Samsung to create 5ms LCDs?!?!

[Cookie Monster]

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KOREAN CHAEBOL Samsung said it will intro a 32-inch LCD panel next week which doesn't need a colour filter.
And this means higher quality LCD panels at a lower cost, the company said.

The LCD panel uses a sequential processing method that can display accurate colour tones and pixels are not spatially arranged throughout, meaning a filter isn't needed.

Samsung said ordinary LCDs need a cold cathode fluorescent backlight and a filter to separate the white light from the backlight into RGB sub pixels.

The breakthrough, Samsung reckons, won't only mean better pictures, but also consumes 82 watts, 60 per cent of the power an average backlight consumes. It will also mean response times of 5ms or faster, Samsung claimed.

 

[n7]

:shocked:

I'll buy one when they are less than 1K

 

[fierydemise]

Viewsonic released its 4ms LCD earlier this year but it had some issues, for some reason I think this may be the same

 

[Cookie Monster]

Samsung has a better color quality than Viewsonic.
Samsung products are just better in quality in my experience. Such as the 213T, 193P, 172X, 193P plus (8ms ) and etc etc. They create one of the best LCDs up to date.

 

[5150Joker]

Won't matter since SED displays are due to come out by next year sometime.

 

[kmmatney]

I didn't see anything about this at the Samsung web site. Not mentioned in any press release. Sounds good, though.

 

[klah]

Is that marketing speak for faster black/white response only? I'll wait until they publish a response time graph for the entire spectrum.


here's the press release: http://home.businesswire.com/portal/sit...view&newsId=20051011006272&newsLang=en

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Viewsonic released its 4ms LCD earlier this year but it had some issues, for some reason I think this may be the same

Samsung also already has a 4ms panel as well (the BF series, 930BF, 730BF), but like the Viewsonics, those use 'overdrive' technology, which is a bit of a cheat, causes some shimmering effects, etc.

This looks to be a real-deal 5ms or better panel, which is only a good thing .

 

[Mojoed]

I'd MUCH rather have a 12ms 8-bit panel LCD over a 6-bit panels rated at 5-8ms.

My guess is these panels will be 6-bit, I hope I'm wrong!

 

[lifeguard1999]

It is simply a press release. Until the panel is actually tested by a review site (and is for sale), then it is nothing more than a press release.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

CRTs FTW! *runs*

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999
It is simply a press release. Until the panel is actually tested by a review site (and is for sale), then it is nothing more than a press release.

It is, but than again its good news for us that the LCD industry will be heading toward this direction and that in the near future we will be using 5ms LCD

 

[gtx4u]

only 1366X768 and 32-inch aww come on make 1080p

 

[gtx4u]

4 letters OLED

 

[Yilar]

I've recently purchased the Samsung 930BF, 19", 4MS.. There's no shimmering/ghosting or any other weird side effect so far.. All the games look razor shape, colours are fantastic.. And it's 4Ms already..

http://shopping.yahoo.com.au/b/a/ps_14509811/114401.html

 

[forumpass]

Ya, Yilar. I have a BenQ 8ms and even it kicks major ass. CRT users need to crawl out of their cave.

My 8ms has a SLIGHT slur to the motion... which can be detected under specific examination, but in-game when you are playing... forget about it. You won't notice a thing. Acer has a 6ms LCD, Samsung has their 930 4ms lineup.. and a even newer 4ms panel coming out soon (along with BenQ).

Ahh.. long live the lan parties now that you can carry your ENTIRE load in one trip from the car.... computer in one hand (with straps), your LCD monitor in the other hand (in box with handle), and all your other crap in your back pack.

Next up: cost effective small form factor cases and awesome wireless mouse/keyboard.

 

[gtx4u]

Originally posted by: forumpass
Ya, Yilar. I have a BenQ 8ms and even it kicks major ass. CRT users need to crawl out of their cave.

My 8ms has a SLIGHT slur to the motion... which can be detected under specific examination, but in-game when you are playing... forget about it. You won't notice a thing. Acer has a 6ms LCD, Samsung has their 930 4ms lineup.. and a even newer 4ms panel coming out soon (along with BenQ).

Ahh.. long live the lan parties now that you can carry your ENTIRE load in one trip from the car.... computer in one hand (with straps), your LCD monitor in the other hand (in box with handle), and all your other crap in your back pack.

Next up: cost effective small form factor cases and awesome wireless mouse/keyboard.

Yeah except that CRT users don't feel like paying 400 dollars for a small ass 17 inch LCD with a limited resolution of only 1280x1024, my 21" FD trinitron does 2000x1500 on 2x AA and 16x AF with 0ms cause iz a CRT.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Mojoed
I'd MUCH rather have a 12ms 8-bit panel LCD over a 6-bit panels rated at 5-8ms.

My guess is these panels will be 6-bit, I hope I'm wrong!

I'd much rather have a 6-bit 5ms. panel because you can barely notice the difference between decent 6-bit dithering and 8-bit. It's TN and MVA panels that really matter here. Besides, the LED backlight on this will drastically improve saturation of any LCD today. 110% is damn good. Most are 75% today.

Originally posted by: gtx4u
4 letters OLED

5 words: won't be out for years (or decades).

Originally posted by: gtx4u
Yeah except that CRT users don't feel like paying 400 dollars for a small ass 17 inch LCD with a limited resolution of only 1280x1024, my 21" FD trinitron does 2000x1500 on 2x AA and 16x AF with 0ms cause iz a CRT.

Not 0ms. AA and AF have nothing to do with it either. There are decent 17" LCDs way cheaper than $400.

 

[xtknight]

More info here: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20051013A6027.html

 

[gtx4u]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Mojoed
I'd MUCH rather have a 12ms 8-bit panel LCD over a 6-bit panels rated at 5-8ms.

My guess is these panels will be 6-bit, I hope I'm wrong!

I'd much rather have a 6-bit 5ms. panel because you can barely notice the difference between decent 6-bit dithering and 8-bit. It's TN and MVA panels that really matter here. Besides, the LED backlight on this will drastically improve saturation of any LCD today. 110% is damn good. Most are 75% today.

Originally posted by: gtx4u
4 letters OLED

5 words: won't be out for years (or decades).

Originally posted by: gtx4u
Yeah except that CRT users don't feel like paying 400 dollars for a small ass 17 inch LCD with a limited resolution of only 1280x1024, my 21" FD trinitron does 2000x1500 on 2x AA and 16x AF with 0ms cause iz a CRT.

Not 0ms. AA and AF have nothing to do with it either. There are decent 17" LCDs way cheaper than $400.

How do u mean by decent? with a response time of lower than 6ms? and good contrast ratio? Don't forget human eyes can see above 6000:1 contrast ratio or higher, And at least 19 inch? Show me link.

I've seen the difference between LCD and CRT and all I can say is CRT is better for gaming/movies in terms of price/performance ratio, but only cons is that it cosumes bit more power and it's heavy, but hey what are friends's hands for, unless u don't have any friends....

 

[gtx4u]

BTW I own a 150 dollar G500 21" trinitron, it does have 0ms cause iz a CRT and it doesn't show any ghosting at all, cause thaz how they work and I'm sure a CRT's contrast ratio is better than an LCD anyday, not to mention the incredible resolution it can give off.

 

[gtx4u]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Mojoed
I'd MUCH rather have a 12ms 8-bit panel LCD over a 6-bit panels rated at 5-8ms.

My guess is these panels will be 6-bit, I hope I'm wrong!

I'd much rather have a 6-bit 5ms. panel because you can barely notice the difference between decent 6-bit dithering and 8-bit. It's TN and MVA panels that really matter here. Besides, the LED backlight on this will drastically improve saturation of any LCD today. 110% is damn good. Most are 75% today.

Originally posted by: gtx4u
4 letters OLED

5 words: won't be out for years (or decades).

Originally posted by: gtx4u
Yeah except that CRT users don't feel like paying 400 dollars for a small ass 17 inch LCD with a limited resolution of only 1280x1024, my 21" FD trinitron does 2000x1500 on 2x AA and 16x AF with 0ms cause iz a CRT.

Not 0ms. AA and AF have nothing to do with it either. There are decent 17" LCDs way cheaper than $400.

http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/Pres...essRelease.asp?seq=20050104_0000089670

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000270025865/

Actually there is already a 21 inch OLED tv prototype build already, so it might be available with in 1 year or 2. The prototype has a resolution of 720p, contrast ratio of 5000:1 and iz said to have 20x the response time of an LCD and it's thinner than LCDs too, and it doesn't suffer the "Burn-in" like plasma does and no "pixelization effect" and the viewing angle is the same as plasma too (they're not projections). Only thing bad about them is that I think they require extreme high voltage to run so it can be dangerous when touching them... they still are the future for gaming/HDTV, I've read it on a magazine the other day in Target store.

 

[gtx4u]

oh wait that makes 2 prototype !!! http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000980044037/

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: gtx4u
How do u mean by decent? with a response time of lower than 6ms? and good contrast ratio? Don't forget human eyes can see above 6000:1 contrast ratio or higher, And at least 19 inch? Show me link.

I've seen the difference between LCD and CRT and all I can say is CRT is better for gaming/movies in terms of price/performance ratio, but only cons is that it cosumes bit more power and it's heavy, but hey what are friends's hands for, unless u don't have any friends....

I'd consider decent in LCD terms ~12ms. (at lowest point of response), and 500:1 contrast ratio.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116366

Problem is contrast ratio means little. Black level could be 5 cd/m² and white 2500 cd/m² and contrast ratio is 500:1. Similarly, black level could be 50 cd/m² and white 25000 cd/m².

No 17/19" LCDs exist that can keep up at a 6ms. response time (at ANY level within 0-255). And they won't for a while until this LCD the OP is talking about materializes.

Those are far from the only cons. CRTs cannot have perfect geometry or convergence. They also must flicker (refresh) at a certain rate.

 

[gtx4u]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: gtx4u
How do u mean by decent? with a response time of lower than 6ms? and good contrast ratio? Don't forget human eyes can see above 6000:1 contrast ratio or higher, And at least 19 inch? Show me link.

I've seen the difference between LCD and CRT and all I can say is CRT is better for gaming/movies in terms of price/performance ratio, but only cons is that it cosumes bit more power and it's heavy, but hey what are friends's hands for, unless u don't have any friends....

I'd consider decent in LCD terms ~12ms. (at lowest point of response), and 500:1 contrast ratio.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116366

Problem is contrast ratio means little. Black level could be 5 cd/m² and white 2500 cd/m² and contrast ratio is 500:1. Similarly, black level could be 50 cd/m² and white 25000 cd/m².

No 17/19" LCDs exist that can keep up at a 6ms. response time (at ANY level within 0-255). And they won't for a while until this LCD the OP is talking about materializes.

Those are far from the only cons. CRTs cannot have perfect geometry or convergence. They also must flicker (refresh) at a certain rate.

My G500 is pretty good at geometry and convergence, and if something does go wrong there is always the GEOMERY and CONVERGENCE buttons for me to change it, and my CRT running at 80Hz on all games and movies, never flickers... it only flickers when you put a fan next to the moniter to disrupt the Tube's signals, which is something most ignorant idiots don't realize and complains.