Samsung plans to rival TSMC in foundry, says report

[Keysplayr]

Man IDC you busy little beaver this weak . Thanks much for helping prove that what I said last weel was in fact trueth that this week would be interesting .

If you mentioned last week that this week held interesting information about Samsung, then props to you.

On another front AMD s shills are being exposed and more yet to come .

Now this would be interesting. If you have decent info, I know I'd like to hear about it.
New FTC rulings might be forcing this to happen, though I haven't kept up with it.

OT: What fabbing capacity does Samsung have to allocate to producing semis for Nvidia/AMD/others? Samsung is one of the biggest companies on Earth, so it would not surprise me if they moved in on yet another market segment for some profit.

 

[Minas]

OT: What fabbing capacity does Samsung have to allocate to producing semis for Nvidia/AMD/others? Samsung is one of the biggest companies on Earth, so it would not surprise me if they moved in on yet another market segment for some profit.

Aren't Nvidia/AMD/others almost exclusively on process nodes that Samsung can't yet offer? (I guess that depends on 'others')
They have had a 40nm fab since this spring, but that's presumably full with DRAM production, and - correct me if i'm wrong - DRAM processes are significantly different to processes for gpu/cpu wafers?

 

[Idontcare]

What's going to be the finish line for Si? 10nm?

5nm is the latest value kicked around.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=297556

And its called a "merchant" foundry, not foundry production. FYI..

While merchant foundry is the technical phrase to describe semiconductor foundries they are basically never referred to as mechant foundries within the industry and that is reflected in the vernacular of the trade journals (which you are quoting).

It is like the term "fabs"...technically they are wafer fabrication plants, but no one in the industry talks like that, we all just call them fabs. Same with foundries.

OT: What fabbing capacity does Samsung have to allocate to producing semis for Nvidia/AMD/others? Samsung is one of the biggest companies on Earth, so it would not surprise me if they moved in on yet another market segment for some profit.

Samsung has an entire 300mm fab dedicated solely to supporting foundry capacity/production.

Aren't Nvidia/AMD/others almost exclusively on process nodes that Samsung can't yet offer? (I guess that depends on 'others')
They have had a 40nm fab since this spring, but that's presumably full with DRAM production, and - correct me if i'm wrong - DRAM processes are significantly different to processes for gpu/cpu wafers?

Yeah dram nodes and logic nodes aren't even remotely comparable in terms of the actual components and process tech they entail. Same is true for NAND vs DRAM...Intel's 34nm NAND flash node could not be used to make DRAM for example.

 

[Janooo]

5nm is the latest value kicked around.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=297556


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Thanks...
Sub 5nm it is. I hope the guy is right.

 

[jvroig]

5nm is the latest value kicked around.

And what does that mean? What exactly is measured when you say 5nm? A single transistor is 5nm in size? This confuses me because you keep insisting the labels are arbitrary, yet people in the industry seem to have a clear idea when someone mentions a specific size, such as "this tech will end in sub 5nm".

 

[yh125d]

And what does that mean? What exactly is measured when you say 5nm? A single transistor is 5nm in size? This confuses me because you keep insisting the labels are arbitrary, yet people in the industry seem to have a clear idea when someone mentions a specific size, such as "this tech will end in sub 5nm".

5870 has 2,150,000,000 xtors @ "40nm" in a die area of 334 mm^2. conversion of MM to nm^2 and it has ~155 nm^2 per xtor, which (if they are square) would be roughly 12.5nm L by 12.5nm W


I think?

 

[Idontcare]

And what does that mean? What exactly is measured when you say 5nm? A single transistor is 5nm in size? This confuses me because you keep insisting the labels are arbitrary, yet people in the industry seem to have a clear idea when someone mentions a specific size, such as "this tech will end in sub 5nm".

They have a clear idea of what is conveyed when the label is stated.

Nothing specific will have a physical measurement of 5nm in a 5nm node, sure some things will be 5nm by coincidence but not because the node label is 5nm. But 5nm will come after 8nm, and presumably bring with it roughly a 60-65% areal reduction and a 30-40% FOM improvement.

 

[Janooo]

5870 has 2,150,000,000 xtors @ "40nm" in a die area of 334 mm^2. conversion of MM to nm^2 and it has ~155 nm^2 per xtor, which (if they are square) would be roughly 12.5nm L by 12.5nm W


I think?

Hm...
334/2.15bil = 1.5535e-7
sqrt(1.5535e-7) = 3.94e-4

 

[yh125d]

Hm...
334/2.15bil = 1.5535e-7
sqrt(1.5535e-7) = 3.94e-4

convert mm^2 to nm^2

 

[Nemesis 1]

Keys of all the news this week . I found the Sansung news the least mportant and The gate first tech second most important. The big news to me was . Intels 32nm brealthrew hugh hugh / News. The gate first thing may very well cause hugh delays for any foundry thats goes that direction . I don't thing AMD/GF started gate last research early enough and this could cause problems for AMD closing node advantage by intel infact look for it to extend out to 1 1/2 years .

As for AMD shills . LOL . I called your good buddy out as being a NV shill long befor we new of AEG. FACT! AS I said all will be exposed no lie shall remain covered no deception will go on wothout being exposed. Its that time and its running out for all of you . Choices can be easy or hard . Most people will go with what they been taught . That is sad . and it hurts. But it will not change what must occur nothing will stop trueth from winning the day . Ya want to nknow about AMD shills . You look and find them its actually very easy . The exception would be a very clever shill . King of shills. But he to will come forward but never cornered.

 

[yh125d]

AS I said all will be exposed no lie shall remain covered no deception will go on wothout being exposed. Its that time and its running out for all of you . Choices can be easy or hard . Most people will go with what they been taught . That is sad . and it hurts. But it will not change what must occur nothing will stop trueth from winning the day . Ya want to nknow about AMD shills . You look and find them its actually very easy . The exception would be a very clever shill . King of shills. But he to will come forward but never cornered.

What are you talking about? Is there anything specific you're referring to that will come out? As vague as your post is, any deceitful from AMD could be construed to make your post seem accurate

 

[Cattykit]

really? So what about all those revolving relationships between congressmen, lobbyists, and CEO's within the military industrial complex in the US? $10 billions in cash went missing in Iraq (back when W was still around) and nobody could account for. I wonder if that $10 billions was watched by Cheney with both eyes closed while the money slip in Haliburton's pocket? What about all the pork projects and government contracts hand out without much bids?

Within the last 6-8 years, when a lot of accounting scandals hit the big Wall Street accounting firms... plus recently with the financial crisi hitting pretty much every major financial institution... partly due to greed, partly because the Feds were their accomplice... which culminated in an aggregate repression of the US economy... exactly how many CEO's got lifetime? or wait, a lot of them got huge BONUSES for voluntarily stepping down... stepping down from a big mess they created (with their buddies).

Taxpayers to the rescue of course.

When it comes to high money and corporate corruptions (or lobbying as they like to call it in the US), the USA is no better off than Japan, Korea, or even China. Fact is "the same thing" has happened in the USA and will continue to happen.

I wasn't saying U.S system is the one that is filled with 100% of justice. My point was that, based on evidences gathered toward owner of Samsung, he'd been prosecuted accordingly. And if such event tooks place in U.S, he'd been sentenced for life for he tried to 'own' govt. system.

 

[grimpr]

Nemesis will come down to the evil doings of the father of lies, Advanced Micro Devices.

Reading too much Bible is not good for your mental health.

FTC probe: Intel caught with hand in cookie jar

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/12/7/ftc-probe---intel-caught-with-hand-in-cookie-jar.aspx

 

[Nemesis 1]

1) In referance to AMD I was only talking of their shills being exposed. And gate first nothing More.

2) Intels hand in cookie jar. LOL . I like Intel products same as I do ATI products nothing more nothing Less .
AS far as the company . I would love to see them broken up . Design house and fabs and investment house . Oh ya break intel Up I all for that. I still buy there CPUs LOL.

3) Bible . LOL The new testment is composed mainly of PAUL the ROMAN . PAUL the GAY . PAUL the LIER. You know me not.

4. samsung . I wish them the best of luck NOT!

 

[Keysplayr]

Keys of all the news this week . I found the Sansung news the least mportant and The gate first tech second most important. The big news to me was . Intels 32nm brealthrew hugh hugh / News. The gate first thing may very well cause hugh delays for any foundry thats goes that direction . I don't thing AMD/GF started gate last research early enough and this could cause problems for AMD closing node advantage by intel infact look for it to extend out to 1 1/2 years .

As for AMD shills . LOL . I called your good buddy out as being a NV shill long befor we new of AEG. FACT! AS I said all will be exposed no lie shall remain covered no deception will go on wothout being exposed. Its that time and its running out for all of you . Choices can be easy or hard . Most people will go with what they been taught . That is sad . and it hurts. But it will not change what must occur nothing will stop trueth from winning the day . Ya want to nknow about AMD shills . You look and find them its actually very easy . The exception would be a very clever shill . King of shills. But he to will come forward but never cornered.

So it's like I thought. You have no idea. There is an advantage to being consistently vague. Nobody can come back later and say with any certainty that you were wrong or right. You're always in that gray area. A safe place to be.

 

[T2k]

So it's like I thought. You have no idea. There is an advantage to being consistently vague. Nobody can come back later and say with any certainty that you were wrong or right. You're always in that gray area. A safe place to be.

Well said.
OTOH if someone simply asserts things and clearly labels it as opinion that's reasonable.

 

[Nemesis 1]

You guys aren't playing fair at all.

On the AMD shill thing . You have to do your own research here. I won't name names . I am sorry I ever Implied Rollo was working for NV and thats a fact, I like Rollo alot.
He was much fun to debate and he beat me up pretty good when he had most you guys supporting him befor you new AEG. Thats a fact that should be on record here .

Another thing Is AMD/IBM gate first. Again Its all here . Me and IDC had a good discussion on that back when . I said I believe IBMs/AMDs HighK metal gates should be better . IF they can do what Intel couldn't do . That Aneealin process raises hell with the metal gates big time . In that thread IDC and myself supplied links good links .

SO what we have recently learned fits into that perfectly . So thats the fairness thing I referred to . Intels gate last adds 1 more process to the process which = higher cost to Intel chip . SO IBMs method would be better if it works. AMD was working with GATE first. Now with recent news it sounds as if Intel went the smart road and both AMD /IBM lost time to intel . by working on gate first. Thats a given . Easily seen by any reasonable person .

The Other thing Intels present 32nm. I did not know what IDC linked to this week . There is no wild assumptions here or trickery in being obscure here. I have a 32nm intel chip and its great . Beyond what I exspected.

Keys it looks like your tring to step on my toes here . In that other thread with the monitor . You suggested I was derailing . I find that BS. The Child was involved in that . The child did have a spray bottle around electronics. Thats what I focused on. Not the easy to replace monitor I was infact within the confinds of the OPs statement I just choose to adderess the more important issue . and I pray the OP has wisdom to comprhend that. I was trying to help him in away no others were . To me THAT WAS GOOD! But research your own forum here . You will find I am not being obscure at all . FACT!

As for samsung I wish NO none american company any luck in the FAB business . I hate a service economy won't belong and well be a third world country if that continues.

You may question my ethics but at least dig down to the core of the problem befor attacking. PLEASE!

I am already having a hard time posting here because of problems that no one is complaining about it must be just me . So I am on remote with MSN to resolve that problem .