Sanctions imposed on Russia, India

[fitzov]

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Not a huge deal, but it is something that may stir international politics. The sanctions prevent any US agency from dealing with any of the companies "on the list". Cuba and N.Korea were also sanctioned but who cares? But seriously, how much American taxmoney was spent on the listed companies anyway?

 

[Aimster]

U.S has been sanctioning India for years now because of this.

China as well and Russia. Even some European companies.

 

[MadRat]

We need to deny nuclear technology and F-18E's with AESA radars to India, lest they end up in Russian and Chinese laboratories.

 

[jpeyton]

No worries, Russia and China have plenty of nuclear technology to go around, and they have a thirst for natural resources like you wouldn't believe. It's an easy exchange, and the only country that loses out seems to be us.

 

[senseamp]

The Russian firms were listed as state-owned arms export firm Rosoboronexport and warplane maker Sukhoi.

They are just angry Sukhoi sold planes to Venezuela, obviously has nothing to do with Iran. Also, the US has a lot more to lose from Russia retaliating against Boeing, whose planes Russian airlines actually buy. I don't think there are any plans for the US to buy Su-30s.

 

[Aimster]

Russia buys Boeing? I didnt know that.

I figured theyd buy their own aircraft

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Russia buys Boeing? I didnt know that.

I figured theyd buy their own aircraft

Not only do they buy Boeings (mostly for international routes) but Boeing is a subcontractor for Sukhoi to build next generation Russian regional jet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Russian_Regional_Jet

This is going to end up hurting the US companies. Russia is already pissed at the US for blocking its entry to the WTO, this is going to be icing on the cake.
And Kindasleazy Lies is supposed to be a "Russia Expert," she clearly has no clue on how to deal with the Russians properly. She has no working approach to Russia, just try to turn it into an enemy.

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: senseamp

The Russian firms were listed as state-owned arms export firm Rosoboronexport and warplane maker Sukhoi.

They are just angry Sukhoi sold planes to Venezuela, obviously has nothing to do with Iran.

Ah yes, I had forgotten about that.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
No worries, Russia and China have plenty of nuclear technology to go around, and they have a thirst for natural resources like you wouldn't believe. It's an easy exchange, and the only country that loses out seems to be us.

Yep and you know a conflict between the US and China is all but inevitable. At the rate China is growing, its hunger for resources will outstrip the United States and then things will get ugly.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: jpeyton
No worries, Russia and China have plenty of nuclear technology to go around, and they have a thirst for natural resources like you wouldn't believe. It's an easy exchange, and the only country that loses out seems to be us.

Yep and you know a conflict between the US and China is all but inevitable. At the rate China is growing, its hunger for resources will outstrip the United States and then things will get ugly.

Wait let me adjust my tinfoil hat. ...Yeah it's coming in clear now, the conflict is inevitable:roll:

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: jpeyton
No worries, Russia and China have plenty of nuclear technology to go around, and they have a thirst for natural resources like you wouldn't believe. It's an easy exchange, and the only country that loses out seems to be us.

Yep and you know a conflict between the US and China is all but inevitable. At the rate China is growing, its hunger for resources will outstrip the United States and then things will get ugly.

Wait let me adjust my tinfoil hat. ...Yeah it's coming in clear now, the conflict is inevitable:roll:

There's already a brewing conflict between the US and China. Look at the recent Chinese desire to buy oil firms and the US becoming rattled by it. The conflict doesn't have to be a military one (at least for now) but it could be a dirty political game played by both sides.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: jpeyton
No worries, Russia and China have plenty of nuclear technology to go around, and they have a thirst for natural resources like you wouldn't believe. It's an easy exchange, and the only country that loses out seems to be us.

Yep and you know a conflict between the US and China is all but inevitable. At the rate China is growing, its hunger for resources will outstrip the United States and then things will get ugly.

Wait let me adjust my tinfoil hat. ...Yeah it's coming in clear now, the conflict is inevitable:roll:

There's already a brewing conflict between the US and China. Look at the recent Chinese desire to buy oil firms and the US becoming rattled by it. The conflict doesn't have to be a military one (at least for now) but it could be a dirty political game played by both sides.

Well that's cetrtainly true but I don't believe it will evolve into a military conflict as both economies are dependant on each other.

 

[fornax]

Sukhoi has not sold even a washer to Iran for many, many years, so yes, this is all about Venezuela. This is going to bite us very badly. Sukhoi will be delayed in the development of their RRJ plane, because Boing is a subcontractor, and they wanted to use Pratt-Whitney engines. But Boing also subcontracts a lot of work to Russia, which cannot be replaced cheaply on a short notice. The biggest threat, however (if the Russians decide to play it) is that Rosoboronexport is now the majority shareholder of the biggest titanium supplier to Boeing and many other companies.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: fornax
Sukhoi has not sold even a washer to Iran for many, many years, so yes, this is all about Venezuela. This is going to bite us very badly. Sukhoi will be delayed in the development of their RRJ plane, because Boing is a subcontractor, and they wanted to use Pratt-Whitney engines. But Boing also subcontracts a lot of work to Russia, which cannot be replaced cheaply on a short notice. The biggest threat, however (if the Russians decide to play it) is that Rosoboronexport is now the majority shareholder of the biggest titanium supplier to Boeing and many other companies.

I don't think the impact will be limited to just business related to these two companies.
This is on top of US blocking Russia's WTO entry, and this is also an attack on Putin, since these companies are near and dear to Putin, and Sukhoi's planes are also a source of national pride in Russia. It's really a pig-headed approach to Russia that will backfire. Russia will not tolerate foreign interference in its affairs, I am surprised the State Department still doesn't get that. Russia is a fast growing economy with rapidly increasing consumer purchasing capacity and disposable income. If the US wants to be part of that, it can't afford to make mistakes like these. Also, Putin decides who gets to develop Russia's natural resources, and this won't help US companies win contracts.

 

[MadRat]

Russia will not only tolerate it, they will fix their problems. Russia only understands brute force. Economic brute force works fine in this case.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: jpeyton
No worries, Russia and China have plenty of nuclear technology to go around, and they have a thirst for natural resources like you wouldn't believe. It's an easy exchange, and the only country that loses out seems to be us.

Yep and you know a conflict between the US and China is all but inevitable. At the rate China is growing, its hunger for resources will outstrip the United States and then things will get ugly.

MAD... remember that! We and the Soviets understood this and China is no less intelligent. No one of Major Super power creates the end of existence because of mistakes or on purposes they yell alot but don't do much...

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Russia will not only tolerate it, they will fix their problems. Russia only understands brute force. Economic brute force works fine in this case.

But where is the economic brute force? US government saying it won't buy Russian weapons that it doesn't buy anyways? What does that accomplish? All it does is raise the rhetoric without accomplishing anything, and simply irritating Russia, which will have negative impact on US business interests in Russia.

 

[MadRat]

The U.S. had a multi-billion dollar carrot in front of the Russians for the Iraq military. Russia loses big time on this deal.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: MadRat
The U.S. had a multi-billion dollar carrot in front of the Russians for the Iraq military. Russia loses big time on this deal.

Not at all. Israeli aggression in the Middle East means plenty of military contracts in other countries.

 

[fallenangel99]

Heh, we sanction India and then turn around and sell nuclear technology to India (or vice-versa, whatever the case).

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: MadRat
The U.S. had a multi-billion dollar carrot in front of the Russians for the Iraq military. Russia loses big time on this deal.

Loses what? Do you really think the US will equip Iraq with anything other than Russian weapons? Only if they want to spend 5 times as much on less reliable, harder to maintain weapons systems.

 

[Trianon]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Russia will not only tolerate it, they will fix their problems. Russia only understands brute force. Economic brute force works fine in this case.

Durak! In this particular case Russian companies will experience a little more than inconvinience, as senseamp noted, US companies will lose a lot more: Aeroflot was just about to buy 20 boeing 787, and Russia can stop selling titanium thru VSMPO - Avisma. All of a sudden engines for US planes will cost a lot more

 

[Trianon]

Originally posted by: MadRat
The U.S. had a multi-billion dollar carrot in front of the Russians for the Iraq military. Russia loses big time on this deal.

I thought it was proposed 400 mln for Afghani army beforefall elections. either way, 1 bln $ from Venezuela >> "maybe" 400 mln from USA.

p.s. Yesss, 888 posts

p.p.s. Looks like my company is SOL on RRJ project, we were Boeing subcontractor for position sensors for entire plane