San Francisco OKs Most-Ambitious Minimum-Wage Law

[charrison]

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SAN FRANCISCO -- San Francisco is one of the most expensive places to live -- and voters there are trying to make it a little more affordable.

They've approved a ballot measure boosting the minimum wage to $8.50 an hour. That's more than $3 above the federal minimum wage and will apply to virtually every employer in San Francisco.

The federally required minimum wage of $5.15 an hour is far below the federal poverty level.

My guess is this will accelate the self serve ordering kiosks that Mcdonalds is developing. Grocery stores and Home depot are also creating similar self serve checkouts.


That being said, 8$/hour is not enough to live there. Maybe they should raise minimum wage to $25/hour.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: charrison
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SAN FRANCISCO -- San Francisco is one of the most expensive places to live -- and voters there are trying to make it a little more affordable.

They've approved a ballot measure boosting the minimum wage to $8.50 an hour. That's more than $3 above the federal minimum wage and will apply to virtually every employer in San Francisco.

The federally required minimum wage of $5.15 an hour is far below the federal poverty level.

My guess is this will accelate the self serve ordering kiosks that Mcdonalds is developing. Grocery stores and Home depot are also creating similar self serve checkouts.


That being said, 8$/hour is not enough to live there. Maybe they should raise minimum wage to $25/hour.

Interesting how you got caught in the quagmire there. You can bet that there are Employers there only paying $5.15 an hour and the people taking those jobs relying exclusively on the tips by patrons to actualy survive.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
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SAN FRANCISCO -- San Francisco is one of the most expensive places to live -- and voters there are trying to make it a little more affordable.

They've approved a ballot measure boosting the minimum wage to $8.50 an hour. That's more than $3 above the federal minimum wage and will apply to virtually every employer in San Francisco.

The federally required minimum wage of $5.15 an hour is far below the federal poverty level.

My guess is this will accelate the self serve ordering kiosks that Mcdonalds is developing. Grocery stores and Home depot are also creating similar self serve checkouts.


That being said, 8$/hour is not enough to live there. Maybe they should raise minimum wage to $25/hour.

Interesting how you got caught in the quagmire there. You can bet that there are Employers there only paying $5.15 an hour and the people taking those jobs relying exclusively on the tips by patrons to actualy survive.

I got caught in the quagmire how?

 

[Lucky]

what does that matter, the joint still has to cough up extra money if they dont make min. wage in tips.

 

[mastertech01]

I think it should be 5.15 x 40 minimum wage per week, regardless of hours worked. Then the motivation to under employ people will be reduced significantly.


EDIT or any minimum wage set x 40

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: mastertech01
I think it should be 5.15 x 40 minimum wage per week, regardless of hours worked. Then the motivation to under employ people will be reduced significantly.


EDIT or any minimum wage set x 40

The only problem with that is there are many jobs that are part-time by nature and cater to those that wish to work part-time hours. Also there are many places that employ people who wish to work "mother's hours".

CkG

 

[mastertech01]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: mastertech01
I think it should be 5.15 x 40 minimum wage per week, regardless of hours worked. Then the motivation to under employ people will be reduced significantly.


EDIT or any minimum wage set x 40

The only problem with that is there are many jobs that are part-time by nature and cater to those that wish to work part-time hours. Also there are many places that employ people who wish to work "mother's hours".

CkG

True, I guess one could sign a waiver for certain positions or situations. Id rather have an opt out than no opt in.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

The only problem with that is there are many jobs that are part-time by nature and cater to those that wish to work part-time hours. Also there are many places that employ people who wish to work "mother's hours".

Many of those working part-time jobs cannot make ends meet on a single full-time job . . . you know like schoolteachers. I like the mother's hours comment . . . kinda the flipside of absent father's hours.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
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SAN FRANCISCO -- San Francisco is one of the most expensive places to live -- and voters there are trying to make it a little more affordable.

They've approved a ballot measure boosting the minimum wage to $8.50 an hour. That's more than $3 above the federal minimum wage and will apply to virtually every employer in San Francisco.

The federally required minimum wage of $5.15 an hour is far below the federal poverty level.

My guess is this will accelate the self serve ordering kiosks that Mcdonalds is developing. Grocery stores and Home depot are also creating similar self serve checkouts.


That being said, 8$/hour is not enough to live there. Maybe they should raise minimum wage to $25/hour.

Interesting how you got caught in the quagmire there. You can bet that there are Employers there only paying $5.15 an hour and the people taking those jobs relying exclusively on the tips by patrons to actualy survive.

I got caught in the quagmire how?

I hope you're kidding when you suggested $25/hour

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
linkage

SAN FRANCISCO -- San Francisco is one of the most expensive places to live -- and voters there are trying to make it a little more affordable.

They've approved a ballot measure boosting the minimum wage to $8.50 an hour. That's more than $3 above the federal minimum wage and will apply to virtually every employer in San Francisco.

The federally required minimum wage of $5.15 an hour is far below the federal poverty level.

My guess is this will accelate the self serve ordering kiosks that Mcdonalds is developing. Grocery stores and Home depot are also creating similar self serve checkouts.


That being said, 8$/hour is not enough to live there. Maybe they should raise minimum wage to $25/hour.

Interesting how you got caught in the quagmire there. You can bet that there are Employers there only paying $5.15 an hour and the people taking those jobs relying exclusively on the tips by patrons to actualy survive.

I got caught in the quagmire how?

I hope you're kidding when you suggested $25/hour

yes, i was kidding.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: mastertech01

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: mastertech01
I think it should be 5.15 x 40 minimum wage per week, regardless of hours worked. Then the motivation to under employ people will be reduced significantly.


EDIT or any minimum wage set x 40

The only problem with that is there are many jobs that are part-time by nature and cater to those that wish to work part-time hours. Also there are many places that employ people who wish to work "mother's hours".

CkG

True, I guess one could sign a waiver for certain positions or situations. Id rather have an opt out than no opt in.

Great discussion guys on this. Not Liberal, not Conservative, not over Governing, it's putting people first. What a concept.

 

[Dragnov]

Minimum wage in California is $6.75, so the $5.15 national is pretty moot to be mentioned.

That being said, self service checkouts are absolutely evil.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Minimum wage in California is $6.75, so the $5.15 national is pretty moot to be mentioned.

That being said, self service checkouts are absolutely evil.

I have used them twice and had 2 bad experiences. They still need work.

 

[DealMonkey]

I've used self-service checkouts at both Home Depot and a local Ralph's Supermarket. I like them. Most shoppers are too befuddled to go near them, so I speed through the check-out process. A couple things worth mentioning: The self-serve checkout systems still require a human (or two) to monitor as people use them. Also, they sometimes have technical problems. Not very often, but occasionally things won't scan properly, etc.

As for minimum wage in CA, I still have a hard time figuring out how people are making it on $6.75/hr x 40 hrs week x 4 weeks/mo = $1,080 gross. After taxes, they're probably looking at $700 or $800 net. How the hell do these people live? Small studio apts in my area run at least that much. I seriously don't understand how someone working @ minimum wage can make it. Pretty much their only hope is to have their spouse (or Significant Other) also working FT at the same hrly or slightly better...

 

[DealMonkey]

dp

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I've used self-service checkouts at both Home Depot and a local Ralph's Supermarket. I like them. Most shoppers are too befuddled to go near them, so I speed through the check-out process. A couple things worth mentioning: The self-serve checkout systems still require a human (or two) to monitor as people use them. Also, they sometimes have technical problems. Not very often, but occasionally things won't scan properly, etc.

As for minimum wage in CA, I still have a hard time figuring out how people are making it on $6.75/hr x 40 hrs week x 4 weeks/mo = $1,080 gross. After taxes, they're probably looking at $700 or $800 net. How the hell do these people live? Small studio apts in my area run at least that much. I seriously don't understand how someone working @ minimum wage can make it. Pretty much their only hope is to have their spouse (or Significant Other) also working FT at the same hrly or slightly better...

I visited a friend in california a couple years ago. He lived with about 5 other people in a house.

The 2 times have used the self service check outs, I had purchased items that dont work real on this system.

 

[kaizersose]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Minimum wage in California is $6.75, so the $5.15 national is pretty moot to be mentioned.

That being said, self service checkouts are absolutely evil.

I have used them twice and had 2 bad experiences. They still need work.

i love them. what needs work is the people who dont know how to use them (not referring to you, just the people that dont get how a barcode scanner works).

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: kaizersose

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Minimum wage in California is $6.75, so the $5.15 national is pretty moot to be mentioned.

That being said, self service checkouts are absolutely evil.

I have used them twice and had 2 bad experiences. They still need work.

i love them. what needs work is the people who dont know how to use them (not referring to you, just the people that dont get how a barcode scanner works).

Well i got spraypaint, which required human intervention.
Then another trip i got plastic paint roller covers, which have to be weighed(home depot system validates on weight of things purchased). This things weigh almost nothing, so human intervention was required again.

 

[AEB]

i use the self check outs all the time in Fred Meyer. It seems a lot of people use them. If alaskans can figure it out i hope the rest of the nation can. Besides if anything does go wrong there is a minimum-wager at the end of each set of self check outs!!

Side note alaska minimum wage is 7.75. most employers pay higher than that, and as most economists will tell you , minimum wage is bad for the economy