WelshBloke
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Red Storm
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Yes and so? OMAP and Snapdragon are far more developer friendly. All those changes made to fix the memleak and hwcomposer on the i9300 cannot be used on the i9100.
The amount of work the devs have to go through to find the Exynos 4412 and 4414 are totally different beasts is kinda ridiculous.
How many people here actually know Codeworkx or Entropy or Espen that the guy mentioned? They're probably the most important contributers for the i9100 and i9300.
Here is a quote from Entropy:
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/27/samsung-aims-to-become-key-player-in-content-distribution/
They might at some point in the future.
I wouldnt be surprised if they did. Its ironic that a lot of the people who dislike Apple also defend Samsung when they are pretty similar companies
S-beam only works with S-beam, not with Android beam wich is the open standard. S2 owners who upgraded to S3 suddenly found that their old MHL adapter didnt work on the S3, Samsung sold a new version of it for the S3
Yes. It does piss me off with proprietary crap like S-Beam. That's why I flash CyanogenMod when I can. AOSP FTW.
WelshBloke
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TBH Android beam is just as useless as S beam, theres much easier ways to share files or data that dont need the phones to be next to ech other.
Cyanogen is OK if your phone isnt getting supported any more but usually by the time the glaring bugs are worked out theres usually a better manufacturer ROM that you can strip down and mod.
Zaap
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What is there to get pissed off about?
Just screwing around with my SGS3 and a friend's HTC Evo 4G I was able to beam files just fine. When NFC is enabled, so is Android Beam. S Beam just seems to be added fluff.
And really, I've used Android Beam once, and S-Beam once with another SGS3 owner, both times just screwing around in "gee, look at this" mode. It's unlikely I'll ever use it again- as said, there's other better ways to do the same thing that don't involve the silliness of tapping devices together.
Samsung Electronics spends 8.3% on R&D. Apple only spends 2.8% on R&D. http://gigaom.com/apple/how-apple-gets-away-with-lower-rd-spending/
WelshBloke
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Samsung is much more diverse than Apple though so they are going to need to spend more. Some of their stuff is more technical as well which would be more expensive.
I was surprised HTC was so far up the list but I guess in absolute amounts they spend a lot less than Apple.
gorcorps
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Amazon just one day decided to introduce their app store and it took off. All Samsung had to do was do the same exact thing, but they didn't. I'm not praising Samsung for it, I'm just saying I don't think Android would be as popular as it is now if Samsung wasn't part of it. There was a pretty big lull between high end/popular HTC and Motorolla phones that Samsung filled.
That video is hilariously uninformed. Samsung locked one device because Verizon required it and he acts like they instantly became developer unfriendly because of it. Never mind the fact that HTC has locked down multiples devices on Verizon and even the One X on At&t despite the fact that At&t normally doesn't have devices with locked bootloaders. And then there is Motorola which takes things to an extreme by locking everything they sell down, even wifi only tablets.
As far as Exynos being bad for development consider the fact that Samsung is the only one that uses it so naturally we are stuck waiting on them. The only reason HTC has done better in the past is they rehashed the same device so many times that as soon as one variant got a working build it was all but effortless to port it to all of the others. That said I don't care if Exynos has worse support, I will keep buying devices based on it because it's that much better than the alternatives.
As far as Exynos being bad for development consider the fact that Samsung is the only one that uses it so naturally we are stuck waiting on them. The only reason HTC has done better in the past is they rehashed the same device so many times that as soon as one variant got a working build it was all but effortless to port it to all of the others. That said I don't care if Exynos has worse support, I will keep buying devices based on it because it's that much better than the alternatives.
ilkhan
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GNexus isn't very Samsung-ish.
And as soon as the next gen Nexii come out you'll be amazed at how quickly the big-name devs jump ship.
Meet the new boss...Same as the old boss.
Is Samsung the only Android manufacturer fighting Apple?
Why not buy an HTC or a Motorola phone instead?
What the hell are you on about?
Samsung has their own Apps store called "Samsung Apps" on their phones.
Have you even ever owned a Samsung phone(Nexus doesn't count) before?
In addition to their own market called "Samsung Apps", they also have Music Hub, Media Hub, Game Hub, and Readers Hub installed on all their phones.
You can purchase/stream music through their Music Hub if you like.
You can purchase/rent movies and TV shows through their Media Hub if you like.
You can purchase Android games through their Game Hub if you like.
You can purchase books, newspapers, magazines, and comics through their Readers Hub if you like.
My guess is that you've never used a Samsung Galaxy device before or the one you experienced had those bloatware apps removed.
If you seriously think Samsung doesn't already provide these services in their app stores, all I can tell you is "wake up".
Actually, if you'd consider it, 2.8% of... $600B is really... a hell of a lot of money.
I'm not sure Samsung's 8.3% holds up when their on-hand cash is literally 1/10 that of Apple. 8.3% of Samsung is more like 0.2% of Apple in this context.
But Nokia and Microsoft deserve a standing ovation in that chart. They have a lot of cash, but they still dedicate a sizable amount to R&D.
Actually, G-Nex is very Samsung-ish...
And it's an excellent phone inside out (except for the camera).
While I agree that big-name devs tend to jump around a lot, it's actually quite a concern when CyanogenMod, infamous for their legacy support for a broad range of devices, is considering dropping support for Samsung devices.
IMO, Android (and iOS, and RIM, and any other mobile OS, really) more or less depends on devs for its success. I have noticed that devices with less dev support eventually gets drowned out in the market as those with dev support thrive.
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cmdrdredd
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Cause their phones have ALWAYS sucked when I had them. Motorola locks too much crap, and every HTC device I've ever owned has been garbage. Their UI is terrible.
Plus I'm on Verizon since every other carrier is hit or miss on data speeds here.
Samsung is not the same as Apple...not even damn close. Android would not be anywhere near as popular without Samsung releasing the Galaxy line. That is a hard fact. Samsung had the money and resources to make a good advertising campaign that actually gave you compelling reasons to have their device. Remember Motorola and HTC commercials? I don't know anyone who wanted their device from those ads but everyone I know sees a Samsung commercial and says "wow that sounds like a cool feature".
1) Samsung only locked the Verizon Gs3 cause Verizon made them and there is a one click root and bootloader unlock.
2) They don't lock you to proprietary app store.
3) No STunes software locking you down on your PC (iphone + itunes comparison)
4) They have SD card slots and removeable battery. HTC Onex devices don't have that
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Uh... no.
Other manufacturers helped propel Android forward, too. The HTC G1 and Motorola Droid in particular.
And this generation, we have HTC One X and Droid RAZR Maxx...
And that's to say nothing of Sony Ericsson Xperia Play, Xperia Mini, and other niche products that Sony made.
Plus Meizu, ASUS, etc... as well. Samsung wasn't chosen as Android's OEM until after HTC dropped the balls, but the role of Nexus OEM may pass on to ASUS soon.
Point is... Samsung was great, but they weren't the only game in town. Android is where it is today thanks to all other manufacturers, too.
In terms of sales Samsung is absolutely responsible for making Android a success. Sony's lineup and even the HTC One Series haven't been that big of sellers while the Galaxy S and Galaxy Note series have both been huge successes.
Amazons app store took off because they already had a massive existing ecosystem to tie you into. Samsung doesnt have that wich makes it infinitely harder to copy Amazons success
And again Samsung has done nothing to promote Android, they dont even mention Android or show off any stock Android features in their commercials. They made Samsung popular, not Android. Go to a local phone store and ask a Samsung owner what OS their phone runs, they wont have a clue what you are talking about. At best they will say Galaxy or Touchwiz
Samsung doesnt give a fuck about Android. Thats why they dont help improve it by adding any new features they have made themselves into the AOSP tree. They would fork it if they could or move onto something better
Samsung uses proprietary usb cables in some of their tablets, they promote proprietary apps that only work with their own devices and they have no problems making users buy new MHL cables if they upgrade their phones
Like i said.. They do make excellent hardware and their phones are good. But they are no different than Apple, and any difference you do see is because of Google, not Samsung
ilkhan
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The S2 build on the success of the EVO4G which built on the success of the Droid1 which built off of the G1, at least in the US. Samsung didn't it on their own, and its not just this generation which matters.
Uh... no.
I think it's more proper to say in terms of sales, Samsung holds the lead over other OEMs for this generation.
But part of that success, as said, is attributed to learning and leaning on other OEMs' failures from early versions of Android. And the other is attributed to "stealing" technology from Apple. The first Galaxy S lineup clearly stole Apple's A4 CPU core.
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