this is a different time, with different technologies. Also I think the community will be watching drivers from both companies very closely here. At least they will be watching each other closely. :beer:

edit: I love how the "my 9700 has crappy drivers and the 5900 line is so much nicer" crowd - now are pointing to it as the example of the mistake Ati is making.

Didn't mention textures. I said clock speeds, 4 pipes to 8 pipes. That is all. Nothing about DX9 performance or missing textures. No other meaning. My point was that Nvidia was trying to keep up by running very high clocks as opposed to ATI relatively low clocks. Of course the technologies are somewhat different now, but they all have roots. I think nvidia has turned this into some sort of game. Like the card game "WAR". ATI lays down a X800GT/O, Nvidia lays down a 6800XT. ATI lays down a 512MB 16 pipe card, nvidia lays down a 20/24 pipe 512MB card. It's like they have all these products just waiting to be layed down.
I have a theory about why Nvidia has been on the ball with the release availability thing. I think its because they didn't bother with a refresh and let that cycle go. I'm talking about around the time ATI released the X850XTPE for a refresh. Everyone expected NV to release a 6850/6900 or something, but it never happened.

I think they put all their resources that would have gone into a refresh and got a huge head start on next gen 7 series. That may be why they are so on the ball right now with availability and products to answer everything with.

Haven't seen the 6800xt for sale around here? The difference between 4 pipes and 8 pipes is very large, especially when the 8 pipe card was also better at sm 2.0. The difference between 16 and 24 is less, so really only time will tell if the 16 pipe card is also more efficient and has some nice extra features. Personally I am very surprised or will be if it can actually compete at fps - if it can, than really the choice will be IQ and features. Ati sure seems confident, but is possibly an act - though I really can't see the point. There is no way that they will get away with lowering IQ for frame rates. Guess the same can be said for the new Nvidia drivers - the community will be hard on any company that lowers IQ for fps (especially if both cards are within 10%). As for noise and power - I doubt that will be an issue because as someone here already said, most people on this forum would do without lunch and pay the power bill.

 

[imported_Harkonnen]

"The Radeon X1800XL will be available on October 5th and offers a 500MHz core and 1GHz memory frequency and comes with 256MB of GDDR3 memory with a price tag of $449."

I thought the x1800xl was supposed to have 1.25GHz memeory and 512mb gddr3 ram?

According to Anand's R520 pre-NDA extravaganza.

Maybe he has it confused with the x1800 pro?