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QueBert said:
.5 of people experience calls dropped, while there is a flaw, it's nothing that people are making it out to be. A .5% failure rate on any other product would go un noticed. I have 4 friends with iPhone 4's, not a single one has had a single dropped call. 2 of them bitched because they could look at the phone and see the bars drop. If they were blind they wouldn't notice shit. .5% does not = the problem everyone is ragging on about.
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.5% contacted apple about receptions issues. Contacting apple |= experienced problem.
 
Bateluer said:
Most of those people would also have bought the iPhone regardless of any flaw or limitation. Its an Apple product, after all, reality doesn't matter so long as it has style and that Apple logo. Most of the individuals who buy iPhones seem perfectly willing to ignore its flaws and problems. Its perfectly fine for them to do so, its their money. Its most of these people claiming that iPhone is the greatest device in the world, even with these well documented problems, that irritate me.

I'm not a fAndroid, but that blatant denial of reality irritates me.
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Thats your perception, doesn't make it fact. All the iPhone owners I know are simply iPhone fans, not Apple fans. I don't own a single other Apple device - nor will I - at least any of their computers which are simply overpriced ASUS laptops.

And that goes for every iPhone owner I know - its the only Apple device they own. iPhone was so far ahead of its time, even people who hated Apple felt like they wanted to give Jobs money. Granted, its not quite as far ahead anymore, but for a lot of us who've been using the iPhone, the UI among other things on the new phone still make it superior to everything else on the market. And it doesn't cost anymore then the other smartphones on the market, which appeals to a lot of people who would normally dismiss Apple products that are priced so much more then the competition.
 
preslove said:
So, you've been reduced to "I know you are, what am I?" Great. Troll.
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Nobody cares what you have to say about the iPhone because you don't own one. That makes you the troll.

Out of all the iPhone owners on this forum, all of them sans NFS4 say this is basically a non issue. Just like it is a non issue on every other phone that has the same issue.
 
AMDZen said:
And that goes for every iPhone owner I know - its the only Apple device they own. iPhone was so far ahead of its time, even people who hated Apple felt like they wanted to give Jobs money.
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Credit given when credit is due. Apple changed the smart phone landscape with the original iPhone. However, since then, the competition has released comparable devices across a range of price points, screen sizes, keyboard options, hardware specs to suit nearly every possible configuration that people could want. Hopefully, this revolution will continue to reduce the carriers to dumb pipes for content and not the providers of content. Part of the reason why I feel custom roms are so important, but that's another discussion.
 
Bateluer said:
Credit given when credit is due. Apple changed the smart phone landscape with the original iPhone. However, since then, the competition has released comparable devices across a range of price points, screen sizes, keyboard options, hardware specs to suit nearly every possible configuration that people could want. Hopefully, this revolution will continue to reduce the carriers to dumb pipes for content and not the providers of content. Part of the reason why I feel custom roms are so important, but that's another discussion.
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And credit to you too. I agree that at this point, the iPhone is more of an opinion, Droid X and EVO 4G are clear competetors. Maybe Android would have existed without the iPhone, but I don't think it would have come so far without it. Android can only get better, and even for the diehards, sooner or later a lot of iPhone users will be Droid users instead.

Of course the ROMs argument might be null and void, eFuse will set the precedent I think. At least for Motorola going forward. Who knows if others will follow suit, no matter who you are you have to love competition and hope both iOS and Droid continue to get better and better forcing the other to do the same.
 
AMDZen said:
Of course the ROMs argument might be null and void, eFuse will set the precedent I think. At least for Motorola going forward. Who knows if others will follow suit, no matter who you are you have to love competition and hope both iOS and Droid continue to get better and better forcing the other to do the same.
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Competition is definitely good. Android wouldn't have progressed beyond those early Blackberry Curve-like prototypes without Apple and the original iPhone. As much as I dislike Jobs, he is one of the few people in the business world who doesn't budge. He's stood up to various carriers, the RIAA, etc, for years. Others bow to these pressures, to the detriment of the consumer. However, Job's behavior is also insulting to the consumer, by telling them what they need rather than letting them decide for themselves.
 
iPhone has real design flaw of having two antennas that user can short with his finger.
That is not the same as attenuation caused by antenna being obstructed by hand. And until Apple understands that, I don't see how they can fix it.
 
senseamp said:
iPhone has real design flaw of having two antennas that user can short with his finger.
That is not the same as attenuation caused by antenna being obstructed by hand. And until Apple understands that, I don't see how they can fix it.
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It will probably get fixed in the summer of 2011, with the iPhone 5. 😛
 
I'm not going to lock it - it's not slander (can you slander a mobile phone?) but keep it civil, AMDZen and Preslove.
 
This thread is almost as embarrassing as Steve's news conference on Friday.
 
It seems like most people *have* moved on, except for the Apple fanboys who are trying to frame the whole issue as a smear campaign against their beloved brand...

Look, if you start a thread, you will get people posting who both agree and disagree with your point. Calling people who disagree with you "trolls" just makes you seem less credible to begin with. If you only want to talk to people who agree with you, maybe try posting on Gizmodo instead. 🙂

As JD50 said - It's a pretty obvious design flaw. Apple is not perfect, now you know. Time to move on.
 
Seriously, this Ap-ple-ologism is getting lame. Body parts attenuating signal that goes through them is simple physics, body parts shorting two exposed antennas together is a design flaw.
 
Give it up AMDZen. Your constant trolling is giving Coloradans everywhere a bad name. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I love my iphone, and nothing will change that, but I naturally hold my phone in such a way that's enough to bridge the antenna and cause issues. I don't care if you do or don't, just accept the fact that not everybody hold their phone the same and it's in a poor position for some. It shouldn't be anywhere near the sides, okay? That was a design flaw, pure and simple. Lucky for me, I never use my phones without a case so I'll never be bothered by it.
 
senseamp said:
Seriously, this Ap-ple-ologism is getting lame. Body parts attenuating signal that goes through them is simple physics, body parts shorting two exposed antennas together is a design flaw.
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There is a flaw, but it effects nobody I know. Effecting would be dropping calls, not the pixelized representation of your signal changing. Who cares how much the signal's cut if the call doesn't drop? If AT&T had a better network NOBODY would be experiencing dropped calls here. And as it stands slightly over a 1/2 a percent are complaining to APPLE/AT&T that they're getting dropped calls. Owners aren't complaining because the overwhelming majority aren't having any issue here. Somebody wake me up with a meaningful % of iPhone owners are actually having problems.
 
QueBert said:
There is a flaw, but it effects nobody I know. Effecting would be dropping calls, not the pixelized representation of your signal changing. Who cares how much the signal's cut if the call doesn't drop? If AT&T had a better network NOBODY would be experiencing dropped calls here. And as it stands slightly over a 1/2 a percent are complaining to APPLE/AT&T that they're getting dropped calls. Owners aren't complaining because the overwhelming majority aren't having any issue here. Somebody wake me up with a meaningful % of iPhone owners are actually having problems.
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Well, at least you admit there is a flaw, that is progress.
 
preslove said:
.5% contacted apple about receptions issues. Contacting apple |= experienced problem.
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So, according to your well documented and peer reviewed research, what % of the iphone 4 users actually experienced the problem?

EDIT: Experienced the problem enough to actually do something about it.
 
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Bateluer said:
Credit given when credit is due. Apple changed the smart phone landscape with the original iPhone. However, since then, the competition has released comparable devices across a range of price points, screen sizes, keyboard options, hardware specs to suit nearly every possible configuration that people could want. Hopefully, this revolution will continue to reduce the carriers to dumb pipes for content and not the providers of content. Part of the reason why I feel custom roms are so important, but that's another discussion.
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No mainstream user of ANY cell phone gives 2 shits about a custom rom. You are in a very very very small minority.
 
I know all you fandroids will love this gem: I had my first dropped call today! It was between me and another iPhone 4 user, so I dont know which phone actually dropped the call. But it did finally happen. Took about 24 days for me to get my first dropped call.

Hopefully this gives all you non iphone 4 users (which is pretty much every single hater here) a REAL look at how often calls actually get dropped
 
You guys need to stop, you don't need to own an iPhone to know the problem first hand. Since it's so popular, everyone knows someone that has one. My brother experiences the problem easily in his house and has happened to him during calls cus his reception isn't the best at his house and as we know, if you don't get good reception, the death-grip kills the reception easily. Then I have some other friends where this happens very rarely to them. You don't need to own it to see the problem first hand.
 
cheezy321 said:
No mainstream user of ANY cell phone gives 2 shits about a custom rom. You are in a very very very small minority.
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I realize that, but I also think we're a much larger community than you might think, and definitely a vocal one. And you're overlooking something. When the average, mainstream, person, wants to buy a smart phone, they generally do some research first. Often, this can include asking friends and family who are very familiar with the various products available, who probably do run custom roms and would likely recommend such a product.
 
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