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San Fran restaurant killed tipping but it's now it's bringing it back

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And the restaurant charges 40% more for their food than the guy next door. They won't make it.
I highly doubt that. For starters I doubt the cost of the food will have to raise 40% to cover the cost of wages. Unless their current customers are on avg tipping at 40%. Most articles I have read on this usually pin the rise in cost of food at ~20-25% increase. That said, if the food is quality people will still go to eat there knowing they wont have to tip.

I would much rather have an overpaid server, where I choose to overpay, than an average minimum wage employee screwing up my dinner and dining experience. I'll cook at home 1st. Let the wait staff and owner eat cake.

They wont be min wage though.

What I take from this is a lot of people thinking they are gaming the system. You believe with our current system you save money by tipping poorly for poor service vs building the employees wage into the cost of food. The servers may believe they are gaming the system by providing better service for better tips. Or they will work more tables but provide worse service to receive more tip money based on volume. In the end all of this gaming is highly unproductive, annoying, and provides for poor experiences for everybody involved.
 
Only because it's the societal norm, not because I agree with it due to the aforementioned reasons in this thread. And yes, I have worked for tips before.
Who let the conformist in here?

j/k

So do your tips vary based on service or do you mostly give the same %?
 
Who let the conformist in here?

j/k

So do your tips vary based on service or do you mostly give the same %?

i think my tipping behavior is typical where it will vary to a point but never below or above a certain amount (10-25%).

only exception is if the waitstaff is obviously hooking me up, in which case there is no % limit ie, "Would you like the rest of this bottle of Dom togo, sir?"
 
i think my tipping behavior is typical where it will vary to a point but never below or above a certain amount (10-25%).

only exception is if the waitstaff is obviously hooking me up, in which case there is no % limit ie, "Would you like the rest of this bottle of Dom togo, sir?"
For sure.😀
 
Wtf why would you tip if it'd bad service? That's just rewarding their bad service. Tips are earned, or at least that's what it used to be since nowadays they are expected even for shitty service which is wrong.

Uh ohs... you better watch out. If you don't tip, the server may Instagram/Twitter the story. Hope he/she doesn't get your photo or name on the receipt either. The interwebs will come down on you before you get your story out.

Or they'll just spit in your food next time you visit after he/she tells the entire restaurant staff about you.
 
Why tipping is bad for restaurants and 'all-in' pricing is the most honest solution

The minimum wage in California starts to rise this year: It increased to $10 an hour on Jan. 1 and will jump to $10.50 an hour in Los Angeles in July. Yearly increases will reach the so-called "living wage" of $15 an hour in 2020 for Los Angeles, which also may not be such a living wage by then. As a direct result of this, restaurants will have little recourse but to raise menu prices. Will those rising prices mean that regular dining out will be a thing of the past for the middle class?

I come to this issue as a former restaurateur and current diner. So I see both sides of the story, one made more complex by how our society views tipping. For many reasons, we seem unable to accept that the bill at the end of the meal reflects the true and total cost of our dining experience — which includes not only the rising cost of labor, but the rising costs of food and Los Angeles real estate. Restaurant pricing should include everything the owner needs to operate, without relying on an unpredictable contribution by the diner. This model is called all-inclusive, or "all-in," pricing.

Once the $15 minimum wage goes into effect, the difference in pay between front of the house and back of the house employees will widen as tipping is added into the servers' wages. This gulf in compensation will be particularly alarming at the restaurants that make up the upscale casual dining landscape.

With all-in pricing the owner figures out what she wants to pay each employee and comes up with menu pricing that covers all of the business expenses. How novel. No more throwing coins in the direction of those who serve us our dinner.

There's another reason to abolish tipping. There is a strange dance — often sexist, sometimes abusive — that can go on between servers and diners. Diners want to judge; servers want to be tipped.

But imagine this instead: When the bill shows up, it's one number. Tipping isn't given a separate line on the bill; tipping isn't even allowed. Think about all the other services you pay for every day. You don't add on a separate tip for those; you simply pay what the business has decided the cost will be, and you decide to return based on the success and affordability of that transaction.

Currently we're seeing some creative restaurateurs experiment with line items on bills that cover health insurance or a bit extra to the kitchen, or 20% service charges — and some diners are freaking out. The current model won't work once wages rise. Restaurant owners need to solve the challenge of paying their employees more while creating greater equity between the front and the back of the house, all the while maintaining a sustainable, hopefully thriving business. In lower-end diners and small family restaurants, front and back of the house equity may be less of an issue because employee compensation is similar, but in the casual-upscale dining market that's booming now in Los Angeles, it's huge. All-in pricing is the most honest solution.

http://www.latimes.com/food/la-fo-all-in-restaurants-20160123-story.html
 
We'll see how it shakes out. The short answer, with no tipping, if the service sucks I won't go back. I would think the owners would offer something to get repeat business assuming the service is the same at most places.

Another thought, wage controls caused the employers to offer health care and pensions because they couldn't pay the best workers more $$. If the employer wants the best servers, they'll have to pay the servers more or give benefits cutting their bottom lines if they don't hike prices.

Let's say they raise prices 20% and the average ticket is $50. A server has 5 tables/hr. +$10/hr goes to the server, $10/hr goes to the govt and the owner is getting $30 extra per server per hr. Sounds like the owner is still making out unless I'm confused which is highly possible.
 
Get rid of tipping and you can kiss decent service goodbye.. want to test this? Go to France, Belgium and another other VAT country. I've never been ignored by waitstaff that badly before, thought it was a fluke my first time, nope every visit to Europe is like that.

Eh? I've had great service across Europe. Always stellar? No but certainly at least on par with what I get in the US. Been there quite a few times to quite a few countries and can't think of a single time I've been ignored

Tipping for shitty service is part of the problem. It doesn't solve anything.

Unfortunately I don't think bad tipping solves anything either. They just blame it on you for being a dick not their inability to fill glasses with liquid when they are empty, being rude, screwing up the order etc
 
The ability to turn tables quickly requires you to be good at your job. So, yes, it would make sense that people who can turn tables quickly would make more tips as a percentage of total wage.

Why is that a bad thing, again?

The more time they spend servicing other tables the less time they spend servicing yours. Basically your empty glass goes unattended for quite a bit longer than if they weren't trying to turn over as many tables as fast as possible. No time for polite chit chat either, give me your damn order so I can move on.
 
On a side note, I have an acquaintance that got a job as a waitress at one of the best restaurants in New Orleans. She dropped out of college about 6 months later which I thought was retarded at the time. Well it turned out to be a really good move, she is currently making over $200K a year and still has room for advancement. IMHO, I don't care how good a waitress is that's an absurd amount of money for the job but more power to her for getting it. I'd go wait tables right now if I could replace most of my income doing it, less hours, an absurd reduction in stress and when I go home there's no chance of work coming with me.
 
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LOL I cut my staff wages 25% and they all left to get their old wage back at the place down the street. Poor me!!!

Everyone of you on this board would do exactly the same thing.

No rational person is upset that IT workers earn 2-10x the average wage, or that doctors earn twice what IT workers make. But every IT worker is offended because some talented servers make as much as an entry level IT worker.
 
I'll repeat what I've said in the other thread. In the US, if you get bad service you give a shitty tip and the server thinks you're an asshole. In Japan, if you get bad service, the server gets fired and commits seppuku for dishonoring his family.

Guess which country has better service?
 
LOL I cut my staff wages 25% and they all left to get their old wage back at the place down the street. Poor me!!!

Everyone of you on this board would do exactly the same thing.

No rational person is upset that IT workers earn 2-10x the average wage, or that doctors earn twice what IT workers make. But every IT worker is offended because some talented servers make as much as an entry level IT worker.

Just because I'm a greedy sonuvabitch doesn't mean I can't rationally think about the impact of my choices. It's the "fuck you I'm gonna get mine" mentality.

I'll repeat what I've said in the other thread. In the US, if you get bad service you give a shitty tip and the server thinks you're an asshole. In Japan, if you get bad service, the server gets fired and commits seppuku for dishonoring his family.

Guess which country has better service?

😀😀😀
 
On a side note, I have an acquaintance that got a job as a waitress at one of the best restaurants in New Orleans. She dropped out of college about 6 months later which I thought was retarded at the time. Well it turned out to be a really good move, she is currently making over $200K a year and still has room for advancement. IMHO, I don't care how good a waitress is that's an absurd amount of money for the job but more power to her for getting it. I'd go wait tables right now if I could replace most of my income doing it, less hours, an absurd reduction in stress and when I go home there's no chance of work coming with me.

Is/was she hot?
 
LOL I cut my staff wages 25% and they all left to get their old wage back at the place down the street. Poor me!!!

Everyone of you on this board would do exactly the same thing.

No rational person is upset that IT workers earn 2-10x the average wage, or that doctors earn twice what IT workers make. But every IT worker is offended because some talented servers make as much as an entry level IT worker.

Lol pretty much 🙂 Back when I bartended I knew guys who easily hit 6 digits "just serving". I made about $30-40 an hour bartending and it wasn't easy work at all.
 
$45 an hour?! Waitresses around hear don't clear half that. My gosh with these stories and stories of teachers all raking in six figures+ I wonder if Dr. Pizza and I picked the wrong area to live in. 😱
 
$45 an hour?! Waitresses around hear don't clear half that. My gosh with these stories and stories of teachers all raking in six figures+ I wonder if Dr. Pizza and I picked the wrong area to live in. 😱
Uh, no. Cali still has the additional 10% income tax in place and companies are fleeing the regs like rats on a sinking ship. Dr.P has it made because he can support himself if it goes to shit.
 
$45 an hour?! Waitresses around hear don't clear half that. My gosh with these stories and stories of teachers all raking in six figures+ I wonder if Dr. Pizza and I picked the wrong area to live in. 😱

Where do you live? I bet there are some servers making that. Some people make money by volume and some people make money through specific customers aka regulars.
 
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