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ponyo

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Fuck it. ODIN'ing the latest froyo leak right now. Screw off Samsung. (Watch my phone brick now... :rolleyes:)

Don't worry about bricking your phone. Galaxy S phones are pretty much impossible to brick. You can easily recover from a bad or failed flash. I get failed flash using Odin like 30% of the time. No big deal. Just reset the phone back into download mode and try again.

Be sure to add Voodoo to your KA5 rom. Voodoo should be standard on all galaxy s phones.
 

Pliablemoose

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When Samsung came out with the Galaxy series of phones, I paid attention to how they treated their previous phones, and was just waiting for them to pull this kind of crap.
 

freegeeks

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Moto's been pretty good with the updates on their high end phones. For their lower end phones, its been hit or miss. Gotta give credit when credit is due though. HTC seems to have the best track record for OS updates. Manufacturers should post the updates in an update.zip or something on their sites if the carriers don't want to do an OTA update. Carriers should use their leverage to get the manufacturers to produce updates in a timely fashion.

Or they could chunk the custom UIs that slow the process down and use Stock Android. :)

motorola sucks, the milestone (the GSM droid) is still not updated to 2.2 and that's motorola responsibility, no carries involved
 

Termie

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Verizon just released an update yesterday that fixes the GPS issue. I had to manually grab it using the "System updates" tab in the "About Phone" window.

I've had two Fascinates, neither of which had any GPS functionality. My second Fascinate locked on in 20 seconds after yesterday's update.
 

ponyo

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When Samsung came out with the Galaxy series of phones, I paid attention to how they treated their previous phones, and was just waiting for them to pull this kind of crap.

Even with all the problems, galaxy s phones are still the best Android phones out. Motorola seemed to have stepped up their game with their upcoming lineup. I'm sort of interested in LG. I haven't seen anything from HTC that makes me want to tradeup. HTC is great about supporting the open source community but their hardware just doesn't excite me. Hardware plays big part and Samsung still makes among the best cutting edge hardware. I'll probably drool at the galaxy s2 when it's revealed next month even while cursing at them. You can't escape Samsung and LG when the best screens are made by them and they're withholding the best for themselves. Samsung and LG probably supply like half of the components for the iPhone.
 
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ponyo

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Verizon just released an update yesterday that fixes the GPS issue. I had to manually grab it using the "System updates" tab in the "About Phone" window.

I've had two Fascinates, neither of which had any GPS functionality. My second Fascinate locked on in 20 seconds after yesterday's update.

Locking is only half of the equation. Maintaining the lock while moving is the real test.
 

sonoma1993

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Samsung did the same thing with the Samsung Behold II for tmobile, users were left stuck at android 1.6 update which was release last summer for the phone. While other users with comparable phones got upgrade to android 2.1 or 2.2
 

NYHoustonman

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And Accuracy. Who care if you lock in 3 seconds and keep a lock while moving if it shows you 8 miles away.

I've never had an issue with this phone's GPS once locked on; it just took a while to do so pre-update. This is fixed now... I get a lock to within a few meters in very quickly, even indoors.

Not trying to defend Samsung phone, as this is the second and likely last of their phones I'll own given this lack-of-updates BS, but the recent patch works as advertised. I'll be flashing a custom Froyo ROM as soon as they're 'ready.'
 

Shlong

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If that's the case why is the OTA update for the Epic 4g on Sprint not being released? One's CDMA and the other is GSM but if one update is done it should be ready for the other.
 

Demo24

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Verizon does seem to be a bit better at this, while ATT hasn't issued an update for any of it's android phones. I wish the Nexi were available on Verizon so updates would occur quicker. Would also be nice if android was written to better handle updates so we wouldn't have to wait on all these carriers to build entire roms again.
 

shabby

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Those are ROMs not official. People need to understand that they're entirely different.

Not to mention that gingerbread port is far from usable for daily use, i ran it for around 10 minutes then ditched it since half of the phone wasn't functional.
Im currently running 2.2.1 on my captivate and its much faster compared to 2.1
 

one30eight

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Those are ROMs not official. People need to understand that they're entirely different.

I do realize this but with how easy it is to flash a new ROM, anyone can do it. I understand that Samsung sucks for not updating the software, but the hardware is awesome. If you want ease of use out of the box then yeah, look elsewhere I guess.
 
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Bateluer

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I do realize this but with how easy it is to flash a new ROM, anyone can do it. I understand that Samsung sucks for not updating the software, but the hardware is awesome. If you want ease of use out of the box then yeah, look elsewhere I guess.

Most people don't flash custom builds, or even root their phones. Half the people I work with, in an IT department, have Android phones, and I'm the only one who roots. The Android users know what it is and what it means, but don't because of a fear of their warranty. The other half of people, the iPhone users, I get a deer in the headlights look when I ask if they've jail broken.

And aside from the screen, Samsung hardware isn't that great. The Hummingbird CPU has been pretty much equaled by Qualcomm's latest Snapdragons. Its SGX540 gets beaten by Snapdragon's Adreno 205 CPU too. Combine this with the cheap, fisher price plastic bodies of the Samsung phones, and I'd put their hardware near the bottom of the pack now. Even the AMOLED screen tech is at least equaled by SLCD, and others will be making AMOLED displays this year too.
 

Puddle Jumper

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And aside from the screen, Samsung hardware isn't that great. The Hummingbird CPU has been pretty much equaled by Qualcomm's latest Snapdragons. Its SGX540 gets beaten by Snapdragon's Adreno 205 CPU too. Combine this with the cheap, fisher price plastic bodies of the Samsung phones, and I'd put their hardware near the bottom of the pack now. Even the AMOLED screen tech is at least equaled by SLCD, and others will be making AMOLED displays this year too.

Actually the SGX540 stomps everything short of Tegra 2.

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Also saying SLCD is as good as Super AMOLED is equivalent to saying a LCD HDTV is a good as a Pioneer Kuro, it couldn't be farther from the truth. S-AMOLED offer better contrast than you will ever get from a LCD display under any circumstances.
 

notposting

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Actually the SGX540 stomps everything short of Tegra2. *snip*

Started rewatching Atlantis yesterday.

Ford: Gateship 1, ready to go.
Sheppard: Gateship 1? A little puddle jumper like this?
Ford: It's a ship, it goes through the 'gate. Gateship 1.
Sheppard: No, no, no, that's all wrong.
Ford: Dr. McKay thought it was cool.
Sheppard: Oh, okay. Well, it's official. You don't get to name anything. Ever. Flight, this is Puddle Jumper. We're go to launch.
McKay: This is Flight. I thought we were going with Gateship?
Sheppard: Negative, Flight.
McKay: Standby. It's a ship that goes through the 'gate... and... Fine. Puddle Jumper, you are clear for launch.
 

ew915

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Actually the SGX540 stomps everything short of Tegra 2.

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Also saying SLCD is as good as Super AMOLED is equivalent to saying a LCD HDTV is a good as a Pioneer Kuro, it couldn't be farther from the truth. S-AMOLED offer better contrast than you will ever get from a LCD display under any circumstances.

You forgot to mention that text sucks on pentile screens, it is not as sharp and it can be very disturbing if reading long emails.
 

SunnyD

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Extremely pleased with the leaked 2.2 KA2 build from last week. At least I can watch Star Trek Enterprice on cbs.com now with flash support. Battery life seems good, everything is responsive, and I even had a GPS lock in my pocket. GPS location seemed to lock on in about 30 seconds or so.
 

shabby

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913045

Hello,

I’m going to step across the NDAs and explain the issues behind the Android Froyo update to Samsung Galaxy S phones in the United States. I think most of you have come to this realization yourself now: the withholding of the Froyo update is a largely political one, not a technological one: Froyo runs quite well on Galaxy S phones, as those of you that have run leaked updates may have noticed.

To explain the political situation, first, a primer on how phone firmware upgrades work for carriers. When a carrier decides to sell a phone, a contract is usually written between the phone manufacturer and the carrier. In this contract, the cost of updates (to the carrier) is usually outlined. Updates are usually broken into several types: critical updates, maintenance updates, and feature updates. Critical updates are those that resolve a critical bug in the phone, such as the phone overheating. Maintenance updates involve routine updates to resolve bugs and other issues reported by the carrier. Finally, feature updates add some new feature in software that wasn’t present before. Critical updates are usually free, maintenance updates have some maintenance fee associated with them, and feature updates are usually costly.
In the past, most phone updates would mainly consist of critical and maintenance updates. Carriers almost never want to incur the cost of a feature update because it is of little benefit to them, adds little to the device, and involves a lot of testing on the carrier end. Android has changed the playing field, however – since the Android Open Source Project is constantly being updated, and that information being made widely available to the public, there is pressure for the phone to be constantly updated with the latest version of Android. With most manufacturers, such as HTC, Motorola, etc. This is fine and considered a maintenance upgrade. Samsung, however, considers it a feature update, and requires carriers to pay a per device update fee for each incremental Android update.

Now, here’s where the politics come in: most U.S. carriers aren’t very happy with Samsung’s decision to charge for Android updates as feature updates, especially since they are essentially charging for the Android Open Source Project’s efforts, and the effort on Samsung’s end is rather minimal. As a result of perhaps, corporate collusion, all U.S. carriers have decided to refuse to pay for the Android 2.2 update, in hopes that the devaluation of the Galaxy S line will cause Samsung to drop their fees and give the update to the carriers. The situation has panned out differently in other parts of the world, but this is the situation in the United States.

Some of you might have noticed Verion’s Fascinate updated, but without 2.2 : This is a result of a maintenance agreement Samsung must honor combined with Verizon’s unwillingness to pay the update fees.
In short, Android 2.2 is on hold for Galaxy S phones until the U.S. carriers and Samsung reach a consensus.

Some might wonder why I didn’t deliver this over a more legitimate news channel – the short answer: I don’t want to lose my job. I do, however, appreciate transparency, which is why I'm here.

Sounds plausible, no?
 

Bateluer

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Actually the SGX540 stomps everything short of Tegra 2.

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Posting one benchmark is such an accurate picture. ;)

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Not saying the Hummingbird/SGX540 are bad by any means, they are clearly near the top of the pack. But to say the Adreno 205 is a slouch isn't accurate either.
 

Oyeve

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Ok, I am ready to root my vibrant and put in a 2.2 rom on it.

What is the latest stable 2.2 rom? Best/easiest way to get it on my Vibrant? How to keep the 400 apps I have?

:)