Samsung to demo 10.1", 2560x1600 display for tablets

[makken]

http://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...Nouvoyance-Demonstrate-10.1-inch-300dpi-WQXGA

mind:blown. I guess the predictions of a retina iPad 3 are coming true.

A few things seem odd though.

It mentions that it is an LCD with a RGBW pentile subpixel arrangement. Though I'm sure that's possible, part of me suspects that its actually an OLED, given that OLEDs are the only displays we've seen pentile arrangements on. In addition, samsung really loves their OLEDs (see Galaxy S lineup)

Another question I have is are current tablet GPUs even powerful enough to make use of something this high res? Hell, most mainstream desktop GPUs struggle with anything graphically intensive at this res, I can imagine doing anything 3d on this with tablet hardware.

 

[Illyan]

I could see them (tablet makers) going to 1080p relatively soon, but 2560x1600 is just crazy (awesome). I would be surprised to see this on anything in the next few years. Still, do want.

 

[ponyo]

Moto Atrix uses pentile LCD. Pentile is cheaper and uses less power. Downside is blurry text. So pentile is not exclusive to OLED.

Samsung loves their OLED because they produce like 90%+ of the world supply. Plus it's superior tech to LCD.

I don't think Apple is going to get Samsung screen anytime soon on the iPhone or the iPad. Samsung is going to keep the very best for themselves first like the OLED and then let everyone have the leftover.

GPU, they'll figure out a way.

 

[ViRGE]

The aspect ratio makes it a bit of a stretch anyhow. Apple seems as pleased as punch with 4:3 displays, since it makes it easy to use the iPad in either orientation without shifting the center of mass too much..

 

[runawayprisoner]

At least this confirms that a 2048 x 1536 display for the iPad 3 is not too far-fetched.

Since the A5 processor can reasonably perform well at higher resolutions (up to 1920 x 1080), a bump in processing power to a quad-core CPU and GPU setup with 1GB of RAM might just pull this off nicely.

I'm not sure what this means for other devices, especially those running on OSes that don't fully or reasonably support GPU acceleration...

 

[BenSkywalker]

Though I'm sure that's possible, part of me suspects that its actually an OLED

A 10" OLED display is likely still well over $1K to produce. Don't get me wrong, I would *LOVE* to start seeing some larger sizes hitting consumer price points, but I don't think they are viable in the larger tablet market quite yet.

Another question I have is are current tablet GPUs even powerful enough to make use of something this high res?

Tegra3 will be shipping within the next few months, given its' power compared to the Tegra2 I'd say that GPUs will be up to the task easily for general use. For 3D tasks, the nice thing about 25x16 is that is scales perfectly down to 1280x800, so even if you wanted to use a lower end GPU there are still ways to make it viable using some tricks on the software side.

 

[cheez]

Isn't OLED still LCD technology??

I am sick of seeing LCD products. They've been around way too long. They have too many cons, such as poor viewing angles and motion handling as well as poor depth of contrast.

I would like to see companies utilizing plasma display technology on laptop screens and tablet devices. As of now, there is nothing that beats plasma tech in terms of PQ side of the aspect.


Thank you,

 

[Red Storm]

Isn't OLED still LCD technology??

I am sick of seeing LCD products. They've been around way too long. They have too many cons, such as poor viewing angles and motion handling as well as poor depth of contrast.

I would like to see companies utilizing plasma display technology on laptop screens and tablet devices. As of now, there is nothing that beats plasma tech in terms of PQ side of the aspect.


Thank you,

Poor viewing angles is only a real problem with TVs, where you can have a bunch of people sitting around one. How often are you going to look at your cellphone or tablet at an odd angle for extended periods of time? For me, never...

Plus, battery life is important.

 

[ponyo]

Isn't OLED still LCD technology??

I am sick of seeing LCD products. They've been around way too long. They have too many cons, such as poor viewing angles and motion handling as well as poor depth of contrast.

I would like to see companies utilizing plasma display technology on laptop screens and tablet devices. As of now, there is nothing that beats plasma tech in terms of PQ side of the aspect.


Thank you,

What you're seeking is Samsung's Super Amoled Plus. http://www.oled-display.net/what-is-super-amoled-plus. But it's only available on Samsung phones at the moment due to price, size, and technology limitations. I call it mini plasma because it's like having plasma display on your phone. It suffers from similar problems of earlier plasmas like burn-in and short display life. But the picture quality is simply unmatched. That's why I'm such a huge fan of S-AMOLED. Once you go S-AMOLED, it's hard to go back to regular LCD.

 

[cheez]

Poor viewing angles is only a real problem with TVs, where you can have a bunch of people sitting around one. How often are you going to look at your cellphone or tablet at an odd angle for extended periods of time? For me, never...

Well, I can see slight degrade in PQ when moving off center just by 15 or 20 degree angle. To maintain best PQ I have to listerally hold the screen dead center. I want to be "free" from this restriction, or better word "limitation". My iPod Touch 4G is horrible in this regard. So is my Sony laptop screen.

Plus, battery life is important.

That is the only thing, the power consumption. I really personally do not mind at all how much juice it draws, as long as it does best in PQ. For general consumer standpoint, probably not...

What you're seeking is Samsung's Super Amoled Plus. http://www.oled-display.net/what-is-super-amoled-plus. But it's only available on Samsung phones at the moment due to price, size, and technology limitations. I call it mini plasma because it's like having plasma display on your phone. It suffers from similar problems of earlier plasmas like burn-in and short display life. But the picture quality is simply unmatched. That's why I'm such a huge fan of S-AMOLED. Once you go S-AMOLED, it's hard to go back to regular LCD.

Sounds tempting. I will need to check this out in person. Would love to have mini plasma-like display on mobile devices.


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[YoungGun21]

What you're seeking is Samsung's Super Amoled Plus. http://www.oled-display.net/what-is-super-amoled-plus. But it's only available on Samsung phones at the moment due to price, size, and technology limitations. I call it mini plasma because it's like having plasma display on your phone. It suffers from similar problems of earlier plasmas like burn-in and short display life. But the picture quality is simply unmatched. That's why I'm such a huge fan of S-AMOLED. Once you go S-AMOLED, it's hard to go back to regular LCD.

Agreed. I don't think I'll ever go back to LCD screens.

 

[theeedude]

2560x1600 is 4x 1280x800, not 4x 1024x768, so think Android, not iPad.

 

[TheStu]

Well, I can see slight degrade in PQ when moving off center just by 15 or 20 degree angle. To maintain best PQ I have to listerally hold the screen dead center. I want to be "free" from this restriction, or better word "limitation". My iPod Touch 4G is horrible in this regard. So is my Sony laptop screen.

The iPod Touch is using a TN panel, the iPad and iPhone 4 are both using IPS displays. Look at the viewing angles on those (which are both quite good).

2560x1600 is 4x 1280x800, not 4x 1024x768, so think Android, not iPad.

Right, but if they can make a panel at that pixel density, do you really think that Apple, with their mountain of cash, couldn't secure a few dozen million 9.7" 2048*1536 panels?

It all depends on how much the panels cost to make, I mean Toshiba (IIRC) showed off a fully transparent OLED laptop display a year or two ago, but that doesn't mean that they are actually putting those into systems. But Apple can afford to get them if they want, and can afford to secure as many as they need to make them prohibitively expensive for anyone else, at least temporarily.

 

[Bateluer]

With Apple suing Samsung for infringement, would Samsung even be willing to sell them these displays? Samsung can easily manufacture phones, tablets, laptops, and desktop monitors that use this display. Why would they need Apple?

 

[theeedude]

The iPod Touch is using a TN panel, the iPad and iPhone 4 are both using IPS displays. Look at the viewing angles on those (which are both quite good).



Right, but if they can make a panel at that pixel density, do you really think that Apple, with their mountain of cash, couldn't secure a few dozen million 9.7" 2048*1536 panels?

It all depends on how much the panels cost to make, I mean Toshiba (IIRC) showed off a fully transparent OLED laptop display a year or two ago, but that doesn't mean that they are actually putting those into systems. But Apple can afford to get them if they want, and can afford to secure as many as they need to make them prohibitively expensive for anyone else, at least temporarily.

Samsung is going to fill their own tablet needs first and foremost, which is what they are doing with OLED screens for phones. Apple will have to get in line, or maybe get some bleeding edge LG screens

 

[s44]

You know, 1080p would be "enough".

 

[Mopetar]

Samsung is going to fill their own tablet needs first and foremost, which is what they are doing with OLED screens for phones. Apple will have to get in line, or maybe get some bleeding edge LG screens

A lot of people speculated that Apple dumped a lot of investment money into other display manufacturers, so it's possible that they may have their own sources lined up.

Anything that Apple might do other manufacturers are more than capable of emulating. I think it usually comes down to whether or not the other manufacturers are able to do it at a reasonable cost or secure enough parts to keep the supply line moving. When Apple pays hundreds of millions up front, they probably get a much better deal and buy up as much production capacity as they want.

That probably works out in Samsung's favor as well as if Apple is buying up the rest of the world's supply, Samsung will be the only manufacturer that can sell Android tablets with similar high resolutions.

 

[theeedude]

Apple is not going to get a better price on Samsung parts than Samsung.

 

[makken]

Moto Atrix uses pentile LCD.

Ah, did not know that; do you know if its an TN or IPS panel?

 

[Mopetar]

Apple is not going to get a better price on Samsung parts than Samsung.

No, but they might get a better price from Toshiba, Sharp, and LG.

Also, how integrated are the divisions at Samsung. If the component manufacturing devision isn't all that connected with the handset devision, it's conceivable that they would sell to Apple, assuming that Apple wanted to buy displays from them. Apple bought $5.7 billion worth of components from Samsung last year, so they obviously don't have a problem selling things to Apple.

However, I don't think Apple will buy displays from Samsung, as Samsung is building LED displays and Apple has been using IPS LCD displays for their product lines. Unless other manufacturers were to also start producing LED displays, I can't see Apple using different types of displays in the iPad and there's no way that Samsung could produce enough displays by themselves to meet the demand from Apple.

 

[ponyo]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/18/samsung-and-nouvoyance-show-off-power-sipping-pixel-packed-pent/

This 10.1" 2560x1600 in action. The viewing angle looks great and the text looks good too. Devices using this screen is supposed to drop late this year or early 2012. I'm betting the Samsung Galaxy Tab next year will have this screen. Apple better bring their A game with iPad3 and comparable screen.